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As I’m only a visual changes guy, I’ve never noticed the 04SE voice change.

Harmy posted a new video of him recreating frames from scratch for ESB DeEd v3!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ-7pAf69j4

Yes, the 1997 Special Edition credits are the only credits now.

Nilbog said:

I figure ESB has the fewest amount of restored shots of the OT.

Depends on if you count every shot of the Battle of Hoth.

KurganX said:

Good to know! I appreciate somebody else checking this with me…

Which version is that above (the lower image), btw?

If the credits really are unchanged since 1997 (even on Disney+) that is as it should be, in my mind.

Right, the bottom is 97+.

David Prowse has never been left out of the credits.

The only change to any credit near him was adding JEJ in 1997. The credits have not been touched since 1997; Jason Wingreen, Clive Revill, they’re all still credited. No one who worked on any version since then is credited.

I mean, isn’t that’s why they call it “Legends”? Like the point is LFL officially saying “this may have happened, it’s up to you”. I’m not against them publishing New Legends books because the average fan doesn’t read the books anyway, but it makes sense for them to just keep in the New Canon timeline.

Hell, think of it like Star Trek and the Kelvin Timeline. Legends is a parallel timeline.

This is why I think that an interpositive or uncirculated print is probably the best way to get the actual OOT at this point. I would be afraid any rebuild would have too many modern strokes (don’t forget that every wipe in ANH and ESB was redone for the SE), or present the temptation to clean this or that.

jedi_bendu said:

In an seriousness, I disagree with the change but I do understand George’s motivation behind it. He didn’t want Han’s easiness around shooting because he felt threatened to be considered ‘cool’ or whatever

I just don’t understand how having them shoot a half second apart (then a quarter second, then a twelfth second, then at the same time) changes anything about Han’s appearance or motivation. Han still puts his foot up to block Greedo’s view. Han still plays with the wall to draw Greedo’s attention away. Han still pulls his gun out of his holster and change his entire mood once he has it out. He’s not doing any of that “just in case”.

If Lucas wanted to re-edit the meaning of the scene, he should have re-edited the entire scene. The single (now two) added shot changes less than nothing.

I think it is.

Except for Jedi Rocks and the Sarlacc Beak, almost none of Jedi was touched in 1997. A couple of recomposites, no new wipes, nothing like the amount of work they put into ANH and ESB. However in 2004 they recomposited the Rancor, so I would assume either Lucas is fine with the way the speeder chase looks or just didn’t want to spend the money.

NeverarGreat said:

George Lucas: When writing the movies, I tried to make sure that aliens and droids got killed, but not people.

Paul Duncan: A lot of stormtroopers died.

George Lucas: That’s right, but you didn’t know they were people. We did kill three humans and that was unfortunate. I was always bothered by it.

Paul Duncan: When was that?

George Lucas: On the Death Star, when Han and Luke go into the prison with Chewie to rescue Leia, they shoot three Imperial guys. The guards drew their guns and fired first, but it’s still a shame.

Paul Duncan: Really?

George Lucas: Yeah, we very consciously didn’t kill very many humans in those movies.

Paul Duncan: What about the stormtroopers? They look robotic, but they’re not.

George Lucas: How do you know what they are?

Paul Duncan: Did you have a different idea of what they were?

George Lucas: Yeah, they started out as clones. Once all the clones were killed, the Empire picked up recruits, like militia.

This is so strange to me. Are aliens and clones not people to George? Besides, what about everyone Luke blew up with the Death Star? I guess as long as we don’t see their faces, their death doesn’t count. And what about the good dozen Rebels gunned down by Stormtroopers in the first scene, or Captain Antilles who had his neck crushed, or crispy Owen and Beru…

Like, I don’t want to say this flippantly, but this seems like an artist in willful denial of the content of his art.

The guards do not fire at all, and one of them doesn’t even pull his gun out of the holster. He doesn’t remember anything about them because he doesn’t care. To be fair, he shouldn’t, because they came out 40 years ago, but he MAKES us care by changing it every few years.

The difference is that now he’s actually trying to sound different.

“It was a conscious choice,” Morrison says. “I thought, every now and then he hit some tonal qualities where, hey, he has been scarred. He has been affected internally, as well. So without sounding too false I wanted to bring a little gravel in there to give it a bit of timbre.”

While for the 04SE they called him on the phone and had him record dialog at his house with no thought or planning on his part, as far as I can tell. So he just did Jango. I so wish he’d thought to make Boba sound different than Jango back in 2004.

oh yeeeeeeah

They destroyed sets, yes, but the props are in the Archives. I can’t think of any model they trashed. Even pieces of destroyed X-Wings were glued back together and sold at auction.

G&G-Fan said:

He said them? I’m so intrigued now.

No, I know some details the public doesn’t know.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that! I’m not sure if he’s going to change his plans for the sake of the show, especially as good as his plans were. 😉

Nothing happening in Mando changes how poorly the SE change you refer to was done.

Remember, the only thing Lucas ever threw away was the original theatrical cuts, if you believe him.

He was making it in 720p, and isn’t going to start over again again.

Ady already justified this by allowing for a voice modulator in the helmet.

David Prowse was decades too old to play Anakin when they filmed the documentary. It’s not an option, even if it was available.

ray_afraid said:

Why would Ady’s extended battles not be in his own edit?
I can’t make sense of what’s being asked.

They’re asking for the fan editor to fan edit their own fan edit instead of fan editing the fan edit themselves.

9cames03 said:

I never noticed that the Death Star was in range of Yavin in the SE version. That’s going to bother me for the rest of my life.

This pleases me greatly.

I was planning on explaining the filming and the reshoots, comparing how little changed between the Lost Cut and the final cut, showing that GWL had plenty of time to think about and change his mind about the scene. I maybe should mention how he DID change Ponda Baba’s death, that might be a good idea…