"Remastered In 4K" is a collection of movies made by Sony. Their goal is to remaster films using new 4K transfers then make regular Blu-rays optimized for 4K TVs. While they generally look great and superior to their 2K counterpart, there is often not so much of a difference when the original release is good enough.
I think you got the whole story right, Harmy.
@TServo2049: Exactly, they come from an old 2K master.
@zee944: Oh, sorry. I first thought you were sarcastic or arrogant like many people on the internet. I clearly misunderstood and I really do apologies if my tone was a bit harsh.
Anyway, I don't really know if Universal did a new transfer, I just strongly guess because DNR and EE were their cheap option to make the trilogy "nice and shiny" so I don't see the point of rescanning any print at the same resolution to get the exact same render with the same dusts since it costs them a lot of money to do it.
I was obviously talking about the white speckles. I don't see anything else that matches the word "dust" on this frame.
Universal is definitely not dealing with different prints. They scanned an interpositive back in 2002 and didn't scan shit since. It costs money to transfer a whole film so no, I didn't think about that because it's stupid.
The dusts are not on the original negative or the interpositive because they are not the same on the previous analog releases.
TServo2049 said:
And is the "DCP" version truly the raw 2002 transfer? Did the original DVD also have the digital cleanup gaffe that turned Marty's skateboard wheels from yellow to pink?
Yes, the skateboard wheels are also pink on the DVD.
The only thing that changes between the DVD and DCP (beside the slight colour timing difference) is this frame which is strangely cleaned up on the DCP:
zee944 said:
ilovewaterslides said:
Ok, you want more dust, here is more dust: LINK
To be honest, it doesn't convince me either. What should I look at? The white speckle?
Seriously? What about these two? LINK
Don't tell me they are part of the wall because I just checked the scene and they only appear on this frame.
But yeah sure, they definitely come from different masters that's why all these dust particles are exactly at the same places.
Thanks! And thanks for replying because you seem to be the only one interested in my version of the TBC logo :-)
jimbotron235 said:
ilovewaterslides said:
Yes I'm pretty sure indeed.
You never see the exact same dusts with different masters: LINK
The reason why the framing is different is because they are working with an open matte master. It was needed for the fullscreen DVDs back in 2002.
The end credits issue is still unknown. Nobody actually knows what the fuck Universal did with these. It doesn't have anything to do with film transfer though because the movie has no anamorphic film element at all.
That example looks like a burned-in piece of dust on the original negative, so it would appear in any master. I could be wrong though.
I know BTTF 2 and 3 were shot in open matte, which led to the misframing on the original DVDs. But I thought BTTF was hard matted, so the top and bottom of the frame were never captured, and the fullscreen version crops the sides instead of opening the top and bottom. No?
Ok, you want more dust, here is more dust: LINK
BTTF was also shot in open matte.
I have the original 35mm trailer and it is open matte, I have the fullscreen DVD box set and it is open matte, I have an old TV capture which was made from a 35mm print and it is open matte as well.
You want some proof, here you go: LINK
Yes I'm pretty sure indeed.
You never see the exact same dusts with different masters: LINK
The reason why the framing is different is because they are working with an open matte master. It was needed for the fullscreen DVDs back in 2002.
The end credits issue is still unknown. Nobody actually knows what the fuck Universal did with these. It doesn't have anything to do with film transfer though because the movie has no anamorphic film element at all.
No. Actually the DVD/Blu-ray/DCP all come from the same old 2002 master.
They just tweaked it for the BD release but it's definitely the same master.
Because we're a small community compared to the huge amount of people who'll buy the set even if the picture quality is still not there. Unfortunately, it works like this and yes that sucks.
Sorry for bumping a year old thread but maybe someone could be interested in the "To Be Continued" logo I've made. Here it is: LINK
I've used a high bitrate so it can be used with the DCPrip. The logo itself is not perfect but pretty close to the original.
EDIT: Link updated with better looking version.
Unfortunately, it was (badly) translated for TV. Anyway you can download the TBC logo sequence from the DVD featurette here and also a remake version that I just made here if that can help you.
EDIT: Link updated with better looking version.
AntcuFaalb said:
ilovewaterslides said:
The pre-DVD digital master did have it though.
Did anyone cap this back in the day?
I have an upscaled HDTV capture. Only the second half of the movie unfortunately. It's from French TV so the logo is not the original but the colours are definitely not the same as the current master so it's still interesting.
Indeed, only the VHS and LD had the TBC logo.
The DVD doesn't have it since it's the same master as the BD.
The pre-DVD digital master did have it though. It was mainly used for the TV airings and was initially planned as DVD master but for some reason, Universal made a new transfer of the movie in 2002.
I used to love browsing and posting in this topic. Things do have an end I guess.
poita, you've posted a really short 4K ProRes clip awhile ago.
I only have a resized screenshot from it and I was wondering which print was that. It sure looks amazing!
Is it raw or did you actually change something?
Here it is:
TV's Frink said:
Harmy said:
I'm more interested in what's in those cans.
WHAT'S IN THE BOX???!!!
poita said:
Nearly all my prints come in Hollywood Film Co cans.
My bad. I wasn't sure since I've never seen any American print for real.
LOL, don't tell me that you got yourself the original negatives...
More seriously, is that an interpositive by any chance?
A good quality theatrical print would also be pretty nice but they don't usually come in "Hollywood Film Co." cans I believe.
Meanwhile, I found a 35mm print of the original teaser. This would be awesome to have scanned in HD since even the Blu-ray includes an upscaled version of it.
Here it is: LINK
jedimasterobiwan said:
is there anyone willing donate the 35mm prints of all 3 movies to this project for who ever wants to work on this project?
Yeah sure, someone is going to give us 24 reels of 35mm film for free just for preservation purpose.
I'm pretty sure that I did mention these prints were rare and expensive.
The BTTF prints are pretty rare and they generally go for loads of money unfortunately for us. But we never know! I'm pretty sure that most of the members here would donate for this project.
They don't give a damn. They will sell a bunch of sets anyway. With just a couple of useless new special features and a fancy box. People will buy because most of people are idiots. Universal can make a huge profit with these and it will be even bigger if they don't remaster the films.
Yes but since we now have the DCP rip, the WOWOW version is pretty useless.