jarbear

MalàStrana said:

• Removing Snoke berating Hux at the end of the opening battle

I can get behind that. Not for just Hux’s sake, but for Snoke too. Snoke is an older, wiser leader who would not berate is generals in front of his “underlings.”

Think about those under Hux’s command. It would be terrible for moral if the men/women under Hux’s command to loose respect, or not take him seriously, if hux was pretty much spanked in front of them in a humiliating way.

For Snoke, it takes away from his character. I don’t see Snoke reflecting their personality of a Trump-like personality to be honest. (Not being political in any way, just based on personality and power position)

Heck, Snoke didn’t make a big fuss when starkiller base was destroyed.

I say this in respect to how Snoke presents himself in the open. Of course behind closed doors with his high position commanders/generals he would not hold back on them since they are in his “inner circle.”

By doing this to Hux, it cuts down on him personally. Yes he is Nazi-like and he should be cut down a peg or too. But that scene is just not necessary. The opening dialogue/scene with Poe and Hux has a perfect balance that does not demean Hux.

So personally I see two options. The first would be what Darth Rush did is ending the scene after the rebels make the jump with Hux look of panic and disbelief.

As an alternate to that idea, add the dialogue of the FO officer saying her line about Snoke hailing Hux and end on Hux’s expression.

Both those work but the alternate Segways nicely on the next time you see Hux he is with Snoke.

I am wondering if I’m the only one who felt that Rio Durant (4 armed pilot frim original crew) was jarring/distracting? As a character he was fine and his dialogue didn’t bug me at all.

However, in the Star Wars universe, alien looking creatures (not too humanoid) that do speak Basic have some kind of accent, “alien” sounding voice or something that makes them sound different. Rio sounded like a normal guy. It almost felt like a voice over in some ways.

In an edit I personally would like sometimes to be tweaked so he fits better in the Star Wars universe and not marvel. Either adding some kind of voice affect or changing his voice completely.

Just a thought if I’m not alone!

Wow, that is even an improvement in the original edit. Very eloquent. This edit is getting polished so nicely!

Hal 9000 said:

https://vimeo.com/271494997
password: fanedit

Here’s another test with the Luke moment scene, taking feedback into account.

Huge improvement Hal!

Same here!

poppa so much better with the removal of the leia space walk … so much better …

Come on Hal! 😉

What program do you guys use? I personally use DVD fab (paid) and they burn smoothly.

I am curious to see it as is based on your edits!

Hal 9000 said:

Here is a slightly different attempt at Rose’s final line:

https://vimeo.com/267589743
password: fanedit

That’s pretty smooth there Hal!

IlFanEditore said:

I just remembered that Rebels season 2’s ending clearly says that Vader is Anakin, so to watch everything in chronological order, that should be edited too.
It is impossible to fix everything by just working on Episode III. We should at the very least work on Episode IV and Rebels too.

Anyway… another Color Correction here.
This is the “bubble theatre” panoramic view.

ORIGINAL: https://imgur.com/a/EFzTzYn

EDITED: https://imgur.com/a/VEpYlfb

There is no way to completely edit the movie to keep the “reveal” of Anakin from ALL of the Star Wars Movies, Shows, Comics, etc. The best you can do are the edits you are thinking of AND if you edit ANH. Essentially these kinds of edits would need to be focused on JUST the movies. So you sit down and watch them in order JUST by the movies.

I have not watched the video YET, but based on just the comments and topics:

Leaf Joke - YES, please reinstitute that. I thought it was clever and true to his character.

Rose Line - If there is a possible way to alter/trim and do whatever in a seamless way, then yes do something with it. However, if it looks to “fan-edity” then keep it.

I was going over your cultist and had an idea again. One your cut list you are removing the whole attack of the temple and the events surrounding that. I will say that would be a bit too much, since it complicates later scenes with Yoda and Obi-Wan going back to the temple.

What I would do is yes, remove Palp’s/Sidious’ order for Anakin to attack the temple but do keep the order to go to Mustafar. However, keep pretty much everything else associated with the attack on the temple (minus anikan marching with troops). This includes the scenes with the Temple burning … Bail visits the Temple to see whats going on AND Padme’s scene with Anikan.

The events of the Jedi Temple being attack/burning, etc. should occur AFTER Palp’s gives the Order 66 and those scenes that follow. This connects the dots on why the temple is attacked and is occupied with troopers.

Here what this allows. Number one, the Jedi temple is attacked due to Order 66. Also, by not showing Anakin there leading the attack, it does help add weight and truth to Obi-Wan’s words in a New Hope about Vader “hunting down the Jedi”. Specifically focusing on “Movie Cannon,” this can leave the audience to assume that some other Jedi (asides from Obi & Yoda) escaped from the temple or survived the Purge. That would be reinforced by keeping Obi-Wans actions of changing the distress signal at the temple to a “stay away” message.

Granted, we know Obi-Wan is a liar in A New Hope, but this adds a bit more truth in his words BUT also does not make the audience have SO MANY dots to connect with Vader and Anikan before The Empire Strikes Back.

Of course one would need to edit A New Hope A BIT to help sell the point, which is not the purpose of this edit since it is for Episode 3!

Food for thought.

That would be fine if there cannot be a polished way of doing that. It’s a shame he didn’t say that for both children.

IlFanEditore said:

jarbear said:

Here is an idea I have about the baby birth scene:

No baby names are ever revealed. Also, it is important to remove the reveal of baby leia’s sex. Depending on the possibility to do it in a seamless way, a dub of Obi-Wan saying “It’s a Boy” helps with my idea. Here it is:

First of all, the main reveal of the babies’ genders in the original cut are revealed by the nursing robot. That is an easy fix, since she uses a “robot” language that is translated on screen. One could completely remove the translation, or use a very generic translation. It can be on the lines of “The first baby is healthy/first baby’s birth is successful” or “The second baby is healthy/the second baby’s birth is successful.” Also, having nothing is ok since Star Wars movies do not always translate Droids or Aliens.

SO with that in mind, imagine the first baby coming out and the droid’s words are not translated or say something different.

So the first birth goes as plans WITHOUT the droid revealing the sex. Obi-wan takes the baby, shows it to Padme. She does not name the child but goes directly to “pushing” out the next baby.

If possible, to help make the scene sound/feel more natural, if someone could do a seamless dub of Obi-Wan saying “it’s a boy,” it would be helpful to the scene before Padme begins “pushing out” the next child. The reason is he says “it’s a girl” to Leia but not when Luke is born. This is not 100% necessary, but adds polish to this edit.

So now we have the next baby coming out, the droid does not reveal the sex and we have Obi-wan with the second child. Here is the slight change to it from the original cut: Obi-Wan gets cut off by padme before he says girl.

It would go something like this:

Obi-Wan: “It’s a …”

Pademe: Cuts off Obi wan - “Obi-Wan…”

This way the baby’s gender is not revealed in a convincing way.

The cream on the top of this would again, be someone able to seamlessly dub in Obi Wan saying “it’s a boy” when Luke is born. Again, not 100% needed, but does help with the edit.

The next change deviates from the movie’s original transition. Instead of transitioning right a way to the interior of Tantive IV with Obi, Yoda and Bail … there is an establishing shot of the exterior of Tantine IV.

To do this, there are a few ways … one could be using a mirrored shot of Tantive IV from the movie OR someone with skill can make a new shot of the ship. It does not have to be anything fancy, just a non static shot of the ship.

During this establishment shot of the ship, it would have Obi-wan saying his line “What of the boy?”

Then it cuts to Yoda spinning in his seat and talks to Obi-Wan with the plan for the baby boy, etc. The rest is the original conversation between Yoda and Obi-Wan. By doing this, the audience is coming into the meeting during the middle … or ending of it. That way, the other baby, who’s gender has not been revealed is still hidden and its fate is not directly been revealed. Of course, we would need to remove all the Alderan shots of Bail and Wife with a baby. Just the shots of Obi-Wan on Tatooine … maybe even Yoda on Degobah.

What do you think?

Here’s what I mean.
If I remove the “It’s a girl” and during the Tantive IV scene we hear only Oni Wan talking about the boy, we don’t know about Leia’s fate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pbts9NOGR4&feature=youtu.be

The concept works aright, I don’t think it matters really who was “born first.” Obviously the boy is “rough,” but if someone who has more skill in audio editing or can piece together other sounds and words Ewan/Obi says … I think that can work very nicely.

IlFanEditore said:

SECOND ANAKIN’S DREAM.

Same as before.
While there is the dream we hear low Palpatine saying: “Learn to use the Dark Side… Dark Side of the Force… Power to… Power to save Padme”.

https://streamable.com/bx2ze

I like that subtle inclusion of that to the dream. Maybe just SLIGHTLY louder … but not too much louder to drown out the rest of it. Only try that just to see how viable increasing it … since it’s pretty nice as is.

Here is an idea I have about the baby birth scene:

No baby names are ever revealed. Also, it is important to remove the reveal of baby leia’s sex. Depending on the possibility to do it in a seamless way, a dub of Obi-Wan saying “It’s a Boy” helps with my idea. Here it is:

First of all, the main reveal of the babies’ genders in the original cut are revealed by the nursing robot. That is an easy fix, since she uses a “robot” language that is translated on screen. One could completely remove the translation, or use a very generic translation. It can be on the lines of “The first baby is healthy/first baby’s birth is successful” or “The second baby is healthy/the second baby’s birth is successful.” Also, having nothing is ok since Star Wars movies do not always translate Droids or Aliens.

SO with that in mind, imagine the first baby coming out and the droid’s words are not translated or say something different.

So the first birth goes as plans WITHOUT the droid revealing the sex. Obi-wan takes the baby, shows it to Padme. She does not name the child but goes directly to “pushing” out the next baby.

If possible, to help make the scene sound/feel more natural, if someone could do a seamless dub of Obi-Wan saying “it’s a boy,” it would be helpful to the scene before Padme begins “pushing out” the next child. The reason is he says “it’s a girl” to Leia but not when Luke is born. This is not 100% necessary, but adds polish to this edit.

So now we have the next baby coming out, the droid does not reveal the sex and we have Obi-wan with the second child. Here is the slight change to it from the original cut: Obi-Wan gets cut off by padme before he says girl.

It would go something like this:

Obi-Wan: “It’s a …”

Pademe: Cuts off Obi wan - “Obi-Wan…”

This way the baby’s gender is not revealed in a convincing way.

The cream on the top of this would again, be someone able to seamlessly dub in Obi Wan saying “it’s a boy” when Luke is born. Again, not 100% needed, but does help with the edit.

The next change deviates from the movie’s original transition. Instead of transitioning right a way to the interior of Tantive IV with Obi, Yoda and Bail … there is an establishing shot of the exterior of Tantine IV.

To do this, there are a few ways … one could be using a mirrored shot of Tantive IV from the movie OR someone with skill can make a new shot of the ship. It does not have to be anything fancy, just a non static shot of the ship.

During this establishment shot of the ship, it would have Obi-wan saying his line “What of the boy?”

Then it cuts to Yoda spinning in his seat and talks to Obi-Wan with the plan for the baby boy, etc. The rest is the original conversation between Yoda and Obi-Wan. By doing this, the audience is coming into the meeting during the middle … or ending of it. That way, the other baby, who’s gender has not been revealed is still hidden and its fate is not directly been revealed. Of course, we would need to remove all the Alderan shots of Bail and Wife with a baby. Just the shots of Obi-Wan on Tatooine … maybe even Yoda on Degobah.

What do you think?

That was done smoothly! Good job on keeping Hux’s expression/reaction.

That topic has not been discussed yet, it has actually been quite for a bit. There were so many ideas going out it would make sense to tackle things one by one. I do believe removing the Anakin and Darth Vader connection in Revenge of the Sith should be considered to try and make the movies be watched in order. Tinkering with some of Obi Wan’s lines in A New Hope will help that as well. But not much has to be done.

IlFanEditore said:

FIRST ANAKIN’S DREAM.

As I said, there is the cut from Grievous and Palpatine scene (where Palpy does not say that he is going to have a new apprentice) and then the panoramic city view of Coruscant.
No balcony scene, we cut to Anakin’s dream, where there are scenes on background about Shmi and Dooku’s death and Palpatine voice.

Anakin must have an “Odi et Amo” relationship with power itself, not just fear for Padme’s loss.

https://streamable.com/o5v94

That was done really well, nice job!

I am getting more and more interested in this edit. It gives me ideas about the collaboration RogueLeader is coming up with!

toastedzen said:

poppasketti said:

Hal 9000 said:

I’m very reluctant to crop off the broom boy ending because to me it just feels so very ‘fan edit-y’ and inauthentic in a way I can’t put my finger on. Star Wars movies always end with a scene without any dialogue, and even if Canto Bight is hardly there, the meaning of the final scene would still read easily.

Hal, I completely agree with you on this. Ending on the Falcon feels rushed to me and just kind of small.

The broom boy scene works so well not because it pays off the fathier scenes, but because it pays off Luke’s sacrifice. Luke accepting his legend and using it to inspire others gives his actions such weight and scope. It’s just epic. And it plays wonderfully after Rey herself expresses doubt about the fate of the rebellion.

Without that end scene, you lose the scale of what Luke has done. He didn’t just save our heroes, he rekindled the rebel spirit.

(Hal, I would also be grateful to see an early rough cut when it is ready!)

The imagery of the boy holding the broom like a lightsaber speaks to the child in all of us. It’s a real Disney moment, but it’s what they are really good at. It gave me goosebumps when I saw it in theaters.

I still personally have no problem at all with the Broom Boi ending. It works very well … Luke is back to the Legend and is spreading. It’s a good ending.

I like the idea a lot, I would be happy to take a look at it. I know RogueLeader is coming up with a full saga edit to remove as many plot holes, etc. So I like the idea of sitting down and watching it from start to finish!

Hal 9000 said:

DZ-330 said:

Please tell me this means no kids at the end… 😉

Hmmm… well now I’m not sure. You’re right that if I go that route we now have no establishment of those kids whatsoever now.
Perhaps I should try to put together an ending Falcon scene with no dialogue. Don’t know if that could even be done or not.
I think it’ll come down to whether the current plan of heavily reducing Canto Bight works out seamlessly. Right now we have the problem of needing a shot or two of BB8 and making the transition to the hyperspace scene (whether directly or later in the film), without feeling weird that we’re suddenly on a different ship.

If removing the Broom Boi scene, the ending will be a tough one. There have been other discussions and edit/previews trying this and each time they do feel a bit too abrupt.

I was ok with the removal of the salt line, that part didn’t matter to me,

Need the Rose / Stabilzer scene. Clearly his stabilizer was not engaged, and then it transition to the shot all of them have their mono-skis out. Continuity error there my friend. It shows that those rusty buckets have to have those in order to have control.

I didn’t mind the foot thing at all, personally.

Medallion removal, I can take it or leave it.

darthrush said:

Hal, I was looking over your cutlist and liked the idea of cutting Luke saying “Nothing will change my mind”. It did sound a bit childish in theaters and you made a good point about connecting the two static shots of R2 so I tried it out and wonder what everyone thinks.

https://vimeo.com/266454365

Smooth, very smooth. I like that a lot! Thanks for keeping the last line though!

Handman said:

Maybe Kylo Ren could’ve said they sold her to get off Jakku.

Doesn’t really have the same ring to it. He was trying to make her feel worthless in order to get her to join him (break her down to build himself up), so I feel like “drinking money” fits fine here. It doesn’t have to be 100% truthful.

Plus… What was it Obi-wan said in the original film…? The idea that characters have to give 100% factual information is kind of silly.

Ben Solo being like Ben Kenobi? Ben Solo is living up to his Uncle & Grandpa’s mentor very nicely.

I think it is easy to assume he is not being completely truthful, he had an agenda.