Uncanny, as I've said, this is my favorite movie trilogy and I want this edit to be perfect and seamless or not exist at all. I do not have the knowledge or experience to make that amount of quality happen.
Sad to say, but you are absolutely right. Nice to have it all in one place, but we may never see THE edit of the film that fixes everything we'd like fixed.
Heks, I assume you've seen the photo swap done by Laser on one of the first pages of this thread. I think this works much better than the lazy way they did it in the movie.
As far as the Marcus statue head thing - I found the effect looked cheap like they sped up the camera or something. And I'm don't remember there being much of a point in having the head fall off either. Kind of a rude way to treat old Mr. Brody anyway.
Sounds good though. Nice detail as always.
Heks, I though topdawg, Laser and I were thorough in our list. Looking great.
Great work as usual Laser. And it seems to me that there is actually MORE detail in many of these shots as opposed to what Ringo stated. All in all it looks much more in line with the OT and will go very far in making this one worthy.
It was ChainsawAsh who said that he had access to the soundfx.
Bedlam, are you still talking about this!? Geez.
Heks, couldn't agree more. We're making some good progress here. This is the only edit I'll ever do, as Indy is my favorite movie series and part 4 really hit me in the gut. Every bit of info that can be provided by those interested in actually posting constructive ideas will be helpful - as will a bit of enthusiasm.
I had a feeling you had no idea what you were talking about...
First of all, I COULD learn these tools - infact I've been messing with it. That doesn't change the fact that my edit would not be NEARLY as seamless as the edit of someone who has been at it for a long time. I think we can all agree that this film needs some pretty drastc edits - many of these are actual DIGITAL changes... Now we're in the creative and artistic area, which for the most part CAN NOT be learned.
You follow?
As for the "obsessive asking", I'll say it for you again: I posted numerous comments explaining how busy Laser and others are with real life and demonstrated a complete understanding in regards to this. Laser posted some good work. As did Marion and others. Those of us without the skills in this arena were admitedly excited about the work that was being done. No doubt.
You are on a message board, a forum. A place for discussion. In this thread we are posting CONSTRUCTIVE ideas toward making Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull a better movie. If you have something meaningful to contribute in this area, I would love to hear it.
Heks, glad to hear you have some experience. It's a head start at least.
Your interrogation edit looks like it just might work. Of course seeing in action is sometimes a different beast. Looking good so far though.
As for the sense of danger opst, I totally agree. Hopefully by cutting the goofy shit, adding more thrilling and familiar music, and making some key edits to such scenes as the staircase trap, the quicksand, the jungle chase, the water in the end, etc.
Surely you understand the difference between somebody who takes a crash course in such software as opposed to the quality you get from an experienced professional. No edit is worth doing unless it is entirely seamless.
Understand?
Also, this "obsessive asking" you're refering to is simply a hope that someone finishes the fine work they've started. I've made it a point to express my understanding that Laser (for instance) is busy and that I just hope someone who has the experience for what looks to be some pretty heavy edits can do an edit of this film. You mentioned yourself that the Superman Returns edit is being done by a special effects professional.
And you want US to just pick up some software and learn it? Come on...
I would LOVE to do it myself, if I could...
So the fella who's finishing up the Superman Returns edit over at fanedit.org said while he was watching Indy 4 he thought it would be his next editing project... until he KEPT watching Indy 4 and deemed it all hopeless. Understandable, no doubt, but maybe we can change his mind. The work he's doing on Supes is pretty great - even changing the color of Superman's costume.
To be honest I would love to find someone to help us out here, but it won't be easy. I've asked around a bit here and on the other site - even around my work - but nobody's interested it seems.
Sucks. We have the makings of a movie that actually somewhat deserves to stand beside the OT.
Well, I definitely don't want to pressure Laser into working on it. He'll do it when he's ready - if he's ready and I was only joking about the paying thing. Which is why I think we need to just hope for someone else to come in and do work on this. Laser did great work, but I know I wouldn't want to be bugged by anyone to do something I wasn't totally into. Maybe we can look over at fanedits.rog
It's on page one - the first post has the full list then additional changes. The Ox stuff IS sort of jumping the gun though if we're taking things slow and in order.
Also, though I think we've got a lot of great stuff here and more to come, I still think we're gonna need to recruit someone to actually make all of this a reality. Many of these things will require someone experienced with this sort of thing so that it all looks seamless. So either we find someone or we pay Laser's salary so he can quit his job and do this full time :)
To be honest, I didn't notice the name thing in the 3 times I've seen KOTCS. Please note that only ONE of those three viewings were for pleasure (or a hope of pleasure) the other two were for edits. Anyway, I would say it would be pretty dumb for him to start shying away from using Indy as his name and instead going for Henry. Geez, we need to retain as much of OT as possible I say - especially the fella's damn name...
As for Ox, since we can't cut the dumbass completely, there are several things we can do to make him less TERRIBLE. Heks, take a look at the lists topdawg and I put together in regards to Ox especially. For example, the scene where we meet Ox dancing and prancing can be improved greatly, the "help" gag during the quick sand scene can work better and the sand/obelisk puzzle can be solved by Indy instead of Ox with a few simple edits. Check them out. See what you think.
Sounds to me like we have two ways to go with the nuke scene - both of which are a vast improvement over the original.
I think someone is already doing it in the way I prefer so I say we give your idea a shot. I think it could work.
Dialog with the FBI and Ross seems like it should work fine that way.
Right. Point taken. But I don't think the footage of Indy IN DoomTown is particularly great, it's just that it's better to see him actively involved and in over his head instead of watching it all take place... Not that I'm completely against your idea though. I think I'd have to see it. I just worry that the whole thing will seem even more pointless if its just something Indy watches from the sideline. THought?
Lots of good stuff here.
Let's start with the nuke: I think your scene would work just fine as far as the edit goes, but what worries me is the fact that Indy is now just watching something spectacular take place as opposed to being knee deep in the action like usual. Now, I realize there are vastly differing opinions on him actually surviving the blast in a fridge, but I still think that if take out the goofiness of "fine don't wait for me", edit out the fridge flying over the car, cut a few fridge bounces, and have a longer more dramatic delay before the fridge door opens, AND maybe (if possible) not even see Indy get to his feet, but cut after the door flops open, it would be a vast improvement over whats there originaly. Yes, we do have the problem that everything else Indy faces seems to be "kid's play" in comparison, but if we are able to add more of a sense of danger to the later scenes where his actual family is at risk then we might be in better shape. What do you think?
As for the interogation room dialog, I think you've made some good cuts here. 2 things:
1. I kinda like Indy saying "glad to see you too, Bob" (or w/e) in reponse to his "indy, thank god" it works as a sort of joke ya know? As in Indy is glad to see anyone after just missing a nuke and referencing bob saying "thank god" as if he is just really glad to see him.
2. I assume you 've kept the "who is she" line from Indy b/c we are cutting her name from earlier in the film right?
Looking good besides. I swear I'd pay someone to do all of these edits just to get a good movie out of this.
Now how do we get rid of Ox, add more of a serious sense of gritty danger, and more music from the OT...?
Thanks. Sounds like it might work nicely. Now let's just hope this edit gets made somehow...
Nice suggestions, but I still say we don't need the gunpowder floating through the air at all. Cut after Indy asks for a compass to them walking through the warehouse to Indy asking for shotgun shells. THe gunpowder is dumb and more needless CG.
Are you doing these edits yourself?
Yeah, looks like Laserschwert is a bit busy lately. Hopefully he'll complete his amazing work. Go ahead and post your ideas - preferably ones that have not yet been documented here already by me, topdawg, golden idol, marion, etc.
Maybe someone else will give it a whirl in the meantime...
Glad to see some action on this thread.
Agree with all of your points - new and otherwise.
I have to disagree Golden. I think it looks fantastic - a huge improvement and much more in line with the OT.
Marion,
I'm kinda torn here. I really like Color 4 and Color 2, but I'd have to see more clips to really decide my favorite. Nice work though - this will help the movie greatly.
Questions:
Is this sort of edit a frame by frame sort of thing?
And, how is the rest of your edit coming along?
Damn. This thread has died down. Everyone must be hard at work.
So I overheard some fellas in a bar last night talking about Indy 4. They hated it, but whats great is that their issues with the film were pretty much exactly the things we are targeting. Nice to know that we seemed to have hit the mark on this. I really wanted to tell them that there is hope and his name is Laser, Marion, Spence, Infodroid, Golden Idol, TopDawg and Jones1899 (and others).
And Marion - how goes your edit?