generalfrevious

You know... I just don't remember the chewbacca tarzan yell at all In Jedi; I'm not sure if it was in the original or added in the SE. But that's me: I didn't even remember the Greedo shoots first scene when I saw the SE in theaters.

Fang Zei said:

I really hope he doesn't come back for VIII and IX. Part of OT's strength is the different directors. The prequels should've each had a different director, and none of them should've been Lucas or even Kershner.

 Kershner is dead, though. But that is a good idea to have three different directors.

We'll probably end up with the Spielberg version of Jedi that never existed. At the end of the day we have a franchise that has unfortunately sucked for over three decades.

Tyrphanax said:

Discuss.

 I don't know. Abrams seems to be more of a star wars guy than a star trek one. And Episode VII isn't written by by the unholy trinity of Orci,Kurtzman, and Lindelof.

My god I forgot about TFN; I hear they permanently ban people now for preferring the OT over the PT.

SilverWook said:

They were turned into newts! They got better...

Every incarnation of Trek has it's very own Spock's Brain. In Voyager's case, that was it's own The Great Vegetable Rebellion. ;)

 Looks like "Threshold" will be the basis for the plot for the next Star Trek movie! Imagine Chris Pine turning into the newt, while the Borg attack Earth. (The horror...)

Gary Kurtz. He might be the real creator of Star Wars, and Lucas has revised his own story so much that the truth is forever obscured.

Dis george make Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker the same person just to spite Alec Guiness for not liking his role as Obi wan, thereforeaking the character a liar?

At least we will have a fixed version of Aliens much sooner than a properly restored OOT. 

And the revisions Kubrick did to his movies were not done decades after they had been in the public consciousness. And he didn't withdraw a clockwork orange from circulation in the UK just because it was some "rough draft" we weren't supposed to watch.

All you're talking about is whether or not Cameron is using the right set of paints. That issue will resolve itself years down the road. Lucas is burning down the whole art museum just because he happens to own the deed to the property. And Kubrick and Lucas should never be mentioned in the same context, ever. Kubrick was an artist, while Lucas is a sociopathic businessman who knows nothing about basic storytelling.

You know what, I don't care about whether or not Cameron made his movies with the wrong color timing. I guess I could see the difference if I trained my eyes to spot them, and I could understand it bothering me.

But what Lucas is doing to the OT is unique. I know few believe this, but I think he wants to spite us and make one of the most significant films of all time disappear off the face of the Earth. He lured us, and is now beating us for no reason. What did we ever do to him to deserve this treatment? Nothing. It was his plan all along to piss on the fans, it just took him twenty years to do it so he could fool us into thinking he was the hero while purging everyone else that made the OT great like Stalin did 50 years earlier. He is a stupid and evil man, and the tragedy is that when he passes away, it will be without any remorse for what he has done. 

Like I said, all Cameron has done is make everything teal and orange. That's splitting hairs compared to the SE.

At least Kubrick didn't add in a cgi cartoon character in 2001 to sell a new line of merchandise, or digitally insert Steven Weber over Jack Nicholson to fit in with the shining miniseries ;)

About the debate wether Lucas destroyed the original negatives for the special editions; I think that it could have happened. Most film makers would restore the negative before adding the special effects digitally. But since Lucas is dumb enough to make Yoda fight in the prequels, he surely must be stupid enough to splice the negatives of the originals for the special editions. Let's face it: years from now the original trilogy will be on Wikipedia's article on lost films.

How about Boba Fett? Since we're talking about Jabba, and rumors floating around the he escaped the Sarlacc pit, if done right he could easily show up.

FrankT said:

And it wouldn't have happened, either, if it wasn't for Disney's intervention! The only thing left to do now, of course, is to bring the OUT out of its moratorium.

 I agree. This will be all worth it if Disney releases the OUT. Even if the sequels totally suck.

Pre-97 OT for me, then any canon that existed before the publication of the new Star Wars guides ca. 2002.

I have a feeling they're going to ruin the OT all over again by reviving the empire, and resurrecting Darth Vader and/or the emperor. Abrams is completely incapable of doing anything original anyways, so he will revive the empire for marketing purposes. I mean how can they make a Star Wars movie without darth vader or stormtroopers? It would mean the film makes $150 million instead if $500 million.

Warbler said:

generalfrevious said:

The whole franchise is dead, and has been for 20 years (15 if you like DS9). No power on earth can make ST good ever again. JJ blew it up permanently. Does anyone honestly think Chris Pine will be as iconic as Willaim Shatner? STID was so horrendous it nullified any goodwill the previous film may have had. These new films represent everything wrong with our corporation-centric, one percenter, money is speech culture. Like I said, they should wipe these films out of existence; they deserve to be forgotten. Star Trek used to mean something to us. Now it's just some soulless product to make some rich Viacom CEO even richer.

 while I didn't think Star Trek Into Darkness was all that great, I think you exaggerate just a bit.

We live in one of the most cynical periods in modern history. Art is being destroyed by hacks like Abrams, and they get praised for ruining franchises. He makes Rick Berman innocent by comparison. Star Trek used to be just more than some silly low budget tv show; it was an optimistic look on humanity exploring the unknown world with others, and finding solutions to problems that did not boil down to punching the bad a hundred times, like in some dumb action movie. I don't think I can exaggerate too much in the death of science fiction as we know it. 

The whole franchise is dead, and has been for 20 years (15 if you like DS9). No power on earth can make ST good ever again. JJ blew it up permanently. Does anyone honestly think Chris Pine will be as iconic as Willaim Shatner? STID was so horrendous it nullified any goodwill the previous film may have had. These new films represent everything wrong with our corporation-centric, one percenter, money is speech culture. Like I said, they should wipe these films out of existence; they deserve to be forgotten. Star Trek used to mean something to us. Now it's just some soulless product to make some rich Viacom CEO even richer.

And it borrowed from Nemesis as well, with Nero wanting revenge for his destroyed planet (not to mention both villains were Romulans).

They even had the kobayashi maru test in that film.

Warbler said:

4 versions of STII?  I know of STII, Star Trek Nemesis, and Star Trek Into Darkness. What is the 4th version?   

 Star Trek 09

They just need to erase the abrams movies from canon. We don't need four versions of STII anyways. 

Can the franchise ever recover from JJ Abrams, or was TNG the last good thing the franchise ever did?

Tatooine is the most marketable planet on the franchise. Of course, we will see it in all three sequels because Abrams is all albout marketability. Why do you think he put khan into the latest Star Trek movie?