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New leaked concept art from Trevarrow’s script.

https://m.imgur.com/a/fbZFcbC

These are spectacular.

I had the same complaint about the takodana sequence in TFA.

Chewie’s Missing Moment - Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker
https://youtu.be/XjwigMmYO0s

A “what if” scenario based on unused concept art.

Here’s the collection of BTS photos
https://assets.adg.org/media/submissions/2019-12-27_11-27-04/SW_ADG_PDF.pdf

Top notch, Obi wans natural instinct to help his friend really adds volumes to this scene.

2 for me.

Yeah I hope this turns out to be b.s

Thanks for the reply. Glad to hear you’re planning on releasing two versions of the edit.

Would you suggest that the deleted Kylo scene would work better without the last few shots of the scene, or just the head turn? Because it might feel weird to go from his reminiscing to outside the Falcon with no buffer

For me it’s the head turn that’s a little unwarranted, scene could work with or without the last few shots but I prefer the former.

As for the day dream I definitely agree that it’s worth re-evaluating, perhaps you can add it to the version with the original ending.

After watching this a second time I’d like to give my overall thoughts and some input.

I think you are close to achieving your primary goal for this edit - bringing out the films subtext - and specifically for me, the undertones of Rey’s character, her loneliness, vulnerability and longing are very well demonstrated through the various dialogue cuts, reaction shots, sounds and visions.

NeverarGreat said:
Rey’s Daydream (version 5)

Man do I love this, its such a striking visual. I assume you cut this for fear of revealing her powers too early in the film, the feeling I got from it was that Rey was imagining far and different places perhaps as a past time, as the film progresses though it slowly unravels that there is something more to it as the same island pops up again and again.

• Integrate Leia’s deleted scene with Kor Sella directly after Finn disembarks from the Falcon.

It felt a little odd cutting from Finn disembarking to leia and korr sela than back to Finn and Poe.
I think it would flow better if it played out with Finn disembarking - He finds Poe - their scene play out than cut to the deleted with leia and kora with finn and poe coming down to speak with her right after.

• Preface interrogation with Rey fitfully dreaming of her recent vision of Luke and R2 as well as visions of the island and the interior of the Jedi tree.

Maybe simplifying to an establishing shot of achto with the jedi texts would suffice.

• The second Snoke scene has Hux sent to prepare the weapon to destroy the Republic with no mention of a reconnaissance ship and no knowledge of the location of the Resistance, and ends with Snoke taunting Ben by calling him ‘Solo’.

I liked how Kylo’s heritage was not revealed in the first Snoke scene and I think throughout the course of the film his heritage reveals itself so for me the Solo taunt kinda takes away from that.

• Leia’s ‘…again. Our system is the next target’ is replaced with Snap asking if Leia has had word from the Republic, to which she answers ‘No’.
  Generally I think the stakes need to be emphasised a more concerning the imminent attack on Republic.

• Insert deleted scene of Kylo on the Falcon, altered to include new music and sound effects indicating his happy memories on the ship.

Could probably do better without the over-dramatic head turn, flows better without it.

• New sequence on the bridge where Kylo offers the lightsaber to Han in one final test. Once Han touches the saber,
  Kylo can access his memories and hears both Leia’s faith in him and Han’s pessimism, and it is this which hardens Kylo’s resolve.

The voices could be lowered just a tad

• Move Leia’s reaction to Han’s death to right after the explosive detonation.

This felt a little off for me, seeing leia’s reaction in the direct aftermath of her husbands death in resonated with me more.

• Remove indications that the planet is collapsing around Rey and Kylo, including all shots showing the cliffhanger. The lines about Rey needing a teacher remain, however, augmented with the final instance of the sinister whispers and echoes of her many traumas. She uses this to tap into the Dark Side and overcome Kylo.

I think the many voices can be a little distracting and its a little hard to make out what they are saying, I think less is more would be the best option in this case .

• After the shot of Chewie mourning for Han, there is an extended sequence of BB-8 returning to a comatose R2 in an effort to awaken him. Rey sees this attempt and the scene cuts to night at the base with R2 hooked up to a computer terminal which is helping search his backup data. As this happens, Rey has a dream/vision of waking up on Luke’s island and finding Luke himself. She holds out the lightsaber. R2 awakens and the map to Luke is revealed.

To be honest I’m really torn on this sequence. On one hand I feel like the original ending with Luke is the perfect payoff for this Isolated adventure yet on the other hand the dream Sequence is better in the context of the Last Jedi.
Would be great if you released two versions to satisfy both sentiments as I’m many would like to watch this back to back with all TLJ edits.

Knight of Ren Actor Juan Bautista Confirms Ending was changed a week before TROS release.

https://youtu.be/QR6veQEzcu0

Seems like the actor is speaking in strange terms so as to not get himself sued.

One of my personal favourite TLJ edits but the editor was unfortunately banned.
I will send you a PM.

There are a good few edits that do that.

This is a pretty good start:
https://youtu.be/yQYXtnsjsf0

Useful Information from the TROS Visual Dictionary To keep in mind.
(Source reddit)

Many of these are obvious and already stated before.

The Empire took over the famous “Jedi” planet Ilum one year after Revenge of the Sith, and started terraforming projects. Later, it became Starkiller Base. Still don’t know if the Empire itself wanted to transform it into a superweapon, considering there was the Death Star already.

Vader already knew Luke was his son during the hologram scene in Empire strikes back (yeah, I know it was stated in a comic, but it was a nice addition here IMHO).

Palpatine died in Return of the Jedi. It was only the Sith Cultist/Tashu/Acolytes who survived (important and related to my “Palpatine and Chosen One in TROS” post, because, even if stretched, if could mantain the prophecy cohesive and true).

Luke starts looking for Exegol the same year Ray is abandoned by her parents, and he keeps searching until Ben destroys the Jedi Temple.

Snoke became a suitable leader for the First Order because of his Force abilities. His race is still unknown, probably unique (maybe because of cloning experiments). It’s still unclear if he was aware of his nature, and what degree of “mental freedom” he had.

General Pryde understood that Snoke himself was only a tool in the hands of a higher power.

Resistance bombers were on another mission during the Starkiller battle. They arrived just in time for D’Qar’s evacuation.

Maz Kanata helped Leia into acquiring Boushh armor.

The singularity that replaced Starkiller Base/Ilum is named “Solo”.

TLJ Resistance flagship is named “Raddus” after the Mon Calamari admiral seen in Rogue One.

Leia was Luke’s first apprentice.

The Prime Jedi on Ach-To cavern represents the duality of the Force.

Snoke told Ben a twisted version of Anakin’s story, to make the boy believe that Darth Vader was his true nature.

One Sith ritual explains that one must sacrifice a loved one unlock new insights of the Dark Side (Ben killing Han).

One things I’ve asked myself was if Ben and Rey were already a Dyad before Snoke bridged their minds. Here it says that yes, they were a Dyad even in Episode VII. Probably Snoke’s actions strenghtened this bond, or accelerated it.

Snoke was created for three reasons: 1) Become a time-limited leader for the First Order and bring chaos in the galaxy. 2) Turn Ben to the Dark Side. 3) Die at the hands of Kylo Ren, to make the boy prove himself as worthy of the Sith traditions (final test for the Dark Side and the Sith Ritual).

Rey and Ben manage to kill the Praetorian Guards because of their Bond.

First Order Walkers’ formation in the Battle of Crait is called “Veers formation”.

Luke learned his Force projection trick in the Jedi sacred texts. The ability is called Similfuturus.

Sith Cultists built the new fleet for decades, thanks to the fact that noone could find Exegol.

Ajan Kloss was charted by Alderaanians scout who were looking for Rebel bases. It is the planet on which Leia was trained by Luke.

Snoke KNEW that Rey and Kylo were a Force Dyad! But considering that Palpatine DIDN’T KNOW that until the end, does this prove that Snoke was not controlled by Palpatine and had some degree of freedom and individuality?

One of the Jedi texts mentions “the Netherworld of Unbeing”, another way of calling the World between Worlds.

Rey has R2 scan the sacred texts for safekeeping.

The opening planet is Mustafar, which is healing itself after the actions shown in Vader:Immortal. The planet has been controlled in the past by the Techno Union and Black Sun.

Luke’s Jedi Compass (found in Battlefront II and seen in TLJ) works in a similar way to Sith Wayfinders.

Sith Wayfinders are a mixture of Force and technology. They can be “used” only by Dark Side users, but they can be linked to a ship’s navigational system.

Moraband/Korriban has been considered as a new base for the Sith. But too many people knew about it, so it was scraped.

The prophecy of the Dyad is very similar to the Rule of Two.

The previous leader of the Knights of Ren was called just “Ren”. The Knights are Force sensitives, but not enough to use the Force.

The Tantive IV was found by a former imperial senator, and given to Leia as a gift.

Leia saw Padmé through the Force (“things you will see, other places. The future, the past, old friends long gone”), that’s why she seems to remember her in Return of the Jedi.

Charlie from Lost helps Rey into reading Jedi texts.

Lando’s daughter “vanished” and was abducted by the First Order (Jannah).

Dengar is alive and on Kijimi.

Sith Fleet personnel are not from the First Order. Their hat insignia show a Sith Eternal crest.

Really great stuff NFB bravo.

Yeah the more I read the BTS interviews with JJ and and Terrio the more I get the sense of how out of touch they really are.

I mean saying that the star wars saga is about the “house of skywalker and the house of palpatine” and that they felt ending it on tattoine with the buried sabers symbolises reuniting the skywalker twins on their home planet is just off.

I appreciate the subtle hints sprinkled throughout this edit and I respect the conservative approach, for now though I think the current hints could be made a tad bit more noticable specifically the blue smoke which I think might go under the radar for some people.

Well we can agree to disagree on this one.

smpearce1981 said:

As per Starkiller’s opinion:- I think the magic of what Poppa is attempting with these additions is that if you look at it from the perspective of watching TLJ as a first time viewer there are hints and easter eggs that we would have come out of the movie and then questioned, debated, freeze framed, rewatched etc in order to develop theories for the story ahead?

The beauty and fun of it is that when Palpatine’s Return is revealed for TROS, these hints were always there if you were looking/paying attention but it wasn’t ever overtly spelt out.

As fans that’s the stuff we live for…because we like to feel we are cleverer or perhaps just simply care more about these details than general audiences do?

It’s cool to have easter eggs here and there for those with a good eye but narratively speaking it’s not enough to sell the return of “Space Hitler” in the flesh who everyone thought was dead for 40 years, especially when looking at it from the perspective of a middle act in a trilogy which should set up the stakes for the finale.

That’s fair, I personally think that considering how TROS unapologetically Slaps the audiance with Palpatine at the get go, it warrants a less subtle build up.

Perhaps, but if you’re gonna have the Palpatine transmition at the end it kinda becomes a palpatine film in retrospect so might as well go all out in the lead up.

yotsuya said:
The numbers indicate that the critic score is way off on RT. The audience has not been that divided and a great many love it and have called it the best Star Wars since the originals.

I’m not a conspiracy-theorist but that frozen 86% seams just a little suspicious.

StarkillerAG said:
It would seem weird to only show the main villain of the trilogy at the beginning of the 3rd movie.

I see where you are coming from but isn’t it even more weird the way the trilogy currently is with him appearing totally out of the blue? At least with him having an active presence throughout the trilogy (mainly TLJ) it would be less of a contrivance and more of an inevitability.

I just think that Palpatine’s overall role to this trilogy is so significant that he should have a more overt presence especially when Snoke is on screen, I really like NeverarGreate’s idea of layering Palplatines voice under Snokes lines.