Star Trek Remastered never affected the plot, only enhanced it. They tried to fix mistakes and redo the space effects, not make the Gorn shoot first. Sure, some of the motion is pretty bad, but overall I think STR worked out rather well.
This is probably going to get me killed, but did Star Wars SE really change the story that much? I always thought that the stories were the same, it was just some of the effects.
The thing is that SW:SE it tried to change the story in tiny ways: Greedo shooting first, Jabba meeting Han and repeating what Greedo just said, Hayden at the end of RotJ. Things were added to make it better fit with movies that came later.
ST:Remastered never tried to add things from any of the shows that occurred after it or before it. One alien ship is reminiscent of the Enterprise version, but there aren't added references on the walls to Captain Archer or Phlox. It still stands alone as "The Original Series", not part of a larger saga.
Adywan - Just to clarify, do you mean you would still prefer this sequence featuring some 'mock-up' proposals, put on here, rather than GoodMusician's thread?
I know you didn't want a seperate one for them, and I'd suggested to doubleofive that we ask yourself and GoodMusician if we could perhaps put it at the end of his related Adywan's'Empire' edit:SUMMARY CONTROL one, where the ideas are gathered in an at-a-glance manner. Basically, because we wouldn't have been restricted with the screenshot sizes we then chose. There are indeed 63 shots in total, but we have a compromise in sizes ready for this main thread if you still wish it on here. We would show the 'mock-ups' at a certain moderate size, and the 'unaltered' ones would be done in a smaller 'thumbnail' manner. This is still okay to show what I intended, and won't take long to scroll down past at the end of the day.
Thanks for offering to put a link to them on your first page, but that isn't really necessary, as it is really just something showing some ideas that you may or may not like, for you to consider along the way. If we were indicated to put them on a seperate thread or GoodMusicians, we were just going to indicate on here where they were, so that everyone else could go to have a look too, if interested. I can't wait to see what you end up putting in these 'mocked-up' areas yourself (if anything at all!), but it's just to show a couple of possibilities that don't need extensive, complicated work (easy for me to say!) for you to mull over.
Either way, the whole thing is very nearly ready, and I will make time to add the comments (or give them to doubleofive to also include for me) very soon, for you and others to have a look at.
If you can post the screenshots in here then that would be best then we can use GoodMusicans thread to remain as text based which will make things easier. Don't worry about the screenshot sizes. just post them whichever size you were going to post them
I have the forum code ready and everything uploaded to Photobucket (which I've not used before, I hope everyone can see them). I also sent the code to Imperial Fighter, so either way we're going to try to combine them together the best we can. He may have forgotten some things, but we could just edit the main posts.
I too, can't wait to see what you do with these suggestions, because we worked hard on these, mostly because we tried doing it pretty unorganized through random emails. If there is a next time (which there might be!), we're going to plan this out much better, streamline it a bit. If you're interested, of course.
I hope these live up to the hype ImpFight and I are making...
I'll add a teaser, some unaltered shots to test Photobucket for everyone.
of course go for 1080p if that's what makes you happy - i'm sure if you don't, you'll regret that in a few years
what i wonder is - am i the only one who thinks the dvd pic looks better than the 720p???
I think that there's not enough noticable difference in 720p to 480i to make that worth it if you just go by that screenshot, but the difference between the 1080p and the 480i is pretty awesome.
My vote is, YES for 1080p! It's as close as we can get to "future proofing" this edit for future generations! Future generations who deserve to see every thread in Ozzel's hat!
I have 63 screenshots of varying sizes of particular sequences from the film. Then ImperialFighter, to save space, will just comment saying "Shot 7 is where blah blah blah" so if they get separated it could be very confusing.
Alright, ImperialFighter and I are in our final stages here, and hopefully IF can approve the final tweaks and we can get this posted this afternoon (tonight for those in the UK). We were still pondering ideas on how best to post this. I could post them all on here in 4 or 5 parts, then ImperialFighter would comment on them and you'd have to flip back and forth if they were separated. Or we could take over GoodMusician's Suggestion thread for a bit and just have my pictures and ImperialFighter's commentary over there, with the discussion continuing over here. Whatever is best for Ady, of course.
Never Noticed that, And what's with the "Yellow glow" on Luke's X-Wing?
Just another bit of inconsistant engine lights. From every Star Destroyer having white lights in this movie as opposed to blue in ANH and ROJ, to the Executor's lights going from red to orange and back, to the Falcon having blue light sometimes (especially noticable in the SE shots) to having yellow or white most of the other time.
You'd be surprised at what motion stabilization and proper color matching of sources can acccomplish. I think using the GOUT PWNAGE avisynth script, upconverted to 1080 lines of resolution would look just fine. I'm just speaking from experience, watching test encodes mixing 480p non-anamorphic and 1080 high def images. Especially when it will just be the cloud car element, put through a stabilization script, I think you can pull it off easy. Then again, maybe an entirely new fx shot is necessary.
I think that since the clouds need to be redone in one of the shots anyway, Adywan might as well just rebuild this whole shot from scratch.
A bit off-topic, but here's something from ComingSoon.net:
ComingSoon.net caught up with DreamWorks Animations CEO Jeffrey Katzenberg on Tuesday and learned that George Lucas is looking to repurpose the six "Star Wars" episodes into 3D format.
Katzenberg told us that Lucas is very excited about it and that he's got the technical resources to pull it off. "He isn't going to put a product out, I think, that isn't anything other than first rate," Katzenberg said.
PT and SE OT badness...right in my face! I have no idea how people would go about editing them. Haha. Might be more about simply removing things rather than full effects editing and such, unless they have access to the same 3-D technology so their work won't look out of place with the rest.
Ok, back to ESB...
I wasn't going to mention it, but since you did I just want to point out Katzenberg's quote about Lucas: "He isn't going to put a product out, I think, that isn't anything other than first rate."
Star Trek Remastered never affected the plot, only enhanced it. They tried to fix mistakes and redo the space effects, not make the Gorn shoot first. Sure, some of the motion is pretty bad, but overall I think STR worked out rather well.
I love Ewan McGregor's performances in the prequels, but I have to say that he had some duds of lines. A coworker and I are on a kick where we yell at each other:
"But haven't you noticed?! The shields are still UP!"
There was some talk a little while ago about a multi-disc cover for this set. Did anyone finish one?
I adjusted doubleofive's cover - the one that looks like the Vintage action figure cards - to list the features of both DVD-9 and Purist but I haven't uploaded it anywhere. 005 - OK with you to post it?
The rest of the ones I've seen have been either DVD-9 specific or generic enough that it could work for any version, single or multiple.
1080p will be awesome. i've only got a 720p screen but I'm bound to upgrade in the next year or so. presumably it will be available inkv format. this seems to be the format of choice for these monster files.
dunno why u guys bother with discs with their fail rate and compatibility issues. just hook up a pc/laptop to your tele.
Because I can't hand a 12 GB avi to a friend as a present. :-P
Honestly, I still have all the versions of ANHR (well, the NTSC versions), and I probably will have all of the versions of ESBR as well. Heck, I'll probably burn a DVD-9 Blu Ray disc even though I don't have a Blu Ray player. I know I'm tempted to for Ady's unaltered versions right now!
Are you thinking about DVD-DL Blu Ray playable disc?
Oy, that would definitely be an online purchase for me, since the hicks in my half-a-horse town probably don't know that such a thing is possible. And how many have Blu-Ray recorders? The few here that do would be working overtime on that.
I meant the DVD-DL versions that Adywan is putting the 1080p unaltered (well, unaltered from 2004) that plays normal on a Blu Ray player.
How many versions are you thinking about here, Ady? 1080p uncompressed avi, DVD-9 Blu Ray, DVD-9 NTSC, DVD-9 PAL, DVD-5 NTSC, DVD-5 PAL, and XVID? Are you hoping to finalize the film first so we don't have so many differences like between the XVID, DVD-5, and DVD-9 of ANHR? This all sounds like a lot of work for you!
