emanswfan

AntcuFaalb said:

emanswfan said:

Let Naboo shine with technicolor color schemes and retro 35mm.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/40371

This really makes the EE halos stand out.

Some of the elements in the scene look like they were added-in in Photoshop with the "outer glow" style applied.

Yes, I know what you are looking at, it's certainly obvious around the edge of the flower vase thing on the left side.  I didn't add any sharpening whatsoever, but looking at the original those edges the artifacts are already there, it's just they just get amplified.  It's things like these that make this project move at a much slower pace than I would prefer.

I do hate the idea of prequels, but I atleast have to believe these films will still be far better than the PT.  I wonder if it would be possible to integrate these origin stories (and future ones) with existing PT material.  Maybe, one could have Han Solo in ROTS?

peter_pan said:

              "I'll also try to make the audio sound more on-set, as too many times voices sound dubbed."

 

Hi there, how would you go about this out of interest?

I've been working on some compression, natural reverb, and eq settings to make the dialogue sound correct.  I roughly seperate the dialogue from the music to do so.

timdiggerm said:

The grass is so vibrant that it draws my eyes away from the focus of the scene, the people.

I see what you mean, I could take the green down a bit.

I eventually will post some technicolor work in motion.

Here's another technicolor shot:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/40929

I'm not entirely satisfied with the skintones yet.

penguinofgreatness said:

Most of these shots look way too over sharpened. I understand the Bluray looks like crap, but while adding sharpening makes it superficially look better sometimes, you can't create detail when there is none (and trying usually just ends up creating EE artifacts). The best results are achieved with just color correction like Harmy's.

I know simple EE can cause artifacts, but if I do it the right way it can look better.  I'll post a video example at some point soon.

Let Naboo shine with technicolor color schemes and retro 35mm.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/40371

timdiggerm said:

Yeah, the blowout of the white areas in the R2 shot actually causes loss of detail.

Well, I actually was trying to make it prequel-like lightning (one of the very few things I do like about the PT), but the shot is hard as the bluray compression is just too low to do much tweaking with the shot.  I was going to just take down the blue's saturation down but it made artifacting so I had to pull up the brightness of the blue to hide it.  If I can get it to look not as fat, than I'll post a revised version.

C3PO and R2D2:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/40310

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/40312

Still working on improving the wide shot upscales.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/40308

Feallan said:

emanswfan said:

I guess I could go with Harmy's Despecialized, I just wanted to make the best picture quality possible which would have to come straight from the bluray itself.  Though if I did, it would be fully automatic as I could essentially just let it render the whole films with the same settings.

IMO you should go with Harmy's version. SE looking like 70mm film is nice, but it's still SE. I'd download your edit, be amazed by those colors and grain, and then see Greedo shooting first, or some other dumb change. :/

Now, DeEd edited by you could make us feel like we were in Senator Theatre. I love that colors, so it probably would be my favourite edit. :)

I have one request though. Could you edit one of these frames, so we could compare it?

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/40242

Darth Editous said:

 

Okay this is with the proper color space and just the detail enhancement. No grain or sharpening.

You say "no sharpening" but that looks a lot like sharpening to me - Photoshop Sharpen More faded to 50% (plus a little colour blurring) is practically indistinguishable:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/40229

DE

 

It looks sharper, but I never even added one sharpening filter.  I usually soften the picture more before adding the grain though.  Some of the earlier comparisons I did accidentally add post-downscale sharpening, which shouldn't be there.

It's scary how bad the original looks, considering this is bluray.  It looks like they just upscaled the DVD.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/40231

Darth Editous said:

I'm not clear what you really mean - adding noise may make it look more detailed, but there must be less information than before, unless you've actually gone in and painted those details in yourself.

DE

 

Okay this is with the proper color space and just the detail enhancement.  No grain or sharpening.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/40220

NeverarGreat said:

I'd say that every scene in the movie is too dark. You've done a good job removing the green haze and brightening the image, but it looks like Luke's shirt is still too red, and R2 may be a bit too blue.

JEDIT: Looking at it again, I notice that the shadows seem to be more crushed than in the blu-ray.

Yeh, I wasn't liking Luke's shirt and was still tweaking R2 a bit.  The shadows have more contrast, but they do not lose any detail from the bluray, they are brighter in the bluray but not brighter with detail.

Feallan said:

The concept is awesome, but why go with SE? Wouldn't it be better to wait for -1 relase, or maybe use DeEd?

I guess I could go with Harmy's Despecialized, I just wanted to make the best picture quality possible which would have to come straight from the bluray itself.  Though if I did, it would be fully automatic as I could essentially just let it render the whole films with the same settings.

DavidMerrick said:

Does anyone have the tools to apply emanswfan's process to GOUT footage or elements? His manipulations really make the images "pop" and I wonder if they would likewise bring out details in the LD transfers.

I'm not experienced with processing the GOUT so I'm sure I could get an image with less artifacts, if I did the correct way.

Here are two comparisons between my bluray player's upscale and my process with 35mm grain (not 70mm, just because it is too small to do anything to footage that was originally SD):

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/40155

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/40162

(Chromatic abberation is a bit too strong in the second shot)

I've always felt this scene was too dark with little shadow detail.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/40092

Hal 9000 said:

Huh. That's really amazing; it seems very counterintuitive that adding noise to the video would improve its look and seemingly bring out detail.

Does it really bring out detail, or is it just our perception? That's a serious question; it looks that great. 

Let me put on my dunce hat and ask a stupid question. Wouldn't 35mm grain be more authentic for the OT than 70mm, even if 70mm looks better?

Technically yes, but I really want to make the OT shine a bit more, plus I'm not making it with little grain.  It's still grainy (grainier than the Bluray's), but it's with a really fine grain, something too fine for 35mm.

And yes, there is actually more detail there, the grain just helps to fill in and remove any digital artifacts.

Darth Editous said:

It looks to me, based on the unaltered screenshots, like you've started off with video decoded using the wrong colour matrix. See this:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/40082

The "over" image is the raw BD correctly decoded with the rec.709 matrix.

Possibly not a massive deal if you're colour correcting everything anyway, but HD material should always be decoded to RGB with rec.709, not rec.601.

I sometimes wonder if a small part of the complaints about the colour of the blu-rays is down to this.

It's also why Ady's videos were the wrong colour on YouTube. YouTube always uses rec709, both for SD and HD (it should only really be used for HD). My guess is his videos were (incorrectly) encoded with rec601, which would then look fine on his player (some, again, incorrectly use rec601) but would be wrong on YouTube.

DE

Well, I usually edit from lagarith avi converted directly from the raw m2ts file, but here I just used VLC to take snapshots, as this isn't a project I'm directly working on right now.  That might be the issue, if it's not how do I make sure it's rec.709?

DavidMerrick said:

Apologies for simplifying for what you've done, but it's astounding how much the picture can improve with the basic premise of "throw some grain on that bitch."

No, that's fine.  I'm just saying simple grain thrown on wouldn't look that good.

Earlier shots with color correction:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/40009 (This one looks a bit too grainy to my eyes, even though I applied the same amount grain to other scenes.)

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/40015 (Like this one a lot, really shows you how crappy the blurays are)

NeverarGreat said:

The screenshot of Luke and Beru looks absolutely right, better than anything I have yet accomplished, colorwise. I would be interested in seeing these same color settings used on other scenes. You say that color correction is per scene, however it's my experience with ANH that practically the entire movie suffers from the same damaged highlights and oversaturated blues, suggesting that a single correction would go a long way to solving these problems, and only minor scene by scene color correction would be necessary to make each scene exact. In any case, incredible work!

What tools do you use for the color correction, if you don't mind me asking?

That's odd, because I've found that color correcting any of the OT is really per scene, especially since I want the each color to look correct.

For example, ESB's blue issues vary greatly scene to scene in terms of the skintones.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/40005

I use Speedgrade, AE, Magic Bullet Suite, and Photoshop for all the processing.  The workflow is still in-the-works for this project as it's still a concept (plus I need to focus on my PT one anyways).

frank678 said:

I would'nt mind seeing some more with colour correction also. (without opening the floodgates as I know you are working on the PT) Would you be using one setting for the whole film or working on some scenes individually?

Color correction is per scene, while grain and detail could be the whole film probably if I get it just right.  I'll post some of the same above with the color correction.

Empire Strikes Back Opening:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/39957

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/39960

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/39961

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/39962

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/39963