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Damn. I was looking at those color corrections again, Laser. Still amazed at how much of an improvement it is. Just amazing. 

HAHAHA! That was great! Nicely done as always.

Yeah its not EXACTLY the sort of edit I'd do, but there are some good ideas here that will be usable when combined with other edits from Marion and Laser.

Couple of pretty drastic cuts!!

 Here's what he had listed:

The edits thus far:
- The film begins with simple titles and the theme music. It's less traditional, but gets rid of the gopher and sets the tone bettter.
- Now the exchange goes "You recognize building, yes?" "Drop dead." then he calls for the other soldiers to hold Indy so he can punch him. Removing that first punch just speeds things up a bit.
- Some dialogue is removed from Indy and Spalko's meeting.
- We don't see the Alien. Spalko opens the box, looks inside wide eyed, and then Indy bursts into action.
- After Indy drops the gun that shoots the guy in the foot, it seems like he stands around and smiles about it before running while everyone decides not to shoot at him yet. Now, he just bolts.
- No gophers.
- No fake town. No fridge. No nuclear blast. It goes straight from Indy hiding in the desert to the FBI guys bringing him in.
- All references to the Nuke have been removed.
- Some little cuts during conversations to either speed them up or lose awkward deliveries.
- "Nice try kid but I think you just brought a knife..." DRAMATIC LONG PAUSE "...To a gun fight." Removed dramatic long pause.
- Cut the encounter with the little ninja guys.
- Cut Mutt's scorpion sequence.
- Cut Indy considering stealing the knife.
- Ah now my favorite. Marion's theme plays as she comes out of the tent. Indy doesn't shrug his shoulders like an idiot, just smiles at her. The banter ends with "Why, you lookin' for a date?!" That whole bit has been re-paced.
- It's now "For god's sake man, help!" the joke plays better and is a little bit shorter.
- I desperately tried to remove the snake, but I just couldn't make it work. Oh well.
- Cut Indy ripping his pants with the switchblade.
- There's a shot after Indy climbs on the roof of the truck where Marion just stares up and smiles like a goofball. I cut it, making the action start just a little bit faster.
- Ox doesn't randomly proclaim "Henry Jones...Jr.!" at the beginning of the chase sequence. People generally yell "Indy!" and "Jones!" a lot less.
- Lots of little cuts and trims in the jungle chase sequence. Marion doesn't coach Mutt on his fencing. No splits between the trucks. And absolutely NO MONKEYS. I would argue that the monkey sequence is one of the worst sequences ever put to film, and it's handled just as badly.
- Cut Spalko squishing an ant between her knees. Just felt sort of odd and out of place. Now we just stay with Indy's fist fight.
- The jeep in the tree thing is still there, but it's re-cut to happen a little faster, so it works a bit better.
- One waterfall. It's a re-cutting of all the waterfall sequences to make the best one.
- Mac is no longer a triple quadruple bastard agent. He's a double, and remains a good guy for the rest of the film. Now it appears that the Russians find the remains of the truck at the bottom of the waterfall and logically figure out where to go.
- The Mac dying/Spalko's brain melting stuff has been re-arranged and trimmed for better pacing.
- The Alien is still there, but he doesn't lean forward and sneer at the camera.
- There's some Temple of Doom music added to the water escape sequence.
- Indy doesn't say "Knowledge was their treasure" like 3 times.
- I removed Indy getting his job back at the college. At this point in the film, we don't really care. I just go straight to the wedding.
- I'm playing with some color correction, I'm not sure if I'm going to use it yet or not.

And that's kind of that. Now it's much better paced and the worst of the material is removed. I'm amazed at how much removing the Nuke sequence really helps everything. It removes that air of CGI aided silliness that the film starts with, so it feels more like Indiana Jones from the get-go. I think I can now watch this film without clawing my eyes out.

Now I know there are fifty bajillion people working on this, and I haven not read a single thing about what any of them are doing. I will probably post this and my other stuff I'm working on pretty soon. I want to make sure they're all perfect.

Heads up that Spence over at fanedit is just about finished with his edit. He's posting it shortly.

He's made some pretty sizable cuts and changes here that we may not all agree with, but it's great to see another take and could definitely provide ideas.

The work he's done so far has been excellent.

That's a great resource to have, but I'm sure no one here wants any trouble for you or them for that matter. Would be nice to have that hand cannon gunshot sound from the Raven Bar scene in Raiders though. :)

Marion, that music works really well there. Nice job.

Nice. Good to hear.

...Now get your ass to work on this edit dammitt! lol

OperationBedlam and Laser, I'm not "rushing" anyone. As someone who also has a busy schedule, I was just seeing if Laser's job was still working him like crazy. Try not to jump to conclusions and try not to be so sensitive. 

Besides, there are several very talented people working on edits for Indy 4 now, there's really no need to rush Laser.

Sorry if you misunderstood, but my intentions were for conversation only, not to crack the whip ...so to speak.

So, Marion, we are all anxiously awaiting to hear/see what part of the film you're going to magically improve next! Also, have you visited fanedits.org? Fella named Spence is doing an edit as well, though SOME of his choices are debatable, he does nice work also.

Also, Laser, have you been blessed with any more freetime or are they still working you like a dog?

I like the delay before the fridge door opens. It establishes that Indy is probably a bit banged up in there and provides at least a little suspense. I say leave it and I think the majority of folks around here would agree.

So, Marion, where to next in your excellent edit?

So Laser and Marion, y'all wanna join forces here and split the work load. You are both clearly very talented and knowledable.

Nah, I say if the change makes the film better AND it is a seamless edit, it should be done. There is a good movie in here and we aren't talking about an overhaul exactly, just a few nips and tucks. Might you be able to post your plans for the edit? Either the items from the list you plan on or don't plan on doing?

Btw, just watchec your cemetery edit - amazing work. MAYBE the spark could be a bit softer if that makes sense, but great great work. Keep it UP!

Cool, Marion, so what's the plan for the edit? Time frame, things that are impossible from the list, etc?

Nice job. Yes there should be more of a delay before the door opens, but this is a great start.

Also, if you've seen the list on the first page of the topic, what are your thoughts? And are you technically capable of doing these?

Great to see another person doing work on this. If there is anything we can do to help let us know. i've been trying to get a few of you smart fellas together on one ultimate edit so the work load could be split, but this is proving tough. lol.

http://www.faneditforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=5278&p=77161#p77161

Trying to get everyone together to split up the work so we can finally have a good Indy 4!

Inv8r - yeah, the Ox "Dad?" thing was my idea and you're right -- it may be more than a minor thing. 

Laser, Totally understand being busy. I'm in the same boat. 

Anyone else doing an edit of this cinematic crime?

Totally understood, Laser. The xmas bit wasn't meant to pressure you. Just to show you that dozens of folks are anxiously waiting to see what you can do to save the fourth installment of the most beloved film series of al time. :) 

Agreed. I would love nothing more than to cut Ox and Mac for that matter. Put the focs more on Indy and all, but it's just not possible, even with Laser's expertise. 

BTW, the Indy 4 edit is supposed to be my Xmas gift to several people. Some of these folks have even held off buying or renting the DVD, waiting to see the one true version of the film.

Things are pretty slow, so apparently Laser is EXTREMELY busy with work. I know how that is. 

I swear if I could I'd pay that dude's salary just so he could finish his edit. 

Oh and yeah, unfortunately removing Ox would be insanely difficult.

Cyclades, 

All excellent points and I couldn't agree more. The job of every story is to think of everything to the point that the audience is never left wanting missed opportunities. A film like Raiders is air tight. KOTCS is just a gaping hole that all the extra sidekicks and CGI just couldn't fill.

If there was a way to cut OX it would help take away some of the goofiness . Hell, we have a shot of ol Mutty Mutts crying in the camp, all we need is a way to off the old dancing loon. 

Too many chefs in the kitchen on this one. LC worked alright because they kept the crew seperated for the most part.

Seeing Indy narrowly escape a trap is cool. Seeing him barely get Marion through is cool. Seeing a conga line of six people make it through makes you wonder if that trap was deadly at all.

But I realize such a change as killing off Ox would be HUGE and difficult. And I think the changes that we've proposed so far especially that first likst would do wonders for this film. 

Just a shame we have to do anything at all.

Some good suggestions Doc. 

I never nocticed that Spalko shoots one of her own men, I'll have to watch again to catch that. 

As for Marion, I've mentioned it several times. Her goofy "I don't care if I get shot or if my son dies...IM IN A MOVIE YAY!" look through most of the film is just too much. I HATE HATE HATE the scene where she is holding on to the steering wheel laughing after the waterfall. KILLS me everytime. The trust me line was poorly delivered as well.

Glad you liked our suggestions (me, topdawg, etc). Laser's doing a great job so far.

Yeah. The "Thats the idea" line suffices. If losing "trust me" wouldn't be too difficult, I'd vote doing it.

Still not my biggest issue, but it's an improvement.

Yes, Laser, well done once again. 

As for the Oh Shit thing, I say cut it like a swarm of magnetic bees.

So...where ya heading now?

That's funny, that line from Marion also bothers me every time i see these awesome edits from Laser and others. Not my biggest issue, but still irks me.