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#256916
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Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
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Why does it always come back on us (the fans) with you Randy? Lucas obviously hasn't finished the movies the way he wanted to, otherwise there wouldn't have been more changes in the 2004 DVDs and possibly more in the 30th anniversary set. For the record, Lucas didn't release the OOT in the 04 set. He didn't even release the 97 SE in that set (the main reason I didn't buy it). All anyone asks is that the movie he created be treated with the same respect that any other movie of cultural significance be treated. Despite what you might believe, he is not treating the movie that was released in 1977 with that respect. He's treating it like a piece of artwork that will never reach completion. He changes a few things here and there with each release in order to get us to keep buying it. Some of us are done and aren't going to buy it anymore. He will never be completely satisfied with it as evidenced by the things he changes and then changes back.

Lucas didn't listen to a thing by releasing the GOUT as a bonus disc. What he did do was get a whole bunch of people to go out and buy the 04 DVDs again in order to get the movie they really wanted in poor quality. If he were really listening to this "outcry" he'd release the OOT (I personally don't care if it says EP IV ANH in the crawl or not, but that can easily be fixed with seemless branching), remastered, on DVD. He hasn't done this and I don't think he ever will. For that, I, and many others, say enough. No more money for you George, at least not for DVDs or conventions. Sure, I'll still buy the occasional figure that I think looks really cool, but I don't go out of my way for it anymore. Most times, I don't even pick up anything that's prequel related.

Everyone should feel sick to their stomach that GL isn't treating his creation with the same respect that a lot of fan groups are. The kicker is that he'll continue to treat SW this way until all the fans stop giving him money (yes, I know, I'm guilty as well, but I don't put toy sales in the same boat as DVD sales). Once the money stops rolling in, he'll either finally do what we've all been asking him to do (and probably make billions in the process) or he'll move on.
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#256393
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Kill Bill - The Whole Bloody Affair - QtheGaijin Fan Edit (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/256393/action/topic#256393
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Originally posted by: kaine23
Originally posted by: Cassius76


nero suppoprts Dual Layer now. Just Burn the disc as normal using the "nero burning Rom "feature......

Since when? Also even if Nero supports DL burning I'd still need a DL burner correct? I'm wondering if there's a way to split it to fit on a SL disc, and still retain the quality. I'm not too savvy on how to do alot of this or sure what to do.


Since version 7 at least, maybe even 6 (I only have 7 installed). You can find DL discs and burners just about anywhere. NewEgg has them on sale all the time and you can find them at pretty much any Best Buy, Fry's, MicroCenter, etc. Essentially, any computer store has them. There are also tutorials online on how to split a DL disc onto two SL discs. Search around with Google and check videohelp.com.
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#256293
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Anyone see ER last week (11-02-06)? RE: Padme's death
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/256293/action/topic#256293
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Broken Heart Syndrome

It's real, but it's also (at least recently) easy enough to keep people from dying of it. The symptoms also mimic that of a massive heart attack, so what happened with Padme isn't exactly the same thing.

She could've easily died during child birth or from her injuries from Anakin, but no, GL had to make her "lose the will to live". So, a woman that's been a strong Queen, fought in wars, and represented her people as a Senator, doesn't have the will to live to 1) attempt to bring her husband back to the light side and 2) take care of the children she just bore. I don't think so.
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#255497
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Official Star Wars newsletter from 1978
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255497/action/topic#255497
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How was ESB a disaster? I know it went over budget, but didn't it also make more money than ANH? I'm sure there was the stress of making a successfull sequel, but other than that, how could any of it be considered a disaster? It was a successful sequel and it guaranteed him the ability to make another movie. If anything, I'd say that ANH was a bigger disaster. He had to redo all the FX shots when he got back from England, fire his entire FX team, and do all kinds of things with almost no time left before the release. But again, it made a ton of money, so in the grand scheme of things, even it wasn't a disaster.
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#255327
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Official Star Wars newsletter from 1978
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255327/action/topic#255327
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In every other interview I read in magazines or saw on TV. Each and every time he said he had the whole thing planned out. Everytime he said "I had this huge story and decided to take the middle portion and make it into the first trilogy and I put the first part on the shelf and figured I'd go back to that later". Sometimes he calls the middle story the second half and the prequels are the first half. That's usually what leads people to believe that there's a third trilogy sitting on a shelf in his office. I personally took it to mean he wrote the whole thing down and that as one story, it was just to big. If that's not what he meant, he shouldn't say that. Something great speakers will tell you is that if your audience misunderstands you, the problem isn't with the audience, the problem is with you as the speaker. Either you didn't say what you meant, or you said it in such a way that they thought you meant something else. It is up to you as the speaker to clearly convey your meaning to the audience. It is not up to the audience to "figure out" what you meant.

That is something you have no shortage of Go-Mer. You're constantly telling us "I don't think he meant it that way". If that's the case, he needs to tell us what he meant and not keep telling us something else.

I think a lot of this comes from the old video "From Star Wars to Jedi", but I'm not entirely sure about that. Some others around here with better memories than mine could probably tell you exactly what places he said it. I don't have the time or inclination to search the web or look through my old videos to find the exact quote, but I know I've heard it.

He also completely contradicts one of his own story elements in the prequel commentaries. In the commentary of AOTC, he clearly says "the dark side is stronger...at least in the short term". Yes, I could hear it coming as I watched the movies. Yes, it disturbs me that he said it. It almost invalidates what Yoda tells Luke in ESB "Is the dark side stronger?" "No, quicker, easier, more seductive". Thanks George. The lively debates I had with friends about which side was stronger came to an end at that point. There's no point trying to have a debate like that based on what Yoda says when you have the creator telling you otherwise. Again I say thanks George. This is minor, but it really pissed me off when I heard it. But this is way OT.

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#255320
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Official Star Wars newsletter from 1978
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255320/action/topic#255320
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I don't think he's denying coming up with the story treatments, he's just denying ever coming up with a storyline that would follow the story's resolution in ROTJ.

Which is exactly what I said Go-Mer. If he had not been getting tired of SW by that point, he probably would have thought the script out a little more and not had Luke confronting both the Emperor and Vader (it probably would have been Vader alone or perhaps the Emperor escapes somehow). Then he could have continued the story beyond ROTJ into 3 more movies. A story that would have probably revolved around Luke searching for new Jedi candidates, rebuilding the order, and finishing off whatever was left of the Empire. Ya know, essentially what the EU books have done poorly.

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
When he says all he had for the prequels was a rough outline, that's really all he had for the prequels.


When did he say this? Everything I've ever read said he had the entire backstory laid out. Now, I believe all he had were rough outlines based on what I've seen in the movies, but Lucas has always said that he had the whole story laid out.

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I think the truth is as we all agree, and I think Lucas would agree with that assessment as well.


I think Lucas would change his mind and say whatever's necessary to maintain what he believes to be true at any given moment, despite what he may have said in the past that completely contradicts it. You see, people aren't mad at him for changing his mind. We're mad at him for changing it and talking about it like it's always the way it was.
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#255307
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Official Star Wars newsletter from 1978
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255307/action/topic#255307
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Originally posted by: lordjedi
If we all just keep posting Lucas quotes, we can probably get Go-mer to leave. That's really all we have to do to point out that there was never any "grand plan" to begin with, despite what Lucas and Go-mer say today. I don't think there was a "grand plan", and Lucas said all he had was a small outline.


Actually, according to the quote, he said he had story treatments, not a "small outline". Maybe it wasn't a "grand plan", but then maybe he shouldn't go around saying "it was always meant to be that way". Things change, people change, just admit he wanted to change it and be done.

There's another guy that changed some things in one of his movies and said it was always suppose to be a kids movie and not contain anything to violent (something like that). He released the changed version along with the original (and the original wasn't considered "bonus material"). What was that guys name? Having trouble recalling it. Oh yes, Steven Spielberg. And the movie was ET

Originally posted by: Mr Bungle
In the forward to the Splinter of the Minds Eye book George is quoted in editions of the book as saying "That his story was too big to fit into one movie, and that he broke it up into three parts, The Original Trilogy, the further adventures, and the back story making a total of nine films"

I can well believe that there was more than 6 films planned back then, I just think he changed his mind, ran out of story or got fed up with SW at that point....


I think this pretty much nails it. I think there could easily have been 3 more movies after ROTJ, but he probably got tired of continuing the story. Luke and Leia could've not been siblings. Luke could easily have trained a new generation of Jedi over the course of 3 movies, which might've been necessary if he'd decided to leave the Emperor out of ROTJ and put him in IX.

GL himself pretty much said before ROTS came out that he was done with SW. He said something to the effect of being done and wanting to move on. He's done with doing these big budget films that everyone wants to see. He wants to go back to doing small, independent titles that do well enough but wouldn't necessarily be called blockbusters. Of course, now he wants to switch over and do TV, which I personally think is going to be even more difficult for him unless it's the currently planned SW tv shows.
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#254740
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Opinion Poll on Go-Mer-Tonic
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254740/action/topic#254740
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
That 1999 statement is prefaced with:
The long-standing perception has been that the complete Star Wars saga is a 9 film cycle, and after Episodes I through III were finished Lucas would move on to Episodes VII, VIII, and IX, resuming where Return of the Jedi had left off. "That's really not part of the plan AT THIS POINT, " he says. "When you see it six parts, you'll understand. It really ends at part six."
When he says he never came up with seuqels for the 6 movies as they are now, he's talking about the fact that the story always ended with the Sith being vanquished. Originally, he was planning that resolution to take place in Episode 9, but he decided to cap it all with Episode 6.

In 1999 He's talking about sequels to the story he has now, which ends at episode 6.

Back then, he was talking about that same story taking 9 films.


And yet today he always says it was planned as 6 films. In 1979 he said it was planned as 9 films. That's what we call revisionist history.
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#254730
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Opinion Poll on Go-Mer-Tonic
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254730/action/topic#254730
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Go-mer, you're an idiot.

You posted a quote from 1979 in which GL clearly says that there are 9 films and that he has story treatments on all 9. Twenty years later he changes his mind and says that he never had a story for the sequels. So which is it? In '79 he said he did (it's in your quote), but in '99 he said he didn't.

The proof is in your own post. I think I'll just start quoting you from now on.
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#254255
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STAR WARS CELEBRATION IV in Los Angeles - May 24-28 2007
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254255/action/topic#254255
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No, you read it totally wrong. The convention runs from Friday through Monday for the general public (4 days). Members of the FC get in one day early, Thursday. The $110 is also the early registration price. The at the door price will be $125 and you probably won't be let in Thursday.

Think of that Thursday as the equivalent to Comic-Con's Wednesday preview night. You only get in that night if you've preregistered a 4 day badge. This is the same concept. The difference is that CIV is running Friday through Monday (Memorial day) with the 5th day being Thursday.
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#254196
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Star Wars most inconsistent plot point, in my opinion: Star Wars Lethal Alliance game
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254196/action/topic#254196
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Well, the hierarchy usually goes something like this:

Movies
Book of movie
Radio drama (book of movie and radio drama might be swapped)
Novels, comics, etc all fall under here.

So basically, if it takes place in a movie, it overrides everything.

If I'm not mistaken, the Infinities line is an alternate "What if?" series. I know that they also changed the comics within the last year or so to include a logo that says "this stuff may or may not be canon". The comics use to actually write stories that would fit in canon. Now, I don't think they even bother.
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#254195
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McCallum on Jar Jar & Kids before TPM came out
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254195/action/topic#254195
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vote_for_palpatine
I'd like to see an accurate poll on this matter - did Star Wars fans watch the PT because they wanted to, or because they felt they had to?


I saw TPM for probably the same reasons as everyone else. A new Star Wars film after years of nothing. It was exciting to have something come back to the theaters that everyone loved so much. I was so high on that feeling of excitement that I only noticed Jar Jar a little during my first few viewings (once with friends, once with gf and some other friends, and then a bunch by myself or with other friends). I saw TPM 11 times, partially because I wanted to like it (I got more annoyed with Jar Jar at each viewing) and partially because I wanted to keep seeing it while it was in the theater. I picked up the DVD thinking I could learn to at least like Jar Jar a little. To this day I still cannot stand Jar Jar.

AOTC I saw since I figured it had to get better. I also had to see what would happen next and if it would be better than TPM. I thought it was a little better. Less Jar Jar helped quite a bit. I saw AOTC one time.

ROTS was seen purely out of obligation. I wanted to see how this crappy set of movies was going to end. I wanted to see what would make a Jedi become the greatest villain the galaxy had ever known. Instead, I saw a whiney brat get put into a black life support suit. I also saw ROTS only one time. I do enjoy ADM's edit though. ADM's edit makes for a far better movie. ROTS is the only one of the three where I sat there going "What the? why did that happen? wait, what's going on?" I did that mostly during the last half of the movie.

If I remove the Star Wars name from AOTC and ROTS, I can watch them, be entertained, and enjoy them. TPM has absolutely no entertainment value whatsoever to me. As Star Wars movies, they were pretty crappy. As regular movies, TPM was still utter garbage, but AOTC and ROTS are tolerable. Of course, I now think Ewoks are actually the most tolerable thing in a Star Wars movie

As for movies shot almost entirely in one location, Phone Booth was a pretty awesome movie (IMO). I wasn't sure how well it would work, but I loved it.