generalfrevious

The jokes don't matter, because they are lost films now. George always hated us and wanted to destroy the negatives and mouth rape us with the Special Editions as the only films we could see. Disney has failed us and they are doubling down on the PTSE narrative that has hijacked the franchise for the last 20 years. The OT is gone forever and Disney is making sure any last pockets of resistance get flooded with cease and desist letters.

ATMachine said:

woofermazing said:

xhonzi said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Anchorhead said:

Indiana Jones And The Last Crusade.

The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly

The Dark Knight Rises.

Last Crusade and TDKR are weaker than what came before, but I have to admit they do make a decent fist of wrapping things up nicely, although there isn't any plot to wrap up in Last Crusade, as the Indy Trilogy are all self contained films. TDKR doesn't have much to wrap up either, as few characters crossover the 3 movies, although the League of Shadows storyline comes full circle.

Where as ROTJ brings all the characters from all the movies and all the threads together in one neat bow IMO

The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly, although excellent is just a third movie (as has been said above). It's not the conclusion of a third part story.... plus arguably it's a prequel ;-)

 I still think often about "Capital 'T'" trilogies.  I know I posted about them a few times here- but I only found this example: http://originaltrilogy.com/FORUM/topic.cfm/Act-Breaks/post/451754/

The BTS stuff for PotC2 is really interesting... they didn't write Curse of the Black Pearl to be a Trilogy opener, so they have to sort of backdoor into it to use it as part one of a proper Trilogy.  They discuss what was in it that could possibly be used to thread out into parts two and three.  Something along the lines of "let's not make sequels- let's make a Trilogy- and if there's nothing in the first movie that sustains that, then we'll just drop it."

Of course... not a trilogy anymore..

 

I actually consider Pirates 4 to be a sort of rewrite of 1. Most of the cast is completely new. The motivations of Jack and Barbosa change considerably from off-screen events in between 3 and 4. The Barbosa story line is new and different, he's looking for revenge and is more of a gray character than a pure villian. But Jack is back to trying to reunite with the Black Pearl as in the original film.

Oh, and an interesting tidbit on pirates 2/3. They were filmed together, and they did not have a script well into the start of production. They had a story arc, and the writers had a basic outline to do storyboards. But the writers had to tag along during filming and were often writing dialogue for scenes to be filmed the next day. So when some of the logic that the characters use to set up an upcoming scene makes no sense, that's probably why. It kind of works with Jack I guess because part of his charm is how his absurd schemes work out so well.

Jedi does this too, the plan to save Han just seems overly complex. I'd bet that the sail barge, Sarlac, and slave Leia were dreamed up first and resources were already committed to making them a reality. As a result our heroes weren't allowed to come up with a more logical strategy.

Actually, to judge from The Making of ROTJ, quite a lot of thought was put into Luke's ultimate plans behind the whole scheme to infiltrate Jabba's palace. The problem was that almost none of it ended up conveyed on screen.

 This is why we can't have good things anymore. They just had to make the third one the weakest of the trilogy didn't they? Then the PT came along and made the entire franchise rotten forever. At least when we had just the OT it was still mostly good. Now it's a festering corpse where we don't even have the real movies anymore.

We should lobby congress to get the OOT restored if the 4K scans are just for the SE only, and Lucas/Disney has a legal stranglehold on the originals. But I'm afraid Lucas deliberately destroyed the negatives 20 years ago as a big "fuck you" to all OT fans.

And 99% of the world doesn't care the real trilogy no longer exists.

woofermazing said:

NeverarGreat said:

generalfrevious said:

Alderaan said:

If you take out Jar Jar, The Phantom Menace is the best of the prequels. Not saying much, I know.

 Well, there's Queen Amidala's ear-bleeding robot voice, Jake Lloyd's cringeworthy performance, several interminable Jedi council/senate meetings, and the overlong podrace sequence no one actually likes.

But yes TPM is the best the Prequels ever got.

Hey, don't go putting words in my mouth! The podrace scene is actually quite fun in the theatrical version of the film, even if it does go on too long. In fact, I think that the entire Tatooine segment of the film would work well on its own. I wonder if someone has done an edit starting on Tatooine from Anakin's perspective.

Annnyyywayyy, how about them Ewoks?

 Heh, go watch the phantom menace deleted scenes. It could have been even longer!

Actually, the Empire and ROtJ deleted scenes are very interesting too. Lots of cringe worthy dialogue and prequel-esque pacing. The full versions of the han/leia tunnel scene and luke/leia medical center scenes are beyond awkward.

Good thing Marcia Lucas was there to edit it down into a decent film (she basically invented the SW franchise by saving ANH).

Ewoks: no opinion whatsoever. Don't hate them like older fans would :P

DuracellEnergizer said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Firstly, no he didn't and secondly... I've probably said this before but... ROTJ is probably the greatest and most wholly satisfying conclusion to a movie Trilogy that we have ever, or maybe will ever get.

There are plenty of original franchises with solid, or superior, second entries but only Star Wars is blessed with a third film as great as ROTJ... and that from a man who was trying his best to "deliberately sabotage" it ;-)

If ROTJ truly is "the greatest and most wholly satisfying conclusion to a movie trilogy that we have ever, or maybe will ever get", then Hollywood sucks more rectrum than I ever thought it did. 

 Or maybe it's just another third installment. Those never end up good.

And TDKR is just a bigger version of Batman Begins, much like ROTJ was a bigger version of ANH!

Plus the Dark Knight was the millenials' version of The Crow.

The Dark Knight Rises insulted my intelligence, and made me regret ever seeing the whole Nolan trilogy. With the sloppy continuity errors, the over the top writing, Batman sounding like the dad from Rocket Power, the fact that Bane wasn't the main villain after all wasting three hours of our time; and the stupid asinine ending where 12 million people are going to slowly die of radiation sickness while Bruce Wayne jets off to Europe with his girlfriend after faking his death pisses me off. Not to mention 90% of the film is spent with Bruce Wayne making a hundred failed attempts to get out of a fucking pit.

How is that better than ROTJ, let alone a more satisfying ending?

imperialscum said:

generalfrevious said:

That's the problem: George deliberately sabotaged this film so we could never have a perfect trilogy.

Nothing matters anymore, as the global warming will destroy us anyway.

 And we'll still be without a properly restored OOT!

That's the problem: George deliberately sabotaged this film so we could never have a perfect trilogy. ROTJ is the lynchpin of the entire franchise; depending on how you view it, the franchise went downhill either in the early 80s or late 90s, and is now either half bad or mostly bad.

Alderaan said:

If you take out Jar Jar, The Phantom Menace is the best of the prequels. Not saying much, I know.

 Well, there's Queen Amidala's ear-bleeding robot voice, Jake Lloyd's cringeworthy performance, several interminable Jedi council/senate meetings, and the overlong podrace sequence no one actually likes.

But yes TPM is the best the Prequels ever got.

kk650 said:

GlastoEls said:

^ ROTJ 83, 97, 04 or 11? ;D

The theatrical release of ROTJ, can do without Jedi Rocks :)

 I second the 83 version (the real one), cause Jedi Rocks is the worst thing about the Jedi SE. Even more than Hayden's ghost, Vader's NOOOOO, and Jar Jar saying "weesa free!"

I would just say start with 4-6, then jump back to 1-3 if you really want to watch them. Star wars wasn't meant to be episode 4 until years after its release, so you should just watch them in the order they were made instead of episode number, cause it's a mess otherwise.

JasonN said:

Hal 9000 said:

Apparently my Mac is too old to be able to access iTunes Extras. I guess the technical hurdles are too great for my machine to stream 480p "Legacy content." I heard from someone who did buy that the Legacy content is just the same SD video as the DVDs.

Sh*t..... that means that the deleted scenes are also highly likely to be the SD versions from the DVDs as well. :/

It's like Lucasfilms knows we're just chomping at the bit for HD versions of the deleted scenes so we can make better fanedits of the movies, so they're intentionally screwing with us, lol.

 Well that's what they've been doing to us for over 35 years. It's all a faustian bargain in hindsight: we will make the greatest film trilogy of all time, then destroy before your very eyes piece by piece just for shits and giggles. I mean by 2025 the GOUT will still be seen as the last official release of the real trilogy. They got us hooked like junkies, and they're pimping us out.

Where would the "sith" even come from if both Palpatine and Vader are dead, and there is that stupid rule of two from the prequels?

Did the prequels have any character as memorable as Admiral Ackbar?

Bingowings said:

Hayden Flambé presumably.

 Or maybe we were finally done with those Star Wars prequels! Out of all the six movies, I have seen ROTS the least. And I didn't like it when it first came out!

If you look at Metacritic ROTJ has a score of 52! Slightly worse than AOTC (53) and better than TPM (51). ROTS has a 68 for some reason.

The question is, how does Jedi measure up against the prequels? Was there less control than in the PT or was it equal?

But does this matter when we are still without the OOT? I remember a post made by a user on the forum lamenting the fact that in 2015 we'll still be stuck with crappy laserdisc masters while HD-DVD swamps the market. Well now it's 2015 and the former has come true. I don't care if it made marketing sense to not announce any news on the OOT; Celebration failed on that part to address what I believe the single most important issue in the Star Wars franchise: getting the OOT restored to its rightful pre-1997 place.

DuracellEnergizer said:

SilverWook said:

making peace with the prequels is key to a happy healthy life.

If by "making peace" you mean "shooting them dead and burying them in an unmarked grave in the middle of the desert", then I agree 110%. =P 

 The quality of the prequels have nothing to do with the unavailability of the originals. They're just bad movies, and not even the worst movies ever made.

SilverWook said:

Who are you, and what have you done with Frevious? ;)

 Same person, but the trailer proved me wrong.

Saw the trailer and it looks promising. Already I can tell that there is some humanity, completely opposite from trailers in the prequels.

I'm betting that the OOT will never be mentioned at Celebration. I mean why talk about an obsolete product that was discontinued 20 years ago that we ended up liking by accident?

Beatleboy99 said:

So would the 20th cebtury fox fanfare be included in a future release of the OUT?

 Not if Disney owns and/or distributes the the OUT on Blu-Ray.

However, if people complain enough, they might cave and put back the Fox logo and/or the old fanfare. Slim chance though on everything.

TV's Frink said:

Seriously, I'm laughing so hard right now. 

 Well you keep saying I'm repetitive. I have changed my mind and have decided while the new fanfare is not good, it's not the worst thing ever.