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Post: #258253
Topic: Final Consensus On 2006 OOT
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/258253/action/topic#258253
Time: 23-Nov-2006 9:43 PM

Originally posted by: zombie84
The final consensus is that while they are marginally better than most bootlegs, and practically identical to the highest quality bootlegs (ie Moth3r PAL), the absurd price, extremely high grain level, gate weave, and all the artifacts and flaws of the original Laserdisk transfer that are still inherant (ie DVNR), make it a very dodgy release that although it is pleasing to some, it is so only out of the desperation for anything better than a Laserdisk rip (which this very nearly is).

My thoughts exactly. I don't think it can be said any better than this.

Post: #258150
Topic: Final Consensus On 2006 OOT
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/258150/action/topic#258150
Time: 22-Nov-2006 7:38 PM

The EditDroid release has the original crawl (recreated, but still original). Hence, I see no need to buy something that only looks marginally better than a bootleg.

Post: #258087
Topic: Question about the Prequels
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/258087/action/topic#258087
Time: 22-Nov-2006 11:56 AM

Not to mention that some of the threads (gushers threads?) were set to private recently and made so anyone that ever visits the bashers threads is automatically denied access/banned from the gushers threads. Talk about stupid.

I found this out because I occasionally read the administration threads. It's a good laugh to check out the craziness that goes on over there. Most of the discussions about what you can and can't do are absolutely ridiculous.

Post: #258070
Topic: "Black Friday" SW DVD Sales...Wow, Did Some of You...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/258070/action/topic#258070
Time: 22-Nov-2006 9:41 AM

Originally posted by: ESHBG

Originally posted by: JediRandy
Did Lucas become CEO of Best Buy recently?

*yawn*

No, but LFL sure has a major say in what retailers can sell the discs for (not to mention how starwars.com is pimping the lower prices already).

No they don't. This is actually one case where I agree with Randy (don't get use to it Randy).

LFL gives an MSRP, but nothing beyond that. If retailers want to sell it for 1 cent, that's their prerogative. They'll likely lose money on it, but they can do that if they want to. I'm almost willing to bet they're losing some money on the 9.99 price as it is. It's probably cheaper for them to lose a buck or two at that price than it is to have to box up all the copies and send them back to LFL after 12/31 (assuming LFL does some kind of recall).

So while LFL is advertising this new lower price, they really have no say in how low the retailers decide to go.

Post: #257861
Topic: Question about the Prequels
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257861/action/topic#257861
Time: 21-Nov-2006 11:53 AM

Originally posted by: ShiftyEyes

Originally posted by: ZigFried
Is it OK for me to like the Prequels?

Not here. It's like being Jewish in Nazi Germany.

Thread Godwined. Nice going Shifty. You take a completely reasonable question (based on some of the other posters around here) and reply with the most repulsive comment ever.

On that note, I think it's perfectly acceptable to like the prequels. I personally only like parts and really dislike the majority of the PT. The difference between here and TFN is that most of the time, you're skewered alive for even asking for the OOT in a completely remastered format over there. It's all about discussing the "saga" over there and if you dissent in any way the mods seem to come down on you hard. Don't question God Lucas, he knows best. Whether what he didn't doesn't make sense without some really twisted logic or not doesn't matter. At least here you can ask questions about things that don't really make sense and have a good discussion about it. Don't try that over at TFN.

Post: #257799
Topic: The Fellowship of the Ring (again) Grading Project 2006
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257799/action/topic#257799
Time: 21-Nov-2006 1:22 AM

Originally posted by: chuck88
Are you still doing a book cut re-edit for Return of the King to go with the other book cuts?

I'm curious to know this as well. I was really looking forward to a book cut of ROTK.

Post: #257752
Topic: Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257752/action/topic#257752
Time: 20-Nov-2006 8:13 PM

Originally posted by: JediRandy

Excuse me? Sebastian Shaw was erased from ROTJ. So much for "nothing is erased".

Han also goes from a "shoot first, ask questions later" guy to a "shoot only in self defense" guy. Whether you want to believe it or not, those are two very different types of people.

Yeah, outside of his speaking scene... Shaw doesn't show up anywhere else in the movie at all.

The scene with Shaw also completely negates everything that scene stood for for 20 years. I always viewed it from a Christian standpoint of redemption. Yeah, Vader was an evil bastard. But in the end, he repented and came back to the light side and was rewarded for it. He even destroyed the root cause of the galaxies suffering in the process. With the reworking, Anakin was just "trapped" within Vader. So when Vader died, *baby voice* "the good little Anakin was able to go to Jedi heaven". Or as I see it, the whiney little brat that couldn't get his way as a teenager finally got what he wanted. If you don't want to understand that it does change the message at the end of ROTJ Randy, that's fine, just don't deny that it does change it. It's a lame change that wasn't needed and was only done to show that the PT and OT are suppose to be part of the same story.

Originally posted by: JediRandy
So Han should only shoot first? Did Eastwood ever shoot in self defense in a Leone movie? (he did) Did that take away from his character in the Dollars Trilogy?

The Han shooting first scene is bitching because you no longer think something is as cool as it once was... it didn't change his character at all... Han didn't want to "march into the detention center" and he thought attacking the DS was "suicide"... how come it's ok for him to be a pussy then but not during the Greedo scene?

You zone-in on one scene and forget everything else that happened only because is supports your arguement... the Shaw scene is a perfect example of that... "he was ERASED" from the movie! (except for the scene where he spoke) But he was ERASED I tell you!!! Luca$ is teh Suxxx!

I don't know what Clint Eastwood has to do with Han Solo. Have any of those movies been changed to change Clint's actions? My guess is probably not.

Attacking a space station which was created to destroy planets and marching into an area that will likely be filled with troops is suicide. Shooting one guy because he's pointing a gun at you and you don't want to wait and see if he's going to pull the trigger is justified self-defense. They're actually two completely different things, but thanks for trying to make them look similar.

Also, there's another problem with having Greedo shoot first. It makes him look like a tard. He's three feet away and he completely misses a stationary target. He must be a really lame bounty hunter if he can't hit Han from that distance. So not only does that scene change Han's character, but it also makes Greedo look like a total moron. He's three feet away (at most) and he misses by nearly 6 inches. Even without using the sights on his blaster, he shouldn't be that bad of a shot. He's got Han cornered and he completely blows the shot. That is the biggest problem with that scene. Before, Han was taking him out before he had a chance to fire. Now, he's flat out missing a target at point blank range.

We don't zone in on one scene or even one or two scenes. We point out every lame change whether it changes the story or not because they're lame changes. Boba Fett's new scenes in Jabba's palace change his character too. He goes from a cold hearted emotionless bounty hunter to a lady's man. Someone like him wouldn't have any attachments. Attachments create emotions. By adding the needless flirting, he now acts differently. I could probably handle a scene showing him handing a prostitute some credits for her "services", but nothing beyond that.

There are plenty of examples Randy, we've just been pointing out some of the more obvious ones. Having all stormtroopers have the same voice is another stupid change. I know, I know, they're all clones. Well, accents aren't genetic. Ask anyone that's moved to a different country and ended up adopting the accent a year or so later. You're not born speaking with an accent. You learn it just like everything else.

I could go on like this all day, but there's really no point. Everyone here already knows all this and you're probably just looking to get a rise out of us, just like Go-Mer. Well, it ain't gonna happen.

Post: #257639
Topic: Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257639/action/topic#257639
Time: 20-Nov-2006 11:56 AM

Originally posted by: JediRandy
Dude, I'll even give you the Greedo shoots first thing... and maybe the jabba scene.... it all amounts to a few minutes of new stuff... nothing is erased.... especially your memories. If you let a big nothing erase the fun these flicks gave you then you're really stretching and just wasting something that could be and was a lot of fun... it's a shame people flip out over this shit.

Stop acting like these movies are yours and maybe you'll enjoy them again.

Post: #257589
Topic: Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257589/action/topic#257589
Time: 20-Nov-2006 12:22 AM

To be honest, gate weave is a minor issue to me since I do only seem to notice it when I'm watching it up close or on the computer. My biggest beef is in fact the non-anamorphic issue.

Post: #257572
Topic: Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257572/action/topic#257572
Time: 19-Nov-2006 10:27 PM

Originally posted by: Mielr
lordjedi, I've agreed with most of what you've said so far, but I have to disagree with you here. The "image instability" Go-mer referred to is just gate weave

--snip--

Anyhow, just my 2 cents.

I snipped most of it because I've read it before and didn't feel the need to requote everything. All I can say is that I've honestly never seen gate weave to that extent on any other DVD I own. It may be there, but I've never noticed it. I also didn't have to have it pointed out to me on this release. As soon as I started up a sample, I saw it. I honestly couldn't believe my eyes. It was like someone was shaking my monitor. I don't have any other DVDs that do this.

I've also never seen this happen at a theater during any movie. I've noticed a slight shake in the beginning on some films, but never to this extent. Again, it was like someone was shaking the monitor.

If that's something that can be corrected, as zombie said it was, then again, there is no reason to release a DVD like that in 2006.

Post: #257384
Topic: Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257384/action/topic#257384
Time: 18-Nov-2006 12:44 PM

Originally posted by: vbangle

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-TonicTo me that instantly nails that feeling I had watching the originals in the theater, where it all looks so real, but has that twitch to it that your brain adjusts to, but still gives you that slight feeling like you are hallucinating or something.

God, I had a feeling you were a fucked up drugie....hallucinating...indeed. That explains alot about you....

Haha

Post: #257382
Topic: Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257382/action/topic#257382
Time: 18-Nov-2006 12:43 PM

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Set against the backdrop of growing up in an era where it just didn't get better than laserdisc, the way some people make it out like they just can't watch it because it so horribe seems a tad over the top.

I'm sure this could've been said of any era. I'm sure my dad thought it would never get any better than his 16 mm camcorder. Thank God technology moved forward and gave us far more convenient and better media.

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-TonicHow many of us were fine when we got our widescreen VHS's back in the day?

Fine? I suppose. But I wasn't fine because it was on VHS. I was fine because I could finally see the whole picture. Once I actually found out about widescreen vs pan & scan, I wanted nothing other than VHS movies in widescreen. My tv was only 13" or so at the time, but I wanted to see the whole picture. It didn't matter much on any movie beyond Star Wars, but that's what I watched most of the time. But I wasn't fine with nearly every other aspect of VHS (constant wear and tear, jumping picture when pausing, tracking, etc). Basically, everything that DVD does better, I was unhappy with VHS for.

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-TonicHow many of us were upset about the graineyness when it was out on laserdisc?

I honestly never noticed it until DVDs got released. But I tend not to notice that type of thing until I'm shown a better picture. And that's really the point. We've all seen better quality now, so watching laserdisc quality on a DVD is a real downer.

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-TonicIt's not that they got worse, it's that we became more demanding.

That's right. Which is why in 2006, LFL shouldn't be releasing a laserdisc quality movie on DVD. They took state of the art from 1993, that's 13 years ago, and stuck it on a DVD.

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-TonicFor me, wether I was watching it on Pan N Scan or on my black and white TV in my room, or even just listening to the storybook album before I had access to home video, the spirit is still there. To me these movies trancend their presentation.

In that case, you'd probably be happy if Lucas had released that really crappy cam bootleg of Star Wars 'The Starkiller DVD' officially with no improvements to image quality. It's a nice thing to have for reference, but the quality is utter crap and nearly unwatchable.

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-TonicI'm not saying anyone else is wrong for not being able to enjoy it unless it's the best it can possibly be in this day and age, I'm just saying that to me the September release seems to be a whole lot better than what we had before. Even if it isn't PAL resolution laserdisc, I still don't have to flip the disc during each movie.

It's better to you because it's more convenient. When most people look at a DVD release, they don't think to themselves "Well, this is better than the VHS because it's more convenient". They think "this is better because it's higher quality and will look good on my tv". You must be in a very small minority to consider convenience as the main factor of being better.

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-TonicLast night I popped in Star Wars on my PC and got fairly close to the monitor. I can certainly see what you guys are saying about the resolution and the jaggy lines and the graineyness. But at the same time I think the colors and general sharpness is pretty good. One thing I love the most about this release is the way you get the image instability. To me that instantly nails that feeling I had watching the originals in the theater, where it all looks so real, but has that twitch to it that your brain adjusts to, but still gives you that slight feeling like you are hallucinating or something. Like this "reality" is slightly off the tracks.

Dude, the "image instability" is the worst thing about this release. Based on what I've seen, that shake is very noticable and just nasty. I really don't want to feel like I'm hallucinating when I watch Star Wars. I want to be drawn into the movie. That shake completely drops me out of the movie it's so noticeable. Not to mention all the scratches and other things I notice.

Post: #257337
Topic: Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257337/action/topic#257337
Time: 17-Nov-2006 10:34 PM

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I just remember the day I got my laserdiscs of the O-OT, thinking that it would never get any better than that.

Now I'm hearing people say it's bad to the point of being torturous.

It just seems to me that to a certain extent, Lucas isn't the only one who is pretending the O-OT doesn't exist anymore.

It's bad because the industry has moved on. We've gone from VHS to Laserdisc to DVD. Slapping a laserdisc quality movie on a DVD doesn't make it any better.

It's bad because a lot of us have HDTVs and like to watch the movies we love in the best quality possible. Laserdisc quality is not the best possible, not by a long shot. We have better technology and better formats now. Lucas used a better medium (DVD) but he left the quality looking like crap (LD). Yes, LD was excellent and the best it could be 10+ years ago. Today, it's crap.

The industry has moved on, but Lucas hasn't.

EDIT: BTW, I choose to watch Moth3r's DVDs when I want to watch SW. I've seen the comparisons with the GOUT and other fan preservations and Moth3r's look the best to me. I use to watch Dr. Gonzo's, but Moth3r's are clearly superior.

Post: #257304
Topic: Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257304/action/topic#257304
Time: 17-Nov-2006 5:43 PM

Originally posted by: Vigo
How would you treat it, if it would be one of your very few sources of income? You forget, beyond Star Wars, Lucas hasn´t achieved much more. Yeah, Indiana Jones.... He has to pay a lot of money to keep Lucasfilm going. Star Wars are the most expensive independent films made.

I'd release two editions. A theatrical version and a special (or extended) edition. I'd release them both (maybe separate the release schedules by a year, but no more) and not only in a box set. Release each movie separately and have both versions be fully remastered. Put a ton of extras on the special editions and maybe a few on the theatricals. After that, I'd move on and create something else. What I would not do is continue tinkering with any of the movies for years, releasing a new edition on DVD every so often to cash in again. Do it once and move on.

If I had to pick examples for comparison, I'd say do it T2 collector's edition style (seamless branching) or LOTR style (theatrical and EE 6 months apart). Have each movie available separately and as part of a box set. Make the box set slightly cheaper than buying the 3 separate. That way, if someone wants all 3, they're getting a discount. But Joe Blow that only wants one movie doesn't have to get all 3 either.

And if you want to get into issues with negatives and crap, I would have ensure there were 3 backups of the movie once the restoration had been completed and none of those 3 backups would ever be allowed to be touched.

That's how I'd treat it if it were something that I'd created.

Post: #257301
Topic: Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257301/action/topic#257301
Time: 17-Nov-2006 5:32 PM

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
None of that proves Lucas is lying. He didn't have to write it on the scripts or tell Kurtz about it to have thought it.

I am not discounting what Kurtz said at all.

He says he doesn't understand why Lucas wouldn't have just kept at that shot until he got what he originally wanted. To him they could have spent all week on that. To Lucas, he says they didn't have any time or money to spare, and so he ended up living with it.

Actually, you are (discounting what Kurtz said). Kurtz isn't saying they could have spent all week on it either (though thanks for trying to tell us what he's thinking). I'm sure Kurtz, being the producer, was well aware of how much money and time they had. But here you are, telling us that Lucas is remembering it correctly and Kurtz is not. So what if Kurtz didn't know everything that was going on in Lucas' head.

The point is, Go-Mer, that you're willing to accept Lucas' word over Kurtz's simple because Lucas is giving you a story that fits with the SEs. Is it not at all possible that Lucas changed his mind 20 years later and decided he wanted it the other way? It seems much more plausible and probable that that's what happened rather than that he just couldn't get the shot.

So whether you admit it or not, you are in fact discounting what Kurtz says because it doesn't fit with what Lucas says, even though they were both there and were both very well aware of the money and time issues. If Lucas never mentioned this to Kurtz, it says even more about his inabilities as the Executive Producer/Director than anything else. It doesn't do anyone any good to have a director that won't communicate their thoughts until 20 years later.

EDIT: You're also telling us that Kurtz's memory is not as good as Lucas so he must not be remembering it properly. It's just as possible that it's the other way around. And, as others have said, it's just as possible that Lucas has convinced himself it was suppose to happen differently.

Post: #257258
Topic: Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257258/action/topic#257258
Time: 17-Nov-2006 1:11 PM

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
What sounds "delusional" to me are people who think they know more about what Lucas has thought in his own head than he does.

As far as I can tell, you're the only one around here who thinks that. You're the one always saying "I think what he means is this..." or "Lucas is probably thinking this...". No one else around here does that. The closest we come is conjecture based on what we see him do. You take it a step further and really try to tell us what you think he's thinking based on what he's saying.

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
At least in my case, I don't have to assume either Lucas or Kurtz is lying or forgetting the facts.

Your stance depends on ignoring what Lucas says about it.

And your stance depends on ignoring all the other evidence to the contrary (original movie, scripts, books, Kurtz, etc). You think you're right based on someones memory of what happened more than 20 years ago. We think we're right based on hard evidence (scripts, movies, books, etc). And actually, in your case, you do have to assume that Lucas or Kurtz has forgotten the facts. Lucas says one thing, Kurtz says another. YOU are assuming that Lucas gets it right because he can't possibly be remembering it wrong. We are assuming Kurtz got it right for all the reasons we've mentioned.

How is your stance any better than ours?

Post: #257171
Topic: Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257171/action/topic#257171
Time: 16-Nov-2006 8:26 PM

I was 8 when Jedi came out. I vaguely remember parts of the movie. I don't remember the theater we went to. All I really do remember is how cool I thought Luke was for being a Jedi. I'm 31 now (born in November).

Post: #257150
Topic: Could the 2006 DVDs become collector's items?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257150/action/topic#257150
Time: 16-Nov-2006 6:00 PM

Why buy a second copy? Just burn your first copy to a DL disc and watch that copy instead. It's only like $20 for a spindle of 10 discs and burners can be had for around $30. Sure, it ends up being about the same price as the box set, but you can use that drive to make backup copies of all your DVDs.

If you just want the movie, run it through DVD Shrink to get it down to a SL disc. Those only cost 20 or so cents a disc.

Post: #257149
Topic: Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257149/action/topic#257149
Time: 16-Nov-2006 5:53 PM

I barely trust myself to remember something I did or did not do 10 or 15 years ago, I have no reason to trust Lucas' memory of something that happened more than 20 years ago. There's a reason things get written down. It's so we have a record of how something was done or why it was done a certain way. Find one script or novel, from before 1983, that says Greedo was suppose to shoot first and I might believe you.

Until then, I think Lucas is full of it. We won't be able to convince each other otherwise. There's a lot more evidence that it was shot as intended though. The only evidence that we have to the contrary is Lucas' memory (the more time goes by, the weaker the memory gets) and some conjecture.

Post: #257109
Topic: STAR WARS: The Torrents thread
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257109/action/topic#257109
Time: 16-Nov-2006 2:26 PM

Seems pretty clear to me. All 6 cut scenes have been reinserted into the movie. I'd check it out, but I think I have enough edits of TPM to last me a lifetime. Besides, I think TPM needed more than just to have the 6 scenes reinserted

Post: #257087
Topic: STAR WARS: The Torrents thread
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257087/action/topic#257087
Time: 16-Nov-2006 11:56 AM

I believe INv8r_ZIM was referring to ADM's Clone Wars DVD that I uploaded to Demonoid a month or so ago.

Post: #257082
Topic: Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257082/action/topic#257082
Time: 16-Nov-2006 11:30 AM

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I know what the script says about Han shooting first, but I would defer to Lucas' own account of what happened, because with the way scripts are revised on the fly, it's entirely possible that Lucas felt like making Greedo shoot first after the script was written before they filmed, and it's even possible that the script was revised after the fact to reflect the plan they had after they realized their squib setups didn't go as well as they would have liked.

Yes Go-Mer, and it's entirely possible that the Sun could blow up before I finish this post. It isn't likely, but it's possible. Lucas has said so many different things over the years that people really don't know what to believe, so they defer to what's written on paper and can't be changed. How does the novel describe the shootout? Anyone have a first printing they can compare against? We've got Lucas saying one thing, the script saying another, and Gary Kurtz agreeing with the script. Does that make Mr. Kurtz the liar? I'm inclined to believe the script and Mr. Kurtz since there wasn't really any mention of it being different anywhere until the 97 SEs came out. You'd think that with the plethora of making of books that were released between the time the movie came out and the 97 SEs, somewhere along the line they would have mentioned that it was originally supposed to go one way, but due to time and money constraints, they were forced to do it the other way. Why wait until the 04 DVD release to say something about it (I'm assuming that's where you heard it Go-Mer)? Unless of course Lucas is again trying to rewrite history and claim that it was suppose to be done this way originally. It just took him a few years to develop the proper story that fans would believe.

I feel sorry for you Go-Mer. I have a good friend that's the same way. When the 04 DVDs came out with the messed up sound, he bought right into the LFL line of "it's a creative decision". I asked him "then why are R2 discs different". He had no answer other than "it's a deliberate creative decision". Oh well.

Post: #257080
Topic: Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257080/action/topic#257080
Time: 16-Nov-2006 11:18 AM

Originally posted by: see you auntie
I’m no LOTR fan. I saw them all once in the cinema and enjoyed them all for the most part, but if I was a fan the multitude of dvd releases would be very annoying. At least I’d be able to pick and choose what I want and buy them, but at the end of the day I could distinguish Peter Jackson from the studio and I wouldn’t be annoyed at Peter Jackson for constant releasing of the dvd’s. It’s not really his decision. The studio that owns the rights are the ones putting out the dvds, they know what their fan base is and how much they can milk them for it. Why is Lucasfilm doing the same thing, when Lucasfilm was established initially to be different from the studio model?

Actually, it was PJ's decision. The theatrical versions are the movies he wanted to make. The EEs are the versions the fans wanted and he created them specifically for that group. Even during the ROTK commentary he says that if he could make all 3 over again and release them all at the same time, he'd do things differently since there would be no gaps between seeing the movies. The only release that might not have been PJ's idea is the latest box set.

You're also missing something crucial about the LOTR DVDs. Each version that has been released has had new material. Now, aside from the latest release, the initial releases were totally different and meant to please both kinds of fans. First they released the theatrical versions with commentaries and other extras. Then they released the Extended Editions. Call them Special Editions if you like

Those had even more commentaries and making ofs and had new scenes added back into the movie. Some stuff was completely reedited so that the reinserted scenes would make more sense as well. I bought both because I wanted to be able to watch either one at any time (though I mostly watch the EEs). It wasn't about milking the fans. When the theatrical version came out, you couldn't go to any website dedicated to LOTR without finding out about both. They clearly stated to everyone that they were releasing the theatrical version and then the EEs later (I think 6 months later). Everyone knew this and accepted it. Some waited, some didn't.

I don't know much about the latest release they've done. All I do know is that it's a boxed set with all 3 movies and some new material. They put the theatrical and EE versions on the same disc and then added some new material. For most LOTR fans, it's probably not worth picking up. For someone who doesn't have either version yet, it's probably worthwhile since they'll get both of each movie in one box.

So you see, Lucas could follow the footsteps of Peter Jackson and release the OOT in remastered DVD quality alongside the 04 DVD. Some fans would buy both, some fans would only by the OOT. Assuming he only released two versions and not a new version each year as his mind changed, I think every fan would be perfectly happy with that.

Post: #257014
Topic: Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257014/action/topic#257014
Time: 15-Nov-2006 8:18 PM

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
According to Lucas, he had time and money to do 3 squib setups for that shot. Each one went off with bad timing. He said in one shot Greedo shot way before Han, in another Han shot way before greedo, and in the one they used, they both went off at about the same time, but you couldn't really tell that. He didn't have time or money to do more setups, so he decided to live with that and try to make it clear through the dialogue that "the idea" was to kill Han.

I was not aware of that. However, I still don't think the scene should have been changed (twice I believe, 97 and 04) and the dialogue seems to work perfectly.

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Didn't Tolkein rewrite his works for future editions? Did he also re-publish his previous works along side his new editions each time?

My understanding is that Tolkien continually changed Lord of the Rings until it was published and then made no further edits. He made one change to either the Hobbit or the Lord of the Rings (can't remember which) which changed the riddle to match in both stories. Other than that one change, which didn't really change anything about any of the characters anyway, nothing else was ever changed. He did not go back and continually re-edit and re-publish the stories once they were released.

The difference between the two is that Lucas doesn't ever seem to be happy with the changes he's made. Luke's scream in ESB is a perfect example. First it's not there, then it is, then it's gone again. Han/Greedo is another example. I'm sure there are more. If Lucas would make up his mind and release his real "definitive vision" version, along with the OOT, there probably wouldn't be any fan outrage.

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Are you asking why he would release still yet "unfinished" versions in 2004? In that case the reason according to him is that his advisors were telling him that if he waited until he was "ready" there might not be a DVD market to release to anyway. I think that, combined with the daily request from fans to at least release what he has even if it isn't "finished" caused him to reconsider waiting until he was done.

Ah yes, his "advisors" told him there might not be a DVD market to release to. Of course, he uses that to pull the "piracy" trump card. I think what his advisors really meant was that HD was coming but with a format war. Either release on DVD now or wait a few more years for the format war to die down. Honestly, nothing pissed me off more when I read the interview where he said he decided to release it on DVD due to "piracy". Bootleg DVDs were being sold on eBay for years before this and he expects fans to believe that he's suddenly doing it because of that? If that were really the case, I would've expected to see official DVDs released right after TPM came out or even sooner. The DVD market isn't going away anytime soon and I'm sure Lucas' "advisors" know that. They wanted SW on DVD so they could rerelease it again in HD once the format war is over.

I know he backed Divx for the longest time, as did Spielberg, but once the format was dead, he should've just gone ahead with a DVD release.

Post: #256965
Topic: Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/256965/action/topic#256965
Time: 15-Nov-2006 4:42 PM

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Well I think there is a bit of a misunderstanding here. I don't think he is really trying to claim that he had the whole vision for the SW saga from the very beginning. I think he means to say that most of the things he did to change the classic trilogy were the result of things he couldn't originally do exactly the way he had hoped he could do it. Also each release has represented his "definative" vision "at the time" I think there was part of him that thought that he might only go so far with it, but then as he went he decided to go even further.

So what you're saying is that the day they shot the Han/Greedo shooting scene, there was no way they could make Greedo shoot first? Despite all the westerns that came out before Star Wars, it just wasn't possible to have a shoot out like that in a Sci-Fi movie? Well, I'm so glad we have computers now so we can make two people have a fast paced shoot out. Where would we be without those computers?

I suppose there was also no way to shoot that same scene multiple times in order to get different takes so they could decide which one to use in post? Man, again I say thank goodness for those computers.

Stop drinking the kool-aid for a moment and think about what you're saying.