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Handman said:

Last I heard, he has a YouTube channel and is doing well.

Indeed, he is doing well.

Are you offering to host one? Do you work for Lucasfilm?

I don’t believe the list of cuts were ever preserved. I imagine it was more a list of things the characters “wouldn’t” do, not a list of scenes to cut. He was the kind of guy who would want a ground-up rewrite on things he didn’t like.

Fang Zei said:

This actually brings me to something I was going to bring up earlier. We live in a post-#ReleaseTheSnyderCut world now, where something that no reasonable person thought would ever happen is now being financed to the tune of $70 million. The studios are all looking for ways to make money on the cheap with their business disrupted due to the current unpleasantness, and an OOT restoration would cost a small fraction of what AT&T is spending to finish the Snyder Cut.

Bingo. Nothing is impossible. #ReleaseTheOriginalTrilogy

All three ended up with shots and scenes not in the original films, and while folks can argue those changes involved aspects of the movies that Lucas had a problem with, many of them also conveniently line up with techniques that could be useful for the prequels.

And I’m watching the version where instead of focusing on the ghosts appearing for a few seconds and greeting one another, then Leia comes to get Luke, who winks at them as he leaves to rejoin his family, it’s the one where they focus on the ghosts, have Leia walk up, come back to the ghosts greeting one another, then comes back to Luke as he’s walking away. It cuts out the moments where Luke turns away from the party, where Leia has time to walk slowly up to Luke, where Luke winks at the ghosts. All of the little poignant moments are gone in favor of moving the film faster to the end. It’s very evident in splitscreen.

I may have been a little hyperbolic in my description, but I felt like attention needed to be brought that it’s not just the new planets, the entire ending is redone.

People remembering that fan edits don’t have to be canon? Is this still OT?

BedeHistory731 said:

doubleofive said:

KurganX said:

If adywan isn’t incorporating Rogue One into his edits, is he going to incorporate The Mandalorian?

I don’t care either way, just curious…

What would he incorporate?

Boba Fett not dying?

Oh yeah, not that Adywan needs to change things to match, but to NOT change things he already has planned. I see now.

KurganX said:

If adywan isn’t incorporating Rogue One into his edits, is he going to incorporate The Mandalorian?

I don’t care either way, just curious…

What would he incorporate?

As I’m only a visual changes guy, I’ve never noticed the 04SE voice change.

Harmy posted a new video of him recreating frames from scratch for ESB DeEd v3!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ-7pAf69j4

Yes, the 1997 Special Edition credits are the only credits now.

Nilbog said:

I figure ESB has the fewest amount of restored shots of the OT.

Depends on if you count every shot of the Battle of Hoth.

KurganX said:

Good to know! I appreciate somebody else checking this with me…

Which version is that above (the lower image), btw?

If the credits really are unchanged since 1997 (even on Disney+) that is as it should be, in my mind.

Right, the bottom is 97+.

David Prowse has never been left out of the credits.

The only change to any credit near him was adding JEJ in 1997. The credits have not been touched since 1997; Jason Wingreen, Clive Revill, they’re all still credited. No one who worked on any version since then is credited.

I mean, isn’t that’s why they call it “Legends”? Like the point is LFL officially saying “this may have happened, it’s up to you”. I’m not against them publishing New Legends books because the average fan doesn’t read the books anyway, but it makes sense for them to just keep in the New Canon timeline.

Hell, think of it like Star Trek and the Kelvin Timeline. Legends is a parallel timeline.

This is why I think that an interpositive or uncirculated print is probably the best way to get the actual OOT at this point. I would be afraid any rebuild would have too many modern strokes (don’t forget that every wipe in ANH and ESB was redone for the SE), or present the temptation to clean this or that.

jedi_bendu said:

In an seriousness, I disagree with the change but I do understand George’s motivation behind it. He didn’t want Han’s easiness around shooting because he felt threatened to be considered ‘cool’ or whatever

I just don’t understand how having them shoot a half second apart (then a quarter second, then a twelfth second, then at the same time) changes anything about Han’s appearance or motivation. Han still puts his foot up to block Greedo’s view. Han still plays with the wall to draw Greedo’s attention away. Han still pulls his gun out of his holster and change his entire mood once he has it out. He’s not doing any of that “just in case”.

If Lucas wanted to re-edit the meaning of the scene, he should have re-edited the entire scene. The single (now two) added shot changes less than nothing.

I think it is.

Except for Jedi Rocks and the Sarlacc Beak, almost none of Jedi was touched in 1997. A couple of recomposites, no new wipes, nothing like the amount of work they put into ANH and ESB. However in 2004 they recomposited the Rancor, so I would assume either Lucas is fine with the way the speeder chase looks or just didn’t want to spend the money.

NeverarGreat said:

George Lucas: When writing the movies, I tried to make sure that aliens and droids got killed, but not people.

Paul Duncan: A lot of stormtroopers died.

George Lucas: That’s right, but you didn’t know they were people. We did kill three humans and that was unfortunate. I was always bothered by it.

Paul Duncan: When was that?

George Lucas: On the Death Star, when Han and Luke go into the prison with Chewie to rescue Leia, they shoot three Imperial guys. The guards drew their guns and fired first, but it’s still a shame.

Paul Duncan: Really?

George Lucas: Yeah, we very consciously didn’t kill very many humans in those movies.

Paul Duncan: What about the stormtroopers? They look robotic, but they’re not.

George Lucas: How do you know what they are?

Paul Duncan: Did you have a different idea of what they were?

George Lucas: Yeah, they started out as clones. Once all the clones were killed, the Empire picked up recruits, like militia.

This is so strange to me. Are aliens and clones not people to George? Besides, what about everyone Luke blew up with the Death Star? I guess as long as we don’t see their faces, their death doesn’t count. And what about the good dozen Rebels gunned down by Stormtroopers in the first scene, or Captain Antilles who had his neck crushed, or crispy Owen and Beru…

Like, I don’t want to say this flippantly, but this seems like an artist in willful denial of the content of his art.

The guards do not fire at all, and one of them doesn’t even pull his gun out of the holster. He doesn’t remember anything about them because he doesn’t care. To be fair, he shouldn’t, because they came out 40 years ago, but he MAKES us care by changing it every few years.

The difference is that now he’s actually trying to sound different.

“It was a conscious choice,” Morrison says. “I thought, every now and then he hit some tonal qualities where, hey, he has been scarred. He has been affected internally, as well. So without sounding too false I wanted to bring a little gravel in there to give it a bit of timbre.”

While for the 04SE they called him on the phone and had him record dialog at his house with no thought or planning on his part, as far as I can tell. So he just did Jango. I so wish he’d thought to make Boba sound different than Jango back in 2004.

oh yeeeeeeah

They destroyed sets, yes, but the props are in the Archives. I can’t think of any model they trashed. Even pieces of destroyed X-Wings were glued back together and sold at auction.

G&G-Fan said:

He said them? I’m so intrigued now.

No, I know some details the public doesn’t know.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that! I’m not sure if he’s going to change his plans for the sake of the show, especially as good as his plans were. 😉