since no Sith villains make for a less exciting franchise.
At the the announcement of the Lucasfilm buy-out I had my hopes up for a villian akin to the Yuzhon Vohng, an outer galaxy threat. An enemy that threatened the force itself.
poor palpatine! 40 years waiting to resurrect and die again hahahah
Yeah, this really should have been a two-parter. Part I ends with Palpatine rejuvinated with the Sith Fleet unleashed and Part II spans a galaxy wide WAR.
2/3 year time jump. The Capital Has been taken by the Sith.
Rey and now Jedi Knight Ben Solo Rebuild the Jedi Order. Finn, Poe and Rose go behind enemy-lines, Storm-Trooper Revolution, Retaking The Capital, All that Jazz.
Ending on a Climactic Duel between the Jedi and the Sith at the former Jedi Temple (now Sith- Eternal Base).
Throw in a young Palpatine clone and you’re set for a duel that will end all duels.
I gotta say, Palpatine jumping off his throne and stabbing Rey with his saber is a hilarious yet fitting visual.
https://youtu.be/FHr9QI__I60That’s one of the most unintentionally hilarious things I’ve ever seen.
Although it’s nowhere near as funny as the one where Rey is replaced by a cardboard cutout of Hayden Christensen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D37Saj0A8Wc
Written and Directed by…
Reddit.
If we’re to have Ben Solo die, I think the best way to go about it would be to have him heal Rey and die while Palpatine is busy turning the fleet into a BBQ. We have the force ghosts appear like normal but when Rey is about to ignite the second lightsaber, Ben Solo’s force ghost appears with his hand reached out just like the rest, ending Sidious with a final blow.
Later he would appear with Luke, Leia ( and maybe Han’s) ghosts on Tatooine.
A more meaningful death and redemption!
Except the area is rubble at this point and there’s no ships above getting zapped, so the background looks pretty different if you move this scene up. I don’t disagree this is a cool idea though. May just look out of place without some additional vfx.
I think kewlfish did a nice job with that aspect, at least for a mockup. You’re right though, the background would have to be blurred a little and the lighting would have to match Palpatine’s Lightning.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1o5cEKfhfdQ7NmPoQsSd7uzmiJFk1pQMN/view?usp=drivesdk
Yeah, I still really like this concept. In addition to adding lightning to the background when Rey is looking down at Ben, I have just a few suggestions that I think would make the idea work even better.
- When Ben picks up Rey’s body, he briefly looks off to the left. Perhaps when that happens, slip in a shot of Palps shocking the fleet, so it’s more apparent that he’s completely distracted.
- We can’t cut out “Rey, the Force will be with you. Always.” which kewlfish’s concept does. Instead, keep that dialogue in (audio only), and have Leia’s “Always” synced up with when Rey’s hand moves and she grabs Ben’s.
- I don’t think it’s necessary to keep the POV in space for the entire duration of the voices. Instead, just cut back and forth between space, Rey’s eyes, and reuse the shot of Ben holding her.
Also, not exactly a suggestion, but kewlfish’s concept has the unfortunate side effect of cutting out some of the other Jedi voices. So if there were a way to preserve those, I think the idea would work flawlessly.
Great suggestions!
It doesn’t fit with the music to keep it in, this or any other musical piece that was considered.
Has anyone tried… Duel of the fates?
I gotta say, Palpatine jumping off his throne and stabbing Rey with his saber is a hilarious yet fitting visual.
https://youtu.be/FHr9QI__I60
Would love to see a more polished take.
If we’re to have Ben Solo die, I think the best way to go about it would be to have him heal Rey and die while Palpatine is busy turning the fleet into a BBQ. We have the force ghosts appear like normal but when Rey is about to ignite the second lightsaber, Ben Solo’s force ghost appears with his hand reached out just like the rest, ending Sidious with a final blow.
Later he would appear with Luke, Leia ( and maybe Han’s) ghosts on Tatooine.
A more meaningful death and redemption!
Except the area is rubble at this point and there’s no ships above getting zapped, so the background looks pretty different if you move this scene up. I don’t disagree this is a cool idea though. May just look out of place without some additional vfx.
I think kewlfish did a nice job with that aspect, at least for a mockup. You’re right though, the background would have to be blurred a little and the lighting would have to match Palpatine’s Lightning.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1o5cEKfhfdQ7NmPoQsSd7uzmiJFk1pQMN/view?usp=drivesdk
If we’re to have Ben Solo die, I think the best way to go about it would be to have him heal Rey and die while Palpatine is busy turning the fleet into a BBQ. We have the force ghosts appear like normal but when Rey is about to ignite the second lightsaber, Ben Solo’s force ghost appears with his hand reached out just like the rest, ending Sidious with a final blow.
Later he would appear with Luke, Leia ( and maybe Han’s) ghosts on Tatooine.
A more meaningful death and redemption!
I’d love it if Jonh made a version with just the skywalker ghosts standing behind Rey. Anakin, Luke and Leia.
Janky, but can be done 😉
https://youtu.be/UzeIb-TZo_I
I think the deleted scene could still be salvaged. All that needs to be worked on is the background, which could be added in from other scenes.
You know, you could be right. The grass is always greener on the other side but I’ll wait till I see his Jurassic Word 3 to pass my verdict on him as a film-maker.
And while they’re at it they should bring back Trevorrow and Derek Connolly to write and direct.
They deserve a chance.
I know this might be off topic but I really want a sequel series/new trilogy that continues after TROS with Finn causing rebellions in the FO ranks, Poe becoming the new republic general and Rey rebuilding a new Jedi order.
A spectacular piece of concept art from Trevorrow’s Duel of the Fates script.
https://i.redd.it/xvm3g2n25u251.jpg
I think the Poe humor in TFA and TROS is some of the worst in the entire franchise, especially the recylced joke from Lost in the beginning of TFA. I agree that JJA needs someone to reign him in, he’s super creative but needs some inflexiible limits imposed on him.
Excluding “they fly now” I thought the humour in TROS worked really well.
Jonh! Your force ghost edit has gone viral!!
Star Wars Theory https://youtu.be/VGGV4HQhk5o
RJ is good with themes and character archs, basically the deep stuff.
JJ is good with action setpieces and humour, basically the fun stuff.
I think a mix of both is what this film needed.
Would have been interesting to see JJ and Rian take up the script for episode 9, with one of them taking the director’s chair.
That might work. I recently watched an edit that moves Palpatine’s reveal to the end of act 1, and while the cutaway kind of helps the “Scavenger Hunt” plot feel less hectic, it makes seeing Palpatine less shocking because you’ve had more time to settle into the rest of the story.
I’ve experimented with putting Palpatine’s message into the Last Jedi while saving his visual reveal for tRoS, but the only spot I can find is after the credits. I would hate for tLJ to spend 80% of its runtime being so bleak, and just when you think it’s going to end on a positive note, it turns out the big bad has returned from the dead with a promise of revenge. That feels cruel.You have a point about ending on a hopeful note, and while that wouldn’t work with Palpatine’s message, it would absolutely work with Kylo’s trip to Exegol. It’s something the protagonists don’t know about, and it shows that the antagonist has been weakened to the point of seeking outside help.
It took almost a month, but I actually made a proof-of-concept for that idea.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1R_FiQmvIdG02_SK_02LJMkNWoktKJy_t/view?usp=sharing
Bruh, the music, I got goosebumps.
Again, the set up of Luke urging his sister to let go and her and joining the force at the right moment was in the original cut. According to Jedi Paxis and the novelisation Luke and Leia had conversations leading up to her sacrifice that consisted of Luke telling Leia that her time has come with Leia replying that she is still not ready.
I say just turn Exogol into Korriban. Instead of a rip-off, why not use the real thing?
Too many characters have visited it in the past. If you make this change, the entire plot and chain of mcguffins to be able to travel there doesn’t work. You’d have to make a lot of changes as to why they can’t just go to Korriban/Moraband.
Yeah I guess you’re right. Maybe the plot could be changed so that the resistance only knows that Palpatine is out there without any knowledge/mention of Exogol. Rey would see visions of the Sith wayfinder (induced by Palps, “find me”) and so she checks the Jedi books where she finds that the Wayfinders where an ancient navigational tool used by The Sith of old.
So instead of looking for a hidden planet they are searching for Palpatine himself, effectively finding him on the long forgotten world of Korriban.
I say just turn Exogol into Korriban. Instead of a rip-off, why not use the real thing?
The more I hear about your edit the more I am intrigued.
Maybe the galaxy thinks he is dead but I think the ideal would be to have him in self exile. A batman like figure that appears and disappears out of nowhere, helping out around the galaxy as a form of penance. A symbol.
Carry’s death should have made Luke’s role central to the story.
For the life of me I don’t get why they didn’t have him at least train Rey between TLJ and TROS and throughout TROS. Even Trevorrow’s script which was written before Carry’s death gave Luke a central role, haunting Kylo Ren while training Rey and communing with Leia.
