doubleofive

For comparison's sake:

Original:

VADER: What is thy bidding, my master?
EMPEROR: There is a great disturbance in the Force.
VADER: I have felt it.
EMPEROR: We have a new enemy -- Luke Skywalker.
VADER: Yes, my master.
EMPEROR: He could destroy us.
VADER: He's just a boy. Obi-Wan can no longer help him.
EMPEROR: The Force is strong with him. The son of Skywalker must not become a Jedi.
VADER: If he could be turned, he would become a powerful ally.
EMPEROR: Yes. Yes. He would be a great asset. Can it be done?
VADER: He will join us or die, my master.

2004 DVD:

VADER: What is thy bidding, my master?
EMPEROR: There is a great disturbance in the Force.
VADER: I have felt it.
EMPEROR: We have a new enemy, the young Rebel who destroyed the Death Star. I have no doubt this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker.
VADER: How is that possible?
EMPEROR: Search your feelings, Lord Vader. You will know it to be true. He could destroy us.
VADER: He's just a boy. Obi-Wan can no longer help him.
EMPEROR: The Force is strong with him. The son of Skywalker must not become a Jedi.
VADER: If he could be turned, he will become a powerful ally.
EMPEROR: Yes. He would be a great asset. Can it be done?
VADER: He will join us or die, my master.

Siliconmaster482 said:

Personally, I have no problem with the new lines. As much as people may pretend the prequels never happened, the added lines do support the assumption that Vader did not know what had happened to his child(ren). With the old lines, it appears he already knows Luke is his son. I mean, it's up to Ady, but IMO the newer ones are one of the SE changes I agree with.

The thing is, if Vader is running around the galaxy saying "The Rebels are there, and I'm sure Skywalker is with them!" and the opening crawl saying how obsessed he is with finding young Skywalker, I'm pretty sure that unless he forgot his old last name, he knows that Luke is his son.  In the original version, it could be interpreted that the Emperor is just upgrading Luke's threat level, while in the new one he's basically telling Vader that Luke exists, when it's obvious that Vader knows already.

The same thing happened to me, but if you put the < br > inbetween the lines it will add the line breaks as needed.

GoodMusician, using your powers of audio editing, any chance you could give us a re-edit of Ian McDiarmid saying most of the original lines from Clive Revill's performance?

Ady already has 1080p copies of the 2004 version, I assume from the cable/satellite rips.  The last few shots of ANH and all of ESB have been done using these copies.

If a break for Ady means a 720p version of ESB (which is as high as my HDTV goes anyway), then I'm all for it.  1. It's a break, which he needs and 2. It'll be better for everyone in the long run.  Even if you say you can't tell the difference between DVD and HD signal, I believe that if you looked hard enough you'd be able to tell.  Besides, mastering in higher than DVD resolution just means higher quality DVDs as well.  On a whim this morning I plugged my flash drive into my Xbox 360 to see if it could play yesterday's preview: flawless.  I watched the first few minutes of ESB in the highest quality I've ever seen it at home and I crave more.

Ady, thank you for your hard work and dedication to this project.  I hope that you'll stick around and give us your opinions during the break.  You know, stop some of the arguments before they start.  Of course, if you read some of our suggestions, you'll probably end up tinkering with it, then it wouldn't be much of a break now would it? ;-)

EDIT: Ady, you said that you're only correcting the color on the opening crawls.  So you're not recreating them from scratch?  Why not, too hard to get it just right?

It was jittery on my dual core PC also.  The price we pay for awesome quality.

Holy blinking Taun Taun!  Nice work!

Kurgan said:

Can someone refresh my memory... in that Executor shot... what is the context of the scene? Where is the Imperial fleet supposed to be during that shot?

(ie: a clue as to possible light sources)

They are sitting around waiting to hear from their probe droids.  The shot I mocked up immediately follows the same SD getting covered by the shadow of the SSD and is immediately before the huge reveal of the full ship.

HotRod said:

003.25 all you need to do now is a moving shot....Come on man, show the skills!!

 

 

I have the knowledge but not the technology, Rodimus Prime.  It makes me sad.

Here's another mock-up of both the darker Star Destroyer and a Super Star Destroyer that better matches the lighting in the next shot.

That was a shot I mentioned earlier as needing better lighting on the Executor, so I'll probably make another mockup tomorrow with that worked on.

I used to say the second one, until I was corrected by my linguist roommate, so now I say it like an estate sale.  It's definately supposed to be pronounced like that.

Here is my mock-up:

I had to make the shadowed SD a bit bigger, but not so much you'd notice.  No other adjustments were made.

That was way too fast.  Don't expect such a quick turn around time very often.

I was taking screenshots for ImperialFighter, and I noticed something:

That shot of the Star Destroyer underneath the Executor that isn't shadowed is the same shot of the Star Destroyer that gets hit by the ion cannon, but its shadowed in that shot!

Maybe the element from the Hoth shot would be better suited for under the Executor.

GoodMusician said:

It's hard to say. You could argue either way... without knowing the history of Boba, I would say that he was close to his father, and that wouldn't want to remove himself from his father by getting rid of his accent. But we could create a whole story line for why he changes it... lol

I've already been tempted once to write Expanded Universe for Revisited (like how did that Battle Droid get to the Sandcrawler?), don't make me think more about it.  It'd also be interesting to learn more about the planet the Death Star is orbiting in ANHR, what was it called?

HotRod said:

 

U got that straight!!

 

Musicman...after listening to your little clippy there, I gotta say "Get the f**k outta here"

Only joking man, still think the original voice is by far the best. But I would say that, he's my great Uncle!

He probably would be a great uncle, but that's a weird comparison to make...

Wait, are you actually related to Wingreen?  That's pretty cool.  If only you were related to Morrison and could convince him to redo his voice for us...

What you could do is record him saying Jango Fett's lines, then we'd have Wingreen doing all of the masked Fetts!

The timing is off in a big way.  One would have to stretch out Morrison's performance without it sounding really bad.  I wish there was a Kiwi here who happened to be friends with Morrison, and could rerecord him on a better day...

Kurgan said:

So more people are okay with Han Solo's pants changing from one movie to the next, but they want the TIEs to be all the same color, as if the TIEs associated with the Death Star are the default color for the TIEs in the rest of the galaxy? I think it's good that Han Solo doesn't always wear the same clothes (that could get smelly), and that the Empire doesn't always use the same paint job.

Point taken about the TIE Interceptor being a seperate instance from the TIE Fighters in ESB/ROTJ.

 

 

As for changing the color of the Executor... no, just no! We don't need to look to the video games to tell us how things are supposed to look in Star Wars.

 

Do we have to change things to make them all look the same? Basic consistency is one thing, making everything too bland and similar is another (like if somone wanted to remove all the color markings from the clones and battle droids in the prequels; or making all the lightsabers/blaster bolts the same color).

Variety is cool... anyway, that's my opinion.

I don't see anyone around here who wants the TIEs to be the same color as the ones in ANH.  Honestly before this discussion, I never noticed that they were blue in the other movies.  It's become that I don't care what color they are, as long as they are consistant from shot to shot.  Vader can have an Elite Purple Squadron, as long as they are purple in every shot.

That's awesome Sumatra.  It's one thing to find pictures of the models online.  It's quite another to have someone go and take pictures specifically for Adywan to figure out which shade to have the TIE fighters.

Had anyone told me a few months ago that I would be reading arguments as to the shade of blue of TIE Fighters, I would have said they were crazy.  Now its how I spend my free time.

So, ImperialFighter and I are collaborating to put screenshots to some of his "quality control".  I am posting these pictures on his behalf, and he should be along shortly to comment on them.

By the way, does anyone have a PAL to NTSC timecode translator?  I found that his timecodes were off a lot farther than I would have guessed!  Hope you enjoy his commentary, I'm sure I will!

My coworker just said that he's going home to burn his DVDs right now.

Incredible work.

I say the words "at at" for AT-AT, but I  say "ay tee s tee" for AT-ST.  I just watched Robot Chicken's Star Wars Special commentary, and Seth Green called it an "at at", then later called it an "ay tee ay tee".

Guess it all comes down to personal preference.  I mean, Lucas calls Han "Haan"...

Kurgan said:

doubleofive said:

Kurgan said:

Example of a lens flare in ESB:

 

 

Ah, pastel sabers. Reason enough for it to be Revisited.

 

That's from the GOUT.

Oh.  Still, it needs to be more consistant.

Kurgan said:

Example of a lens flare in ESB:

 

Ah, pastel sabers.  Reason enough for it to be Revisited.