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#333071
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Kingdom of the Crystal Skull Edit Suggestions
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Hah, Sluggo, you're right. After seeing some of the great work so far, I should know to expect great things on all fronts.

I think the nay sayers might be surprised here. I think we'll have here an edit of this film that at least deserves the right to stand beside the other 3. Considering what we had to start with, I'd say that's a resounding success.

Laser, I disagree with the post regarding the skin tones of your color correction. I think it looks PERFECT!! As I've said, that change alone makes this a MUCH better film. Nicely done.

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#333036
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For  the waterfall scene - couldn't we combine the two ideas and have Marion drive off directly into the river then have the three falls be cut together quickly. This way we still avoid the DUMB tree limb trick and still increase the danger of the waterfall scene that was so bland in the film.

As for the title...I think I'd prefer to just leave it. Not because I like it, but just becasue my plan was to just slip this new DVD into the case and act like the other never existed.

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#332911
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Kingdom of the Crystal Skull Edit Suggestions
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First of all, Jedi, well done on the edit. I think it works very nicely. Of course we'll have to omit any reference to 3 times it Falls.

Nice work on the list Topdawg, I saw you tried to send it to me by pm, but I only got up to #10.

I did however get a chance to watch the film again finally and have a few more comments, just to be sure we've got this down right.

 

1.) I think we can definitely cut Indy's head spasms - they look funny and awkward. We can see the close up when we KNOW something is going bad. Then we use the zoom in on the skull or the same close up of Indy (maybe even closer this time) while Mac and Spalko's dialog plays - saying shut it off, cover it up etc. I think it works better NOT seeing Indy's reaction in the end.

2.) We should see the fridge come to rest, but not all the bouncing and flipping.

3.) Can we extend the scene (loop or slow speed) BEFORE the fridge door drops open? I just think a few more seconds would be nice to establish he's pretty beat up.

4.) I really like jedi's edit - assuming we remove 3 times it falls dialog so anything refering to this or the monkey's doesn't matter. Jedi, I really like how you cut down on the number of hits and kicks Spalko gave to Mutt. Much better. Still wish the little bastard didn't have to swing on the vine at all, but there's no way around that.

5.) As for Ox - whom I hate very much... We CAN get rid of the dancing and twirling of the stick. Here's how it will play...hopefully. First Spalko will tell Dovchenko to go get him. Then we see him being dragged into the tent. Then we cut to Ox's dialog.

6.) Something new - we should cut Indy's "Yes, good" to Spalko when they are looking at the map. She gets a clue right, but he shouldn't congratulate the biatch.

7.) Ok. The sand pit. In addition to having Indy not say "go get help" ,but "help" instead, we should have the Russians appear with Mac. Mac's dialog, then Indy saying "Good work, Ox" then cut. Ox doesn't have to say "help"

8.) As for the plants and crotch, we can see him straddling the ducks, and plants hitting him, but the grabbing the crotch thing is a bit much. Also, we don't need to cut back to this at 1:20:10. Once is plenty.

9.) The branch hitting Marion is AWKWARD and its unclear why its even there in the first place. Cut.

10.) This is minor, but I'd like to cut the first grunt we hear when Indy misses the truck on his whip swing in the warehouse. THe first one's a bit much, second one just right.

11.) Cut the "Woa!) in Doom Town when Indy sees its dummies on the couch. His look says it all.

12.) I think Marion laughing holding the steering wheel would be possible - Am I the ONLY one who HATES this? If NOTHING else, we can come in late on it to skip her weird laughter. THough I'd like to edit out the whole thing. It just doesn't work.

13.) We should omit the second time Indy says treasue is knowledge. Ok. We get it buddy. Got it the first time.

14.) FOr more detail on the edit to the water rushing at them as they are escaping the temple in the end, see this thread. Basically we should make it all much more immediate, not only make it seem as though the water was one their heels (cut them waiting and staring at it) but also make the ascent much more rapid.

15.) Minor, but Ox's "Dad?" in the end in reaction to Mutt isn't really needed. Cut right to somewhere your grandpa..."

16.) Ok, so the sand puzzle has always bugged me, cause Ox had already firgured it out and there was nothing for Indy to do. Until now. When Ox holds the sand that falls from the Obelisk, Indy looks at it like he has a plan. We can CUT Indy saying Ox you figured this out in your cell (and later when he says good work.) Let's just cut to him holding the stone over mac then busting the face.

17.) Lastly, the scene with Mac trying to stock up on loot in the end and Indy trying to save him. We should see Indy telling him to come on, and cut like the film does right after Indy goes for him whip, then see the walls bursting, Indy falling down onto the steps and Mac flying out. Then indy herding his friends up the steps and out the door.

 

Whew. Ok. See what ya'll think of these.

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#332886
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Kingdom of the Crystal Skull Edit Suggestions
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Well I made a laughable attempt at using Premiere last night, so looks like I'll be an idae guy for the most part. I can use photoshop and have some drawing skills though. Also, I actually work as a writer so I'll be extra hard on the dialog as well, LOL. JK.

Laser, your color correction already makes the film look ten times better -- I mean it. Can't wait to see these edits. 

Topdawg and I will post our final (and hard fought -- lol) list soon. 

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#332867
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Jedi -- 

Some good suggestions here. Just a few comments...

1. I don't think I'd cut the Doom Town scene. For all of it's uh... quirks... it's still pretty iconic. I do agree however that some trimming could be done especially to the fridge flying and rolling and bouncing. 

2. There IS this weird pacing at work here between Ox's cell and the grave site, but i think (and topdawg as well) we shoot cut the childish dath of the blow gun guy and add gun fire here from Indy. Some trimming elsewhere might help as well.

3. Agree 100%. I would do it the exact same way.

4. I'd like to see one BIG waterfall by combining the 3 small ones. Something would have to be done about the drops three times dialog of course. 

5. Agree 100%. I would do it the exact same way.

6. I'd have to see it again, but I don't mind "stop being a child" though I could see cutting "find something to fight with." Not sure about the Jones/Jonesey thing - would have to watch it again. Agree with cutting plants hitting Mutt's crotch. I'd really like to see your version without the monkeys. I remember in the theater thinking I had the perfect way to pull this off, but again I'l ahve to see the film again to remember. 

7. Agree 100%. I would do it the exact same way.

8. Agree 100%. I would do it the exact same way. I'd like to see Indy leave the bastard. Maybe he can say the "god damn it, Mac..." line walk back down to help, grab for his whip, then Mac gets sucked away, then back to Indy who was knocked down by the blast, gets up and gets back to escaping with his family. 

9. I would trim the school promotion. But keep part of it. 

Ok, so these were just suggestions. Topdawg and I are having conversations trying to come to a consensus on an edit.

Question - i'm new to this - would it be easier for us to all come to a consensus and split the labor to create one ultimate version? Or do y'all each want to have your own version?

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#332808
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I like the music for the gears, however the "water elevator" is boring and was already done in National Treasue. What do ya'll think about having there reaction to the coming water, seeing them get knocked around by it, then cutting to them flying out to the surface?

Nothing interesting happens on the slow ride up and the danger will seem more immediate and the water will seem more rapid if we take out the slow ascent.

Also, what if when they hit the dead end, instead of standing around and waiting and THEN reacting to the incoming water, it was cut so that it seems the water was right on thier heels?

Perhaps even slow the end when they are shot out, so it has more weight to it?

These are all just suggestions. I'd have to see it to know for sure how it would work, but it sure sounds good... What do ya'll think?

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#332504
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There's a way to cut the ENTIRE monkey/vine section. 

 

I remember thinking of it when I sat there crying the second time I saw it. Anyway, I'll provide details when I watch the movie again on the 14th. 

I was/am going to do my own version and the fix was pretty simple - considering my knowledge of final cut is minimal. 

Anyway, good list. 

Here are some more ideas. 

1. Indy/Spalko dialog in the begining outside hanger - too long and repetitive. 

2. Some of the magnetic gun powder stuff was a bit much. Could be cut. 

3. "Damn, thought that was closer" line should be cut - a simple look will do.

4. Cut Indy's line in Doom Town when car leaves him there, "Well, fine then!" Or whatever he says. 

5. Prairie Dogs. Out.

6. Cut comedic bits from end of rocket sled or at least some of them.

7. Cut bouncing fridge, just show the door  fall open. 

8. I would love for Indy to keep the knife artifact he finds in grave, but that's probably a tough one. Damn if this movie doesn't need some edge though.

9.Gunshot at grave scene would be great. 

10. Also, can we better establish the Nazca Lines below the grave site? Could be done so much cooler.

11. Cut Ox's goofiness. He look squite happy to be insane and it's just CHEESEY! Dancing around, etc.

12. Cut Indy's AWKWARD HEAD SPASMS. After the mind games when he's tied up. 

13. Somehow establish that the quicksand pit is NOT two feet outside of the camp. Jesus, taht was retarded. They just escaped and damn if comedy doesn't ensue. Maybe use a fade or something?

14. Also, somehow fix the OX thing with finding help. It was dumb. I hated ox by the way. Any ideas here?

15. Cut science lesson in quicksand. Out of character and dumb.

16. Cut ripped pants in truck with switch blade.

17. Omit Marion giving her son fencing lessons while he's fighting. 

18. Omit bushes hitting Mutt's crotch.

19. My GOD what can we do about Marion driving the truck into the tree branch?

20. Anything we can do about the waterfalls? Make it one BIIIIIG one instead of three?

21. Cut Marion holding on to the steering wheel, laughing. Terrible. 

22. Sand puzzle is dumb and makes no sense. Whats the point of filling the thing up with sand only to have it all dump out. Am I missing something?

23. Make the staircase drop them into the water without first showing the water right below them. Have me more dangerous and immediate. 

24. Cut the aliens from the climax. 

25. Indy should leave Mac behind. Let the bastard die. Worry about your family instead. AT LEAST CUT this scene down a ton. 

26. Omit the water taking them out of the temple. This wasn't cool when National Treasure did it. Not sure WHAT to do here, but it sucks. 

27. Cut some of the awkward dialog in the end when they are sitting on the rock. 

28. Keep UFO - it echoes the mushroom cloud nicely. 

 

Whew.