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Yoda by a longshot. Ben just trained him for five minutes on the Falcon, while Yoda trained him for almost half a movie.
Answer: the script was written in one draft by George Lucas weeks before shooting. Luke had to rescue Han because Lucas didn't want his most marketable character out of the third movie (they were going to rescue Han anyways at the end of ESB). Luke had to fight Vader and the Empereor again to tie everything in a neat bow because Lucas didnt want to make any more Star Wars movies; he wanted to shift his focus on Howard the Duck and Ewok merchandise.
I've been warning about TFA being possibly bad, because we've been burned before with the prequels. Hopefully history won't repeat itself, but this feels like the months just before Episode I. Plus there's the factor of Disney reviving the series to capitalize on the acquisition of the IP in the first place, but the Marvel movies were good, right?
Akton said:
It's not like we want them to blaze a trail in virgin territory. There is a precedent for what we're looking for.
Why can't they just do this, but with Star Wars?
Because George Lucas is not Ridley Scott.
They can't release the original versions now; the universe would collapse on itself within seconds. If they actually released good artwork for this, they would be breaking the laws of physics as we know it.
Don't worry; I remember the scene in the first Star Wars film where Luke and Han debated about the rise in spice tariffs in front of a blue screen, with shot/reverse shot camera angles. It lasted half the running time of the theatrical film.
Anyways, I hope I'm wrong about TFA being worse than the Prequels.
Darth Zanah is probably right.
SilverWook said:
Lucas did not direct Howard.
But he produced the film, Willard Hyuck and Gloria Katz were involved with American Graffiti and Temple Of Doom, and it was a passion project of his (even before Star Wars), so it is 100% a George Lucas film.
TV's Frink said:
Darth Zannah said:
I wouldn't worry about it...nothing can be worst than PM and AOTC...EVER
I've gotten plenty of PMs that were better than ROTS.
To be fair, most of us thought before seeing Episode I that George Lucas couldn't make anything worse than Howard the Duck.
Especially if you look at the special effects now: TPM's CGI looks like it came from the early 90s while in AOTC and ROTS it looks even worse in HD, more on par with most PC games from the same time period.That's the disadvantage of shooting everything on a green screen, you get the worst SFX in the franchise.
FrankT said:
When I realised they wasted Brian Blessed's talent in TPM. ...that took a while though.
Or, if it qualifies, when they changed the names of the original movies from just "Star Wars" to "Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope", etc. ...you can't do that! You can't just DO that!...
I didn't know that Brian Blessed voiced Boss Nass; I thought he would be that blue guy that stands next to the chancellor.
imperialscum said:
generalfrevious said:
We have lost. We are on the fringes now. We lost not because we were unwilling, but because Lucasfilm/Disney had better weapons.
Please Stop. This doesn't alter the fact that the originals are still unavailable.
SilverWook said:
There are plenty of people elsewhere who reject the SE's. It's not just us. I've seen comments on the HTF and similar sentiments on Twitter.
That still doesn't mean the OOT will be released anytime in the near future. I've been here for nearly ten years and we are in the same situation as it was back then. The SE still remain the only versions available, and when the GOUT was finally released, the originals were regarded as "bonus features" and not even up to the video standards of the time. That was probably the VERY LAST TIME they will ever be commercially available. And is there any film that deserves a proper release more badly than Star Wars?
We have lost. We are on the fringes now. We lost not because we were unwilling, but because Lucasfilm/Disney had better weapons.
FrankT said:
He's got a point there.
And yet everyone except the people on this particular website has accepted the SE as the ONLY version that will ever exist from now on.
The special editions should have NEVER existed inthe first place. Everything else would have been more tolerable if Lucas didn't add CGI and nonsensical scenes to decades old movies, and then wipe the originals from existence.
Just think, out of the 38 years that SW has existed as a franchise, we have suffered for 32 of them. And the suffering is far from over.
CatBus said:
generalfrevious said:
The only version that will exist are the 2011 versions
I'm surprised to be saying this to you, but you are not being nearly pessimistic enough. The 4K thread contains some pretty strong evidence that we'll see yet another variation of the Special Editions, based on a 4K 97SE scan, but with changes piled on top of that. The hydra still has a few heads left.
Well what changes could they make without George Lucas? Will Disney now put in bullshit changes of their own every seven years until the end of time? Then we have lost forever, straight into the dustbin of history. What a fucking horrible time to be a SW fan; we're drifting further and further away from the originals. Disney is now worse than Lucas.
Will the theatrical version ever see an official release? I think in ten years we will still be complaining about the originals still not being available on Blu-Ray or whatever format takes its place by then. The only version that will exist are the 2011 versions, and Disney will certainly purge any fan preservations by this point, because of Steamboat Willie.
the only option is to stage a protest in front of the Disney, Fox, and Lucasfilm headquarters until they release the originals. Maybe even occupy the Capitol to protest the currently ludicrous copyright laws that are destroying creativity right now. We've gone nearly twenty years without the OOT, and I'm not gonna spend another 20 without them.
Was your anger my fault somehow?
They only released the GOUT in the first place because Lucas wanted to stop the bootleg market. Maybe Disney will do the same thing down the road, or they could double down and shut down the fan preservations on the grounds of copyright infringement. Lucas deliberately sold the franchise to Disney because he knew they were draconian when it comes to copyright laws, and was just another way to suppress the bootleg market again.
If you released the originals in the first place, Lucas, there would be no bootleg market for you to worry about.
I've never watched Dr Who and even I know what a Dalek is.
TK-949 said:
generalfrevious said:
Just think, if Walt Disney was not bitter about losing the rights to Oswald the Rabbit, we could be enjoying the OOT right now as a legitimate release.
Copyright. Thanks to the Walt Disney Company it's the author's lifetime plus 70 years. Every time Steamboat Willie nears the expiration of its copyright Disney changes the law to avert this event. If copyright laws did not have this absurdly long time period the OT would have gone into public domain before the SE was released, and we would have the originals as they were.
Just think, if Walt Disney was not bitter about losing the rights to Oswald the Rabbit, we could be enjoying the OOT right now as a legitimate release.
ATMachine said:
So is there any actual new stuff (i.e., previously unseen) on the steelbook Blu discs, or is it just a completely shameless money grab with no redeeming value whatsoever?
Just thought I'd ask, for the record.
It looks like there is no new stuff that we know of. They repackage BDs in steel books all the time.
