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The AV Club has been doing Star Wars related articles all week:
http://www.avclub.com/article/star-wars-franchiseeven-prequels-work-weird-genius-228337
Although they rank ROTS over ROTJ
Here we have one radio station dedicated to Christmas music, and they at least have the courtesy to wait until the day after Thanksgiving. And they return to normal music the day after Christmas.
Before TPM was released, people said that it couldn’t possibly be worse than ROTJ.
I’ve talked to many people who were at least teenagers/young adults when TMP came out and no one had such discussions…
Still no one expected a Star Wars film to be not only bad, but a complete failure of a film.
I don’t know if this has already been said, but I would be upset if Luke Skywalker turned out to be Kylo Ren. That would ruin his whole arc in the OT.
That magazine article from months ago, it was either Empire or EW or Vanity Fair, had photos of Adam Driver as Kylo Ren without the mask on.
Are we sure about that? How about Kylo Ren being the son of Luke Skywalker?
I don’t know if this has already been said, but I would be upset if Luke Skywalker turned out to be Kylo Ren. That would ruin his whole arc in the OT.
Don’t worry though; ever since the celebration of Christmas was extended to two months Thanksgiving has gotten lost in the shuffle.
Next I’m going to be forced to go vegan.
I’m surprised you’re not one already.
I’m not, and never plan on being one.
I mean what can you do anymore? Siting down is bad for you, you can’t smoke, eat red meat, drink anything but water, half of the English language is racially offensive nowadays, and I can’t celebrate thanksgiving anymore because it offends Native Americans.
To top it all off, I don’t like this new change to the forums.
Guess I can’t eat bacon anymore, I might die faster:
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/cancer/glee-panic-yawns-u-s-reacts-report-meat-cancer-n451716
Next I’m going to be forced to go vegan.
Lord Haseo said:
generalfrevious said:
TV's Frink said:
WHAT IF TFA TRAILER IS AWFUL
I thought it was good.
..........never would I have thought..
I think I liked the last trailer as well.
TV's Frink said:
WHAT IF TFA TRAILER IS AWFUL
I thought it was good. Hope there's no trade negotiations in the final film though.
Neglify said:
generalfrevious said:
Did anyone celebrate Columbus Day last week?
I celebrated by doing the same bullshit I do every day.
He still murdered 3 million people, and is responsible for every miserable event in history since 1500.
Did anyone celebrate Columbus Day last week? Because he was the greatest mass murderer in history pre-20th century. He was the father of imperialism, and completely indefensible as a person. Nearly all of the native population in the Americas was wiped out by diseases he brought over from Europe, the tailspin of the sixth mass extinction started here, and the Atlantic slave trade could not have existed without him. If the masses knew the truth about Columbus it would produce anti-american sentiment at home, so they have to lie about the man to keep the country in line. Columbus wasn't the Stalin of the 15th century; instead, Stalin was the Columbus of the 20th century.
The Phantom Menace can't be explained because it only exist as nothing more than a first draft that was written after shooting the film. The misery of not only the franchise but the upcoming century was set in place. Not many people at the time realized how dark things were to become. There was never really a "bad" Star Wars film before this time, but the weights on the scale were being stacked against it and now it hangs in the balance.
This is why Star Wars is one of the most cursed franchises in the history of civilization. We'd be all better off if it never existed in the first place, and you'll all be on my side when Episode IX is released.
Lord Haseo said:
CatBus said:
Lord Haseo said:
I came to the conclusion that seeing as how bad the prequels were no one who's in charge of Star Wars would let such a thing happen again.
I reached the same conclusion, which is why my safe money is still squarely on "meh", 5/10, fairly disposable entertainment, far and away the best thing that's happened in the Star Wars universe in over a generation, and something I may still very well opt to skip entirely.
5/10 is mediocre verging on bad. 6/10 is more or less your description. And even a 6/10 is not enough in this day in age where anything that's not great is garbage in a lot of people's eyes. There's hardly any middle ground anymore.
Like I said, the internet has ruined everything.
The quality of TFA will affect the quality of Eps. 8-9 just like TPM's badness dragged down AOTC and ROTS. You need a solid foundation to make a great trilogy.
It's not my fault Disney is running the SW franchise into the ground even further than Lucas could ever imagine just a decade ago. Don't I have a right to be pessimistic, if corporations are destroying every single aspect of our lives? People like Abrams are exploiters, not artists. Does anyone understand that, or are they being paid under the table by Disney?
SilverWook said:
You are such a downer.
Are you going to see the movie or not?
If I see the movie, I would contribute to the decline of the film industry, and allow Abrams to exploit the public further for corporate America. If I don't see it, I'd be missing out and feel bad about it. I might see it anyways to back up my claims.
SilverWook said:
generalfrevious said:
SilverWook said:
Can't you wait until the movie is actually out before unleashing the gloom and doom?
Only ten more weeks to go...
Corporate art does not apply in this case. I don't need to see the film to know it won't be good, because TFA is not an artistic vision, it was designed as a product to make money for a corporation that already has too much money. Even the PT, misguided as it was, could be considered an artistic vision, albeit a terrible one.
Because Lucas never made a buck off of slapping Star Wars on everything in sight.
That's different; ANH wasn't some corporate product to exploit a recently acquired IP. It only became commercial because of a merchandising oversight, and didn't really kick into gear until ROTJ was released (Ewoks, remember them?). I agree, it went off the rails by the time the PT was released, but at least in the movies Lucas was trying to push the limits of CGI technology at the time. Where is Abrams's directorial vision in all this? He is just trying to copy the look of the OT and whitewash the failures of the PT. He can do nothing more than imitate the films of the past in order to exploit our nostalgia and sell more tickets; he is a monster that cares more about profits than art, and is contributing to the death of film as an art form. At least Lucas had some ambition, even though he lost his early talent along the way and became incompetent. In the end, I'd rather take an artistic failure than a good (but not great) blockbuster I won't care about a few months later.
SilverWook said:
Can't you wait until the movie is actually out before unleashing the gloom and doom?
Only ten more weeks to go...
Corporate art does not apply in this case. I don't need to see the film to know it won't be good, because TFA is not an artistic vision, it was designed as a product to make money for a corporation that already has too much money. Even the PT, misguided as it was, could be considered an artistic vision, albeit a terrible one.
Star Wars can never be good again; it's basically the Fourth Law of Thermodynamics now. And the corporate exploitation by Disney calling itself Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens is a perfect example of this. Look how we complain about the box art for every DVD release, or went hysterical when the score changed for the digital releases. The franchise has sucked hard for decades now, and one film directed by corporate lackey doing a third-rate Spielberg impression is not going to alter the course of a sinking ship. Does anyone think Poe Dameron or Finn are going to be as memorable as Luke & Han? BB8 is just the whole Jar Jar Binks marketing fas all over again, and Kylo Ren is just going to be another Darth Maul at best. We live in an age where the internet has permanently destroyed cinema, and with Marvel films starting to break down there is little hope this can meet anyone's expectations.
hairy_hen said:
I really want to see Jar Jar Abrams scratching his balls in 3D for two hours.
(It would be better than frevious' whining, anyway.)
I wouldnt whine so much if they took away the OUT, replaced it with the SE as the only version you can legally watch, and pile on three awful movies on top of that as well. Has anyone forgotten that the prequels came out 10-15 years ago?
Frank your Majesty said:
TDKR was supposed to be a lighthearted, humorous film? Wow, Nolan definitely failed at that, what a hack.
I'm not saying TDKR should have been an homage to the Adam West series, but it didn't need to be melodramatic and go off the rails into facist overtones. It's just as bad as Batman & Robin, but on the other extreme of the spectrum. But I'm getting too off topic here. No, Nolan is not replacing Abrams.
I'm concerned because we have lived through the prequels, and I don't want history to repeat itself again. In the 90s we all thought TPM wasn't going to be as bad as it turned out to be. Abrams has so far given us a weaker version of ET (Super 8) and a weaker version of Star Trek II (Into Darkness). We might end up with just a weaker version of the OT.
TV's Frink said:
generalfrevious said:
TV's Frink said:
generalfrevious said:
Abrams is going to double down on the elements from the Prequels I'm 200% confident.
Fixed?
Also, you seem to have confused "why will" for "what if."
Let me say this: at least Joel Schumacher didn't make a film as bad as The Dark Knight Rises. It will be the same with JJ Abrams, and the Star Wars franchise will be out of balance forever. You can't be optimistic about this franchise when you remember The Phantom Menace.
You're still confused about "what if," apparently.
Also, you clearly haven't seen Batman and Robin. Or Batman Forever. Or Bad Company.
At least they managed to have some sense of humor. Nolan can't make an unpretentious, lighthearted, humorous film if he tried. TDKR is just a dry run for the bleakness of Man Of Steel; plus TDKR boils my blood just looking at it it or listening to it.
On another note, Benedict Cumberbatch>Ricardo Montalban and Zachary Quinto>William Shatner.
TV's Frink said:
generalfrevious said:
Abrams is going to double down on the elements from the Prequels I'm 200% confident.
Fixed?
Also, you seem to have confused "why will" for "what if."
Let me say this: at least Joel Schumacher didn't make a film as bad as The Dark Knight Rises. It will be the same with JJ Abrams, and the Star Wars franchise will be out of balance forever. You can't be optimistic about this franchise when you remember The Phantom Menace.
Abrams is going to double down on the elements from the Prequels I'm 110% confident.
He is going to most certainly bring back Vader at the end of TFA because first, he isn't that imaginative a director to break out of his influences and second, Disney will demand it. And we're talking about Hayden Vader as well, so that means we'll be seeing a lot of his force ghost in the new trilogy, I'm sure of it.
That probably means no OUT either, because that would confuse audiences as to why Anakin got younger in between movies.
