generalfrevious

Now that I've thought about it, aren't we overreacting a little too much to the fanfare change?

I may have gone too far in a few places.

But seriously, I don't think there's going to be any annoying kid actors in TFA, because where would they belong in the film? Unless they start doing flashbacks now in Star Wars films.

It's a shame that there are no kid actors appearing in TFA, because Jake Lloyd was one of the most promising child actors of his time. Too bad he starred in Jingle All The Way before his career-defining performance as Anakin in Episode I.  He got to work with the legendary George Lucas at the age of nine. Too bad he quit acting soon after the film's release; he could have given Osment a run for his money.

Or just play Jedi Rocks over the Lucasfilm logo. At least that would be a slight improvement over what is there now

When dealing with the Star wars franchise, anything can happen. 

But George Lucas gave such masterpieces as American Graffiti, THX 1138, Star Wars, and produced the Indiana Jones trilogy. John Williams is coming back to score the film. Ian McDiarmid is reprising his role as Palpatine. And that new character Darth Maul is sure to become as iconic as Darth Vader was in the Original Trilogy. Can't wait until Anakin gets into a lightsaber duel with him in Episode III and turns to the dark side. Man, first the Matrix blew my mind, and now The Phantom Menace is definitely going to be the best film of 1999. 

(flashback from September 1998)

I seriously doubt Episode I will be that terrible. I mean even Return Of Jedi wasn't that bad if you take out the Ewoks. It's not like the 80s when we had Caravan of Courage. I mean we're going to have Liam Nesson, Ewan MacGregor, and Samuel L Jackson in the new trilogy! We get to see Anakin before he became Darth Vader! And George Lucas is returning to the director's chair this time instead of that nobody Richard Marquand! Sure the Special Editions cast some doubt, but he's just trying to perfect his vision of the Star Wars saga. He's not to blame for Howard the Duck or Radioland Murders: he didn't have any creative control over those films. So I'm confident we are in good hands and Episode I is going to be just as good if not better than The Empire Strikes Back.

Bingowings said:

generalfrevious said:

Wait a minute, didn't Luke burn Vader's suit at the end of Jedi? We all know that, right?

 RWD

 Ok we're on the same as page.

Wait a minute, didn't Luke burn Vader's suit at the end of Jedi? We all know that, right?

SilverWook said:

Hayden delivered the performance George wanted. You can't fault him for that.

 I agree. Lucas should of based Anakin on how he was described in the OT, not some teenage psychopath rapist, let alone one named Ani. 

brash_stryker said:

Fang Zei said:

I was naively hoping that Fox's ownership of distribution rights on the existing films (and Disney's desire for them) could lead to a deal where that might actually happen. 

Same here, even though I knew deep down that would never happen. It's like with the Hobbit movies. I'd hoped that the licensing issue with MGM wouldn't impact on the opening New Line Cinema intro, so we could still have continuity with Lord of the Rings. Instead we get 35 seconds of 3 different logos - Warner Bros, New Line, and finally the MGM lion. Ridiculous.

The best we can hope for is that this was a rushed placeholder to prime us for not seeing the Fox intro anymore, meanwhile Williams is composing the actual new fanfare ready for TFA. My concern is that even as a rushed placeholder, the transition is so horrendous that I'm having serious doubts about their quality control process. If they can fuck up an intro, what are they doing with the movie?

 Star Wars and quality control have been mutually exclusive since 1983. Disney is just carrying on the tradition of impossible to fathom incompetence.

We always have to get the raw deal, the -∞/10 treatment, the absolute worst scenario possible when it comes with Star Wars. We have to do all the work just to watch the originals, we're stuck with VHS and Laserdisc when the rest of the world is in 4K and digital, and we have a franchise creator who laughs at every single one of our miseries. And now Disney comes in to make us pine for the glory days of Hayden Christensen.

Disney should do whatever they can to get the rights for the Fox fanfare. Because every single fucking employee at Lucasfilm have a collective IQ below 75 points. They won't hire you if you know how to count or read.

Here's what makes me cautious about TFA:

1. What worked in the late 70s/early 80s won't necessarily translate well for modern audiences.

2. JJ Abrams's last film was Star Trek Into Darkness; and the rest of his filmography isn't exactly stellar.

3. Harrison Ford hasn't been in a good movie since maybe The Fugitive, and the last time he played an iconic character it was Indiana Jones and The Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull.

4. Remember when we were excited about Episode I, and thought it would bring Star Wars back to its glory days? History might be repeating itself, as the motivations for making TFA are the exact same as Prequels 15 years ago.

SilverWook said:

Now you tell us?

 At least it's the best we're ever going to get, since an official release will likely never come (especially if Fox is stupidly walking away from the physical media market).

TV's Frink said:

generalfrevious said:

skyjedi2005 said:

108 dollars before government taxes and fees is how much the collection is on fios.  For some new bonus features, no thanks!

No original cuts of the movies no ability to rent only the special features.  Sorry no sale.

I would pay 90 bucks just for the original cuts of the original trilogy, with no prequels and no bonus materials, limited to no cleanup.  As long as the films had their original audio mixes, the original colors and original effects. 

It is so insane  that the last release was done in 1993. 

Lucasfilm can rot until the oot is released.

Disney's unwillingness to release the theatrical versions  of the original trilogy is going to sour the experience for me going in to see the force awakens.

Though they will not care as they will have my money.  Unless i am willing to boycott a film i want to see.  

 You're absolutely right Sky. The sad thing about holy grails is that no one gets them. The Force Awakens is going to suck anyways, OOT or not.

 Please Lord, make it stop.

Go to Lucasfilm and personally ask them to stop. They made me the repetitive, pessimistic person that I am on these forums.

I'm sorry to say this, but every change they make to the OT is always the most incompetent and terrible decision ever made by any human being in any point in history. I just want the version that existed before the 97 SE. You can get me to shut up if someone mails me a good fan preservation.

skyjedi2005 said:

108 dollars before government taxes and fees is how much the collection is on fios.  For some new bonus features, no thanks!

No original cuts of the movies no ability to rent only the special features.  Sorry no sale.

I would pay 90 bucks just for the original cuts of the original trilogy, with no prequels and no bonus materials, limited to no cleanup.  As long as the films had their original audio mixes, the original colors and original effects. 

It is so insane  that the last release was done in 1993. 

Lucasfilm can rot until the oot is released.

Disney's unwillingness to release the theatrical versions  of the original trilogy is going to sour the experience for me going in to see the force awakens.

Though they will not care as they will have my money.  Unless i am willing to boycott a film i want to see.  

 You're absolutely right Sky. The sad thing about holy grails is that no one gets them. The Force Awakens is going to suck anyways, OOT or not.

Those intros from the OOT are still the best though (I like the green Lucasfilm logo from the 70s). Of course the changes to the intros are universally negative, just like nearly any change to the OT. But I think that new intro is awful too.

Ronster said:

That is just very interesting... I wonder if there will be anymore?

George Lucus Strikes Back?

 I hope they get rid of the "NOOOO" scene from ROTJ.

And to be fair, I wasent really complaining about the trilogy being destroyed by George Lucas between late 2012 to 2014.

1. Does anyone understand what an Internet troll is?

2. I have been repetitive only because our situation as Star Wars fans has not changed since this website was launched. The closest we ever got to an official release of the originals was the GOUT.

3. My perspective is that most film companies (eg AFI, Disney,LOC) have acted as if the pre-1997 trilogy has never existed, and are bending over backwards to please George Lucas.

4. Lucas's involvement in the OT is tenuous at best, and the real people who made those films great have been literally purged from the official story.

5. I feel like the last person alive who cares about saving the pre-97 trilogy. So to everyone else my rants are seen as nothing more than ridiculous, because no one else seems to care.

Gogogadget said:

generalfrevious said:

I wouldn't be yelling my head off if the OT wasn't such a cultural monolith like the Sistine Chapel, the Mona Lisa, or Mount Rushmore.

 I really hope you're just a troll account, jesus.

 I'm sick of being pegged a troll over and over again on this site. George Lucas/ Disney have missed the point on how important the Star Wars trilogy is to our present culture. There should be only one version of this trilogy, and it is not the SE 3.0; since we live in the worst of all worlds, it has been slated for the incinerator and we have to stop it. Imagine if the French government decided to bulldoze the Louvre, or the Chinese decide to turn the Great Wall into a strip mall, or Paul McCartney decided to rerecord all the Beatles albums with Justin Beiber's vocals; this is the kind of cultural erasure we are up against. And I wouldn't be this passionate if those first three films were as of the same quality as the Police Academy or Friday the 13th films.

Danfun128 said:

Internet Provider, Internet Protocol, or Intellectual Property Legislative Colonization. Take your pick :P

 Legislative Colonization then. And meant intellectual property before.

DuracellEnergizer said:

TV's Frink said:

generalfrevious said:

TV's Frink said:

SilverWook said:

This thread deteriorated quickly. :/

 

 That doesn't change the fact that George Lucas is a psychopathic sadist who has been trolling his fan base for 18 years; and now the situation has worsened because Star Wars is owned by Disney, which means it will never enter the public domain, therefore threatening the fan preservations which are the only way the OOT still exists.

 Bully for you.  Could you please stop posting the same thing over and over?

Doomsayers have to be repetitively pessimistic. They'd be out of a job, otherwise.

 I wouldn't be yelling my head off if the OT wasn't such a cultural monolith like the Sistine Chapel, the Mona Lisa, or Mount Rushmore. Nobody in Hollywood realizes that altering these films and letting the originals crumble to dust is the great artistic sacrileges of our time. The Star Wars trilogy is not just some dumb Flash Gordon knockoff like George Lucas thinks, or just another minor IP Disney can exploit for profit. It is our mythology, and those three films must be protected at any cost as they were in those first 20 years of existence.

What if Disney made more changes to the OT for the digital release? If George can change ESB and ROTJ without the director's consent, what would stop them?

TV's Frink said:

generalfrevious said:

TV's Frink said:

SilverWook said:

This thread deteriorated quickly. :/

 

 That doesn't change the fact that George Lucas is a psychopathic sadist who has been trolling his fan base for 18 years; and now the situation has worsened because Star Wars is owned by Disney, which means it will never enter the public domain, therefore threatening the fan preservations which are the only way the OOT still exists.

 Bully for you.  Could you please stop posting the same thing over and over?

 Maybe if we lived in an alternate dimension and had the OOT.