Ochi can’t use the force, he kills people with daggers, and flies around in lackluster ships. The only need for him in the edit is Rey’s hunt for the McGuffin I mean wayfinder.
In any newly crafted scenario having the parent’s crashed ship show up later as repaired will feel off and require some very silly acrobatic explanations.
Having them be different ships is more realistic it’s a model WTK-85A interstellar transport after all. Plus the square front end/sides ship in Rey’s TFA vision does not match the round front end/sides of Ochi’s ship in TROS. So it’s really not a hard sell it’s a different ship. You just cut the dialogue where Rey says she has seen the ship before.
Well idir_hh had a great idea about Rey having killed her parents. If this is done along the lines of her parents being scumbags who abandoned her then this would fit nicely with Rey Nobody. She killed her crappy parents, blocked the memory, and waited for them to return.
Or Ochi’s ship is just a standard model ship, nothing special. Like an X-wing. Lots of people piloted them not just Luke Skywalker.
We should pick a Kylo mask scene and do a proof of concept that a realistic new VO can be achieved which sounds perfect and not fan-edity at all. If it sounds off in any way then I’m not interested.
It might be hard to shape the right dialogue (you should look into those voice emulator AI programs, I know there are open source versions of it, or find a good Adam Driver impressionist maybe)…
I can do the audio engineering into 5.1 surround as well as the impression and voice using proximity effect into the mic. Cranking up the distortion just slightly can help mask the fact it’s not the same voice actor. No matter who does the Kylo “impression” or how well they do it, it will sound a bit different and the sound engineering will be at best slightly different. Which is why any one scene with any changed Kylo dialogue will likely have to be completely re-VO’d even with dialogue which stays the same. Punching in/out between different actors/sound techs will be too noticeable.
All we really need is a quick flash of young Rey screaming - ochi’s ship leaving followed by bolts of lightning - fade to black and explosion sound.
Awesome! I love it. This is the twist TROS needed. And completely doable with the material we have.
It seems doable (for someone who is not me, anyway) to replaces the Snokes in a jar with Palpatines. It would essentially just be a still image mapped over and tracked for the shot.
The most dramatic, effective and realistic image would be multiple clones that clearly look like Palpatine but are younger.
Is anyone able to collaborate on Adobe Premiere using online collaboration?
I would handle it that Ray was so upset with them leaving/wanting them to come back she force crashes the ship. This could be accomplished with a fade to black or another scene with the right sound effect of a crashing ship.
Rey’s natural inclination towards the darkside and its Ramifications on her character and the plot need to be adressed. I always thought it would be interesting if we found out that she killed her parents the same way she “killed” chewie, maybe she was born with the darkside and her parents hated her for it, they decide to sell her to unkarr and leave the planet but in her rage she force electrocutes the ship, when she becomes so traumatised that she locks those memories away, in TROS we see her true nature unravel as the film progresses until we reach the climax where she must make the ultimate choice.
That’s a good idea too. Rey killed her parents. We see Rey’s visions of her friends dying. First Kylo tells her he buried her parents bodies on Jakku. She interprets this as he murdered them. He later reveals she’s the one who killed her parents. We then see Rey’s future visions again of her friends dying but this time see her as a Sith. In other words she will be responsible for their deaths.
Krausfadr, regarding your idea:
So basically, Snoke/Palpatine senses her future as a potential threat, and ordered to have her killed. Kylo went to complete this task, found the parents and they gave her up immediately. Kylo, I’m assuming, sympathized with her abandonment, so he killed her parents and left her on Jakku. Is that correct?
Yes and Kylo also felt a connection with her beyond just her abandonment. Or the order could also have been to bring Rey before Snoke/Palpatine as she was a possible better apprentice than Kylo.
Also Kylo would advise Rey that her parents sold her out and told him where she was. When he found her he decided not to kill her.
Kylo tells her they (her parents) were garbage so he got rid of them because he wants the dark side of her personality to be grateful to him. Also if she gets angry with the Emperor over it she will be motivated to help him get rid of Palpatine.
Yeah one thing I would like to add is helmeted Kylo saying (prior to his admission): “Everything I’ve ever done Rey, looking back. I don’t know if it was me or Palpatine pushing me.”
Let’s play mad libs:
“You don’t just have power, Rey. You have his [funny noun]. You’re a [funnier noun].
power / Palpatine
Ewoks / Mary Sue
Clone DNA / bad experiment
stunning brown eyes / midichlorian
I find that taking out Rey palpatine leaves little to no personal stakes/conflict between the main protagonist and main antagonist since there is no personal connection.
The personal connection is Palapatine had her parents killed. She wants him dead.
I just don’t know if repeating the same story beat but being like, “actually, I lied. THIS is the real truth!” is the right direction.
The wrong direction was this: your parents sold you to protect you.
I feel having Kylo involved in the death of Rey’s parents is a natural progression into his dark character arc.
it was better characterization for the themes of the last two movies. Reys parents SHOULD NOT matter
Yep. I agree. They won’t matter in my cut.
“If I tell Rey how I brutally murdered her parents and ruined her entire life, she’ll definitely want to join me then!”
In the end Rey blames Palpatine for infecting and manipulating Kylo. Also the dark part of her hates her parents for abandoning her. Also she stabs Kylo— there’s always that.
But if you have your heart set on Rey’s dad being Palpy’s kid then my edit may not be your cup of tea.
So Rey is the daughter of Palpatine’s clone, making her more akin to his daughter rather than his granddaughter?
I’m assuming this novelization is just a desperate attempt to make sense of the movie rather than the movie being a watered-down version of the book, yes?
Palpatine should just go screw himself. And thanks to cloning technology he can.
As long as Rey Nobody is possible, I have hope that I’ll be able to enjoy a cut of this movie
It is possible and that’s what I’ll be doing in the cut TROS: Resurgence.
Dom is doing something similar in his cut as well. His proposed changes look interesting.
If I’m able to seamlessly add some Kylo dialogue then I would like to also have Kylo admit he’s the one who killed Rey’s parents.
Here’s Boolio’s new dialogue which will be in Bocce with English subtitles:
Boolio: “The First Order’s super weapon— someone gave it to them.”
(Ha Wun Orr Da olanda reapon - Koo-dopi hokokeez yolats?)
Finn: “Who?”
Boolio: “I don’t know but it only fires once.” (Donnoj. Fooma wuntimax)
Finn: “How do we thank you?”
Boolio: “Shoot the Supreme Leader. Twice please.” (Zooto meesta fazkup. Dola bleeze. )
See updated draft changes above.
The audio definitely isn’t amazing, but perhaps some wizardry could be done to make it usable?
Secrets only the Sith knew would have to be used to make that audio usable. Too bad because it’s a great line.