I’d love to see a mock-up of the Vader vision, I think that could be a really cool scene. What’s the dialogue look like right now?
I think the “We’ve become a dyad line” sounds good, I probably wouldn’t notice if I didn’t know. Might be worth it just to see how it sounds, and if it doesn’t work, the original is still ok.
Yeah, i wouldn’t want that whole line to be AI, maybe it would work to generate the whole line and only take the “am” from it and see how it sounds.
Now that we have AI voices are there any lines that we want to regenerate? I know there were a couple in TFA. Maybe Rey’s “I am a Jedi” to make the am clearer?
Hello! I’ve been thinking about what my perfect edits for the whole saga would look like, and I thought I’d share. This is mostly just combining different edits, so nothing super original, but if anyone is interested I can find a place to host them.
THE PHANTOM MENACE
ATTACK OF THE CLONES
REVENGE OF THE SITH
A NEW HOPE
EMPIRE STRIKES BACK
RETURN OF THE JEDI
THE FORCE AWAKENS
THE LAST JEDI
THE RISE OF SKYWALKER
I already have ANH complete, and the rest should be easy edits, so they shouldn’t take long.
What you have is good, I’m mostly just focusing on how the lines flow/sound themselves. Maybe something like:
“You were right. Your parents were nobody. But they had no part in your conception.”
“Don’t!”
“You’re so much like my grandfather…"
“I don’t want this!”
“…destined to rule.”
You’re right, the hangar paragraph can be reverted. I think “You were his chosen heir…” sounds a little bit better, though.
Good point about the reaction to the line about her parents. For the Vader line, I never read it as Rey knowing this about Anakin. Kylo is revealing that Anakin was created the same way, drawing a similarity between the two. To Rey, this means that Kylo is implying Rey and Vader have the same nature. I mostly just think the lines flow better when they’re lighter and conveying less info per line, so I split them back up. For the hangar paragraph, I imagined neither of them knows about the possession thing, and believes that Palpatine is simply looking for an heir to carry on his name and legacy as a sith. I think is interesting for Rey because in this movie she’s faced with the burden of carrying on the legacy of the Skywalkers/Jedi, but is now told she’s destined for the opposite.
Yeah, that’s for Rey Nobody. I like how it includes the theme of coming together, as Rey wants to do the mission solo the whole film. It also gives Kylo’s line “the only way you’re getting to Exogol is with me” a slightly new meaning, since he now wants Rey to go with him because he doesn’t want her to turn to the sith, and instead create something new with him. I like the current dialogue for the force creation version, but I think I prefer some of the older wording.
“I pushed you in the desert because I needed to see it… I needed you to see it… who you are. The dark side is your birthright. Rey…”
“You’re lying.”
“You were right. Your parents were nobody. Junk traders from the outer rim.”
“Don’t!”
“But they played no part in your conception…” ( I think it’s best to assume that Rey’s parents simply didn’t realize she wasn’t theirs, probably because they’re asshole drunkards.)
“I don’t want this!”
“…Just like Vader.” (I don’t think this line really spoils anything because we still don’t know that Palpatine has any involvement in this.)
“No!”
“You’ve seen it, haven’t you?”
(Rey sees the vision of herself on the Sith throne)
“Luke saw the same fate in me. Only together can we make our own.”
“Stop talking.”
“Rey… I’m the only one who truly knows you.” (I like the Rey/Finn scene referencing this later.)
(Cutaway to heroes capture)
“Long before we met, I had a vision of a girl. When we first fought, in the forest, the power inside of you awakened. You revealed yourself not only to me, but to Palpatine… just as he’d intended.”
(Visions of Rey beating Kylo on Starkiller, falling into the dark cave, etc.)
“No!”
(A pedestal shatters and the mask of Vader falls to the ground)
“So that’s where you are.”
“Our paths have always been intertwined."
“No…”
"I’ll come tell you why.”
—
“Rey, I know the rest of our story.”
“Tell me.”
"Palpatine influenced the Force itself into creating life. First my grandfather, and then you. Like him, you were chosen to be the heir of the sith. You… are a rightful Palpatine.”
"Now, the Emperor wants us to fight each other, so his most worthy heir can claim the throne. But he hasn’t realized the strength of our connection, Rey… a bond, not of blood, but of raw power in the Force. We can end him and the Sith, and create a new order, together…”
“I saw what you would become. Face Palpatine alone, and you’ll play right into his hand. You’ll kill him, and take the throne. You… will be his heir.”
"But you don’t have to be alone. Palpatine only wants us to fight so the strongest can take his place. What he doesn’t know is we’re a dyad in the force, Rey… two, that are one. We can end him and the Sith, and create a new order, together…”
I think adding that “reveal” line at the end of the first paragraph will make it match better to the visuals/score.
I think “perfected in darkness” is vague enough to assume whatever you want while still hinting at something that makes her different to the skywalkers. This is why I slightly prefer Rey to be the sole creation of palpatine, because if they’re the same then we’ve already seen the skywalkers overcome the same struggle, just like the dark lineage plotline of the original. But the way it ties the trilogies together is worth it I think.
I like that as a way to differentiate Rey from the skywalkers, if it can be conveyed in the film.
“I pushed you in the desert because I needed to see it… I needed you to see it… who you are. The dark side is your birthright, Rey…”
“You’re lying.”
“I’d never lie to you. Your parents were no one. Junk traders expecting a child they never wanted.”
“Don’t!”
“But they had no say in your conception…”
“I don’t want this!”
“…just like Vader.”
“No!”
“You’ve seen it, haven’t you? Your destiny.”
(Rey sees the vision of herself on the Sith throne)
“Luke saw the same future in me. But we can make our own fate.”
“Stop talking.”
“Rey… I’m the only one that truly knows you.” (connects to Rey saying "everybody keeps saying they know me… I’m afraid no one does.)
(Cutaway to heroes capture)
“Palptine forsaw the darkness you would possess. When we first fought, in the forest, the power inside of you awakened. You revealed yourself to the Emperor that day… just as he’d intended.”
(Visions of Rey beating Kylo on Starkiller, falling into the dark cave, etc.)
“No!”
(A pedestal shatters and the mask of Vader falls to the ground)
“So that’s where you are.”
“Our fates have always been
intertwined."
“No…”
"I’ll come tell you why.”
—
“Palpatine told me the rest of our story.”
“Tell me.”
"He influenced the Force itself into creating life. First my grandfather, and then you. You were his chosen heir. You… are a rightful Palpatine.”
"The Emperor wants us to fight each other, so his most worthy heir can claim the throne. But he hasn’t realized the strength of our connection, Rey… a bond, not of blood, but raw power in the Force. We can end him and the Sith, and create a new order, together…”
True, I definitely don’t want to overdo the AI for any Ascendant version. The version I said only has ~3 AI lines though, so with some mask distortion I think it would work.
Repost from other thread about dialogue for the Ascendant Rey nobody version:
“Rey, I’ve seen the rest of your story.”
“Tell me.”
"I saw what you would become. The darkness in your future. Face Palpatine alone, and you’ll be giving him what he wants. You’ll kill him, and take the throne.”
"But you don’t have to go alone. Palpatine only wants us to fight so the strongest can be his heir. What he doesn’t know is we’re a dyad in the force, Rey… two, that are one. We can end him and the Sith, and create a new order, together…”
Thoughts on this? This way, the vision Rey and Kylo have can be true, because Rey doesn’t go alone. In the end, she has Ben with her. He appears right as Rey is about to kill Palpatine. The force duel doesn’t really need to be changed as Spence’s is already good. This would also use Spence’s removal of Rey’s line where she says she wants to destroy Palps.
Cool, that was just a first draft too, so if anyone has anything to add, go for it. Idk how much it costs, but if you run out of characters, maybe we could crowdsource some funds.
Yes, I think what we have is a great alternate version that keeps the spirit of TROS. I think we should make the dark vision dialogue anyways though, since that’s what I believe Hal wants for a Nobody edit. Nothing crazy, but gives the scene a little more to chew on going into the final act.
“Rey, I’ve seen the rest of your story.”
“Tell me.”
"I saw what you would become. The darkness in your future. Face Palpatine alone, and you’ll be giving him what he wants. You’ll kill him, and take the throne.”
"But you don’t have to go alone. Palpatine only wants us to fight so the strongest can be his heir. What he doesn’t know is we’re a dyad in the force, Rey… two, that are one. We can end him and the Sith, and create a new order, together…”
Thoughts on this? This way, the vision Rey and Kylo have can be true, because Rey doesn’t go alone. In the end, she has Ben with her. He appears right as Rey is about to kill Palpatine. The force duel doesn’t really need to be changed as Spence’s is already good. This would also use Spence’s removal of Rey’s line where she says she wants to destroy Palps.
It can still be a moment like that, the music that plays just frames what Kylo said immediately prior as a big revelation when we already sort of know the info he’s saying in this version. I think putting a more subtle track like Kylos theme or maybe a slower imperial March cue could work there instead. The I am your father scene had a similar score instead of the big buildup reveal cue that TROS has.
While we do this I may try to make a better version of the current nobody edit, splicing in the new Ascendant lines and some stuff from Spence. The big thing I want to do is rescore the reveal, as it’s not much of a reveal in the film. If anyone’s good with audio and would like to attempt it that would be amazing, I’ll try it but I’m not sure how it will turn out.
What Kylo says doesn’t have to be true, he’s just playing things up to get in her head. But, Rey’s parents could have totally been afraid of a baby that they didn’t conceive, especially one that exhibited strange powers as a child, like Anakin did with his racing. Maybe this is an result of Imperial propaganda painting the Jedi as evil. Rey didn’t even know if Luke is a real person in TFA, so their access to information is probably restricted on Jakku. Although, perhaps using “mother” or “family” instead of “parents” because I can’t imagine Rey’s dad believing his girl saying she got pregnant for no reason. The lines about Palpatine using the force’s reaction to his resurrection is sort of hard to grasp because it’s not really tangible, at least for me. I think it’s better to just leave it vague.
Here’s another slightly different draft. I think going into the force reaction aspect is a little confusing, and I’d rather spend those lines on drawing the connections between Rey and Kylo.
"I pushed you in the desert because I needed to see it… I needed you to see it… who you are. The dark side is your birthright, Rey…”
“You’re lying.”
“I’d never lie to you. Your parents were no one. Junk traders with a child they never expected.”
“Don’t!”
“But they had no part in your conception…”
“I don’t want this!”
“…just like Vader.”
“No!”
“You’ve seen it, haven’t you? Your destiny.”
(Rey sees the vision of herself on the Sith throne)
“Your parents sold you because they were afraid of you…”
“Stop talking.”
“The same way Luke was afraid of me.”
(Cutaway to heroes capture)
“The force showed me glimpses of you long before we met. When we fought for the first time, in the forest, the power inside of you awakened. You revealed yourself not only to me, but to the Emperor… just as he’d intended.”
(Visions of Rey beating Kylo on Starkiller, falling into the dark cave, etc.)
“No!”
(A pedestal shatters and the mask of Vader falls to the ground)
“So that’s where you are.”
“Our fates have always been intertwined."
“No…”
"I’ll tell you why.”
—
“Palpatine told me the rest of our story.”
“Tell me.”
"He influenced the Force itself into creating life. First my grandfather, and then you. You were The Emperor’s chosen heir. You… are a rightful Palpatine.”
"The Emperor wants us to fight each other, so his most worthy heir can claim the throne. But he hasn’t realized the strength of our connection, Rey… a bond, not of blood, but of raw power in the Force. We can end him and the Sith, and create a new order, together…”
I think the truth of the reveal is that Palpatine did indeed do something to create Anakin and Rey, but in reality they were a counter to whatever he did, and are just creations of the force. Palpatine then believes that he is their creator because he’s narcissistic and thinks that he has complete control of the force. That way, the canon timeline of events lines up. This can all stay ambiguous, though. The dialogue we have now doesn’t refute this either, so idk if it warrants a change.
That all sounds great to me. This scene will go in the rewrite hall of fame next to the TFA crawl.
The only point of contention is the current canon novels which state that he transferred his spirit before his body even died in the reactor shaft of the Death Star. At least this way Anakin actually killed Palpatine. It’s only because of his followers that he returned, and then a new chosen one was created.
I think I like the idea that Palpatine returns immediately after his death in ROTJ because if he can be resurrected after 10 years, what’s stopping someone from resurrecting him in the future? Palpatine survives because he has a whole clone operation on exogol prepared for this moment, and without a backup, his spirit has no where to go at the end of TROS and dies for good. But I do like the idea that Rey is a reaction to Palpatine’s return, so idk.
I like all of those changes. I can’t wait to watch the whole trilogy again with all these edits.
While I definitely agree that her parents aren’t relevant at all, I think including that line does a lot for Rey’s self doubt, and that instead of her thinking that she was abandoned because her parents were assholes (which they still are), she can now believe that she was abandoned for a reason, because there is something evil inside her. Which is cemented in her head when she stabs kylo, causing her to go to the island. This also makes the Skywalker’s acceptance of her mean a little more. But it can also just be implied and her parents never mentioned.