jarbear

Both of those worked really well, nice!

RogueLeader said:

I really like your newest clip Hal. Regardless of the merits of keeping/removing the fathier chase, I really like the new music transition between scenes. Maybe it’s just me, but I feel like it helps give Finn’s last look of contemplation a little more weight. As if it could make the audience doubt even more whether Finn will actually commit to the cause or become like DJ.

Agreed ^^

darthrush said:

I love how you replaced the BB-8 sfx and smoothed over the music transition. It really sells what I couldn’t get right when trying to transition between those two clips.

I prefer keeping the dialogue in the ship of “You know about this place?”, “only in stories” and THEN cutting to Canto Bight. Your version feels a little rushed, but overall I think you really sold the transition between the Casino establishing shots and them arriving which is absolutely the critical cut.

Great work Hal.

That was done very well Hal, especially the music and the BB-8 Sfx. Thank you for trimming that.

I do agree with Darthrush that did feel a bit too rushed. By keeping that dialogue that ends at “…in stories” it helps to remove the “rushness” to the scene and helps transition to the rest. It also gives you a little “heads up” to what is going to happen next to the look and feel of the casino.

One thing to keep in mind too, it could all be a misdirect for everyone for Episode 9. The reason for this, if we may recall, Snoke created that “mind” link between Ben and Rey. Granted he explained his “trap” with his reveal he planted that conflict in Ben. Maybe he cooked something up to draw Ben to Ray with the whole parent thing. A way for both of them to draw together for different reasons so Ray would come to Ben … which was the trap.

Granted I am not saying that is exactly the case and has it flaws. But hey, we have to wait and see until Episode 9…

I’ve been re-listening to this last one a lot as well. Another thing that stands out is there needs to be more bass or something to the Your Mother part. When I stepped back and closed my eyes, I did notice the first 2 words were a bit more “empty.” So that, and on top of slowing down mother another slight bit … I think this will nail it!

For the mother part (again listening a lot) I think the “uh” sound needs to be lengthened, as well as the “er” at the end. I think there are sounds that can be used if that would help based on prior quotes if that helps.

It also makes sense to step back and wait some time before revisiting scenes, etc. All in all, as usual, good work Hal!

Jackpumpkinhead said:

Sir Ridley said:

Your mother once thought this should do:
https://mega.nz/#!bR0CUAgZ!8tXiiKI9PUpvmjG1VO3qkCUnFyiF5YaVewQ-oSBXAdw

That is so close to perfect! I think “mother” could be slowed down a bit more

I agree, it’s essentially 98%-99% perfect, I think if it just slows down ever so slightly it will work. My goodness Ridley, this is AMAZING!

Also “…Your Destiny” That “your” sounds pretty good. Has limited quotes, but the “your” sounded pretty clean.

https://www.realmofdarkness.net/sb/sw-vader/

You’re could work, didn’t think of that one!

That is sounding better and better with each version!

I see what Littleev87 says about “mother” being slowed down. I think the “your” is ok, but “mother” is said faster compared to all the other words.

My goodness Ridley, the things you can do!

RogueLeader said:

I just personally think the fight between Kylo and Luke shouldn’t be a physical one. The fact that Luke projected himself was a brilliant decision. It’s the ultimate Jedi act, defense, not attack. It allowed him to confront Kylo Ren and save the Resistance, but it also prevented him from having to kill Ben (which he doesn’t want to do) and it prevented Ben from being able to kill Luke and plunge himself further into the dark side.

The fact that the whole First Order saw him take a barrage of firepower and be untouched, toy with their new Supreme Leader and then just disappear, is the stuff of legend.

We saw Luke be a badass, showing us one of the most, if not the most, powerful uses of the Force we’ve ever seen. I totally get the fanboy desires, but I would just think about it some more!

I agree, I am the same way. Granted the “fanboy” in me would love to see a more epic duel, but for the direction the movie was going I do agree the Force Projection was brilliant.

darthrush said:

To bring up another topic…I did kind of want to see just a little bit more power displayed from Luke. Just a little more. There are a few options for this right now:

1. The Redone Luke/Kylo fight from Ivan Ortega

This is the thing that I desperately want to work. He said he will film on a green screen with the costumes and all so I just really hope it works out all right.

2. Have Luke be the one to fly the Raddus into the Supremacy

This might work better if you start on Crait and end with the throne room like DigiMod’s TLJ edit.

3. Custom vfx work to have Luke bring down AT-AT’s?

This might be cool. I am literally just spit balling anything by this point to have ideas for Luke to do something else cool. This is honestly just a fanboy desire but I’d love to see something happen and the redone fight with Ivan Ortega looks like the best shot for that right now.

I would love an edit to have Akbar to Kamikaze the First Order. 😉

I like the pacing much better, flows more natural for his character. The last thing would be polishing the Your Mother part to help match the original as close as possible. The Your Mother is still a bit too “clean” for a lack of better words.

It is shaping up REALLY GOOD Ridley!

Sir Ridley said:

jarbear said:

Yep that is an improvement. I think what sticks out is the moTHER part of it. The reason is the word goes up, which makes a “jump” to the next word/ original face of “once thought…” So if there is a way it sounds more like “YOUR MOther once that…” I think that may help it. So maybe a source that goes down on sounds/quotes with “ther” or “er” maybe is what’s needed?

I hope that make sense?

I updated my post after a couple of minutes with a new version, does this apply to the version that is linked now? Because it goes up on “MO” and down on “ther” (MOther). I feel like he should emphasize that word. But I adjust the intonation digitally so it can be shifted around.

AH, I see! Yep, I downloaded the audio file prior to the updated post. That is a big improvement as well.

I am curious, if possible depending on the scene is to have a bit of a more gap between mother and once? I am not sure how possible that is with the original scene, but I think a bit of space between those two words would help polish it. Again, that depends on if it would be too hard to do with the scene adding a split second or so on the dialogue.

Yep that is an improvement. I think what sticks out is the moTHER part of it. The reason is the word goes up, which makes a “jump” to the next word/ original face of “once thought…” So if there is a way it sounds more like “YOUR MOther once that…” I think that may help it. So maybe a source that goes down on sounds/quotes with “ther” or “er” maybe is what’s needed?

I hope that make sense?

I am a big fan of spreadsheets! So far I get & like the linking!

darthrush said:

That is awesome Hal. Maybe tone down the wind a tad bit and then I think it’s perfect.

I think that would be the only tinker you could do if you wanted. Other than that, wow!

Both were done really well … I have to say I like the leaf joke though…

EddieDean said:

Wow, this thread is moving fast. It’s already getting a little difficult to get a handle on.

I’d expected it to take a very top-down approach, which is what I’m used to at work, but it seems like this thread is naturally leading towards a bottom-up one, where individual issues are being raised and discussed and solutions around them are forming.

That’s not a criticism at all, either is valid and will yield good results, but top-down and bottom-up can’t really both work together, at least not in a loose environment like a forum. So let’s lean into bottom-up for a moment and think about how a bit of structure might help.

If we’re going to be generating issues for discussion, instead of trying to find a coherent shared approach for movies, let’s see how well we can fix those issues by editing individual scenes, as a few people already have to great effect. I’d propose building a library of edited scenes in order that we can settle on which components warrant inclusion at a later date. This way, we focus on practicality without needing to come to a consensus right now. And if we have edited scenes to hand, it takes the pressure off a single set of edits - editors can simply select the elements they prefer the most. And it also takes the main editing pressure off individuals, since snipping and reordering scenes is one of the easier editing tasks. We can also, with permission, take edited scenes from existing fanedits with consent, and avoid repeating work.

Let’s take the Dooku is a fallen Jedi example - some are unhappy with his red lightsaber, so want it rotoscoped. We’ll list that as an issue, then if a capable VFX editor can make that change we have the scene available for production.

Does this resonate? If we focus on individual scenes rather than high-level goals it allows for practicality to be chief while leaving room for personal preferences down the line.

I can see this is already getting out of hand as well, which I know I have contributed to that. So lets start with your example and discuss until a decision that is doable and practical can be achieved such as Dooku.

If we stick to JUST the movie canon, lightsaber colors were not really explained. Jedi had a variety of different colors. But we knew the Sith, or at least the “bad” guys used red. For those who just sit down and watch the movies, would it seem strange that Dooku, who is clearly the “bad” guy does not have a red lightsaber?

Flying Leia - For me, it just felt silly visually. I am NOT in the camp of “Leia was never trained … so she can’t do anything!” arguments. The force is strong in her, so that’s fine and all … when it counts she was able to summon it. I just can’t get over the look of the whole thing, it feels and looks strange.

Hyperspace Kamikazi - Didn’t have a problem with that. The Raddus was a very large ship with strong shields, hull, etc. This was a last resort move that could only work under certain circumstances. Granted, I am not sure why people have such a problem with it. The last thing you would want to do is sacrifice a large strong ship unless you ABSOLUTELY had to. She by-passed all the safety mechanisms that would prevent that. Anyway, for me this was absolutely fine.

Space Chase - It would be hard to alter this … but by removing the time, be it the lines that say hours, etc, that would be MUCH better.

Miscellaneous - Alter the crawl regarding the “being open” since the FO already knew of the base towards the end. I believe there would need to be altering of Poe’s lines to Finn since he says that as well about exposing themselves. Need to re-watch that scene to recall correctly.

For Rey lifting up the rocks, remember, she is Mary Sue. 😉

The flash back idea is an interesting one if it can be done well.

TK-422 said:

I’m not defending TPM, I just think it’s dumb that people criticize that movie because Anakin was taken back to Naboo, and then turn around and say that the kids in TLJ should’ve gone with Finn, Rose, and an untrustworthy space pirate as they infilitrate Snoke’s flagship.

rolls eyes at those people

That was done really well, really well!

The jump was done so well!

Sorry for confusing post, I probably should have expanded my post to make more sense based on a previous’ post that quoted the original video link. But great that you added a splash sound! That’ll polish it nicely.

DominicCobb said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

DominicCobb said:

When I was a kid, the Order 66 sequence really worked for me. I don’t know why, probably because I was familiar with all the Jedi characters from the animated Clone Wars and a couple books I’d read (and from my own adventures with their action figures) and also probably because John Williams owns it (as usual). Problem is, you have to take the films on their own, and in that case, the music and the emotion of the whole montage is way out of whack with our investment in these non-characters. Plus, I feel like cutting around to random planets that we’ve never seen before is rather un-Star Wars. Basically, the sequence had to go.

So, without further rambling, here’s my rough radical edit of the Order 66 “montage” (not so much anymore) with a couple music changes thrown in:
https://vimeo.com/248689159
pw: rots

Added bonus: the Jedi don’t all die in one day

Honestly, while it obviously works better if you’ve seen these Jedi in additional content, I think it works fine even without it simply because we recognize them from the previous films. Besides, it’s not meant to be such a personal thing; it’s about the death of the Jedi as a whole, and showing a bunch of them die conveys that idea much better. Plus, it’s just an all around amazing scene.

I could probably write an essay with a word count in the thousands as to why I think this is the right change to make for me. Suffice to say, while Star Wars has always been a story with an epic scope, its always been rather grounded and focused in on the main characters and their stories. The Order 66 montage breaks that convention and tries to reach for some (in my opinion unearned) emotion that, in my version of ROTS, I don’t want to have that be a factor at this point in the story.

I do get what you are saying, it is a good point. The original scene was done well, be it the music and feeling of it all for me. However, your edit and reasoning does have merit since it was very different for Star Wars. I would say the edit you made was executed nicely. I think what is needed is a splash sound when Obi and Lizard hit the water. Doesn’t have to be loud or anything, but since you are changing the portrayal of the original sound/music/feel/etc, it does need it.