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#1337309
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Star Wars Prequels 35mm 4K Filmized Editions by Emanswfan (a WIP)
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TPM and TLJ Yoda puppets both don’t look quite right, but I still much prefer them over digital Yoda. Ideally you would have a puppet as the base and then CGI enhancements to that. Hell having a reference puppet in scenes where Yoda would have to be all CGI would help too.

Anyhow, I’m looking back on the grain, and I’m going to do more tweaking to it. The past two renders have used real grain plates, which while real grain, does have it’s setbacks given that it is a loop overlayed over the footage. The footage itself doesn’t have an impact on the way the grain appears, so in that case a digital simulation would be better, but that can be hard to pull off. So I’ll do more research and try to figure out a solution.

Also I was looking at some classic movies in 4K HDR on Disney+ and some of those movies had very similar grain levels to that of the renders some thought were too grainy, which makes me want to head more back towards that direction. Possibly, I could always have multiple grain options similar to what is the case for 4K77 and 4K83.

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#1337293
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Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4k UHD -- 27 DISC Boxed Set -- 3/31/2020
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I’ve been watching other new 4K HDR transfers of classic movies on Disney+ and almost all of them look infinitely better than the original trilogy. For a movie shot on film, it’s depressing how the 4K version of the original Santa Claus movie with Tim Allen has better use of HDR and left more grain in tact than these transfers of the original trilogy. A silly 90’s family comedy has a better transfer than these legendary movies??? What the heck?

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#1336587
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Star Wars Prequels 35mm 4K Filmized Editions by Emanswfan (a WIP)
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Did some more work on the grade for TPM today, still frustrated with it, but making progress.

Is there any place with a scan of a theatrical print or more images of it? I’m really curious what the contrast levels should be for a lot of the scenes, as well as the overall white balance to the image. In my current grade, some scenes look horribly flat while other times the blacks look crushed. Not to mention, my current grade is making white balance differences between scenes more apparent which I’m not sure is more accurate to the theatrical presentation or not.

I will say my current grade in some parts looks eerily similar to the new 4K version of 2001: A Space Odyssey in terms of colors, which I think means I’m on the right track.

Overall though, I think it’s important for me to establish a blanket grade for each film, not only for first releases, but as a base for scene by scene and shot by shot grading for the future releases.

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#1336377
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Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4k UHD -- 27 DISC Boxed Set -- 3/31/2020
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Honestly I really like the new colors for the OT, best I’ve ever seen apart from some of the 4K77 grades.

The real reason why it looks better, is the increased color depth and dynamic range visible even in an 8 bit SDR screencap. Plus there isn’t all the banding and video-noise in there from a poor scan like the 2004/2011 masters. Even if you apply the same grade to this footage to match a different release, this one will still look better.

Excessive DNR is annoying as hell tho. I like my film movies grainy. Just look at Bridge over the River Kwai on 4K Blu-ray for some beautiful grain.

DNR aside, having better quality source colors makes a huge difference to me. Between these new official masters and 4K77/4K83, it’s getting harder to watch fanedits and preservations sourced from earlier official masters.

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#1334616
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Star Wars Prequels 35mm 4K Filmized Editions by Emanswfan (a WIP)
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Rendering another preview, this time of the podrace. I’ve since done a major revision of the grade again, and I’m very happy with the results, though I find the colors of this section could really use a shot by shot grade, which is outside the intentions of this initial release, but will for sure be taken into account for the later releases.

JEDIT:

Here’s the preview:

https://mega.nz/file/PegmRQxQ#y8eTglgko0gIvgY2BR3304Bzzr4ZEO87ARoldr3JaY0

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#1333729
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Star Wars Prequels 35mm 4K Filmized Editions by Emanswfan (a WIP)
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I’m rendering out another preview tonight. I’ve since redid the whole grade, which is a lot more complex now, although I’m not quite sure I’m happy with it still, or am thinking it’s so much better.

Trying to bring up more shadow detail wasn’t as simple as a small adjustment to the previous grade. Personally those black levels look closer to something you might see with some theatre prints which have a dark filmic punch to them. But I’ve since tried to squeeze a lot more shadow detail in, although it doesn’t necessarily have the results I’m looking for.

Still, I want to see what you guys think about it before I go about working more.

A lot of my knowledge from working with the blu-ray applies here, but I’m new to working with 10 bit HDR-sourced footage, but I’ll say it gives a lot more freedom for color work over 8 bit SDR sourced material.

To clarify again, there are going to be multiple releases for each film, with different intentions. There’s a diverse set of options out there, so I’m trying to make different editions for different tastes, as well as for the fact that some versions will take longer or have more creative license.

This first edition of The Phantom Menace is a film-wide color grade straight from the disc, intended to recreate the look of your average theatre release print. I will release it in 10 bit SDR 4k, as well as 8 bit SDR 1080p. The 4K version will be rendered at a quality similar to a 4K Blu-ray disc, and the 1080p version will be rendered at a quality similar to a 1080p Blu-ray disc.

Later editions will go into shot by shot grading, and detail reconstruction via AI. But those will take a while.

I plan on releasing film-wide color grades of AOTC and ROTS as well after TPM, all before I move on to shot by shot graded and AI-enhanced editions of any of the films.

Here’s a screencap from the render:

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To note the grain looks heavier in uncompressed still images, when compressed into video the grain gets smooshed into the image more.

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#1333076
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Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4k UHD -- 27 DISC Boxed Set -- 3/31/2020
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These all look the best they’ve ever looked officially, but still leave a lot to be desired.

TPM still is DNR’d to hell, which just sucks. And adding grain back doesn’t really fix the waxy appearance. I’m trying to find ways to recover detail lost in the noise reduction, mainly with AI sharpening algorithms.

AOTC looks about as good as it can given the source footage was 4:2:2 8 bit, still the colors could be a lot better. You can tell the grading is lacking the quality that ROTS has.

ROTS looks about as good as a new movie sourced from a 2K DI. Colors are great still for a 2005 digital film, extra detail from the 4:4:4 10 bit source is noticeable.

The OT is the best I’ve ever seen in terms of detail, with the exception of the excessive DNR. Colors aren’t purist, which isn’t surprising, but for non-purist colors they still leave a lot to be desired. Still tho, this is an incredibly disappointing transfer compared to other classic films I’ve seen on 4K or even standard blu-ray. Just imagine how good these films would look if they were done by a company like Criterion.

I’m happy for major improvements, but we are still very far from having transfers that lives up to the legacy of these original three films.

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#1332581
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Star Wars Prequels 35mm 4K Filmized Editions by Emanswfan (a WIP)
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Here’s some test footage from TPM.

https://mega.nz/#!qLxAzCYb!0WnWHc9JtCHjiQIYMe1NZ00JCbKKGfI5C3OkwFXYT8g

This doesn’t have the sharpening/deblocking filter on it as that is a shot by shot process and is VERY resource intensive, and so is reserved for screenshots for now.

I redid the grading again: added a little blue and pink, desaturated the colors a bit. Increased grain and added a bit of flicker.

Much like the previous screenshots, these are first dips into working from the new 4K Blu-ray, so feedback is very much welcome.

I did look at the trailer posted earlier, and I did end up creating a look nearly identical, but I thought it looked too blue and desaturated and was really wondering if that was an accurate color corrected view of the trailer print. Still I pushed a little bit closer to what the colors looked like there, but still kept warmth.

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#1332151
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Star Wars Prequels 35mm 4K Filmized Editions by Emanswfan (a WIP)
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Here’s another one.

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Basically all these are this: HDR to LOG conversion, Custom LOG to Kodak 2283 LUT (previously built for TPM Blu-ray based originally intended for LOG footage converted from SDR), AI Sharpen, Film Grain

I still need to tweak the HDR to LOG conversion to better take advantage of the enhanced dynamic range and bit depth, same applies to the KODAK 2283 LUT. AI Sharpen settings have to be tweaked shot by shot. Film grain settings just basic right now, needs more tweaking.

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#1331910
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Star Wars Prequels 35mm 4K Filmized Editions by Emanswfan (a WIP)
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AveryADiaz said:

Hello, I’m new here! What settings did you use for FilmConvert? I am a aspiring Filmmaker working on a project and I would like to use this for my visuals.

Thanks for your time.

While I’ve tried this program in the past, I currently don’t use it. I primarily use the lumetri color panel found in premiere pro along with film emulation LUT’s made by myself and others. Red Giant products have also been useful.

Although, I just saw that they came out with a new product Nitrate, which I will be checking out.

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#1331903
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Star Wars Prequels 35mm 4K Filmized Editions by Emanswfan (a WIP)
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Octorox said:

emanswfan said:

It works better with close-ups such as this, but as you can see the DVD deleted scenes will look better than ever!

deleted scene upscale and basic regrade with film grain

Damn, once you finish these, I may have to update my Revenge of the Sith extended edition. Will you release a version with no alterations other than the upscale?

I plan on releasing ungraded upscales of all the deleted scenes, yes.