doubleofive

I've always thought how funny it is immediately after that line.

"Set your course for the Hoth System.  GENERAL VEERS!  Prepare your men."

The way he spins around to find Veers standing right next to him is funny.  If Vader had spun around pointing at Veers thinking he was further away, he would have knocked him right over!

But that just might be me...

Darth Solo said:

You know where i sit with this one Imperial Fighter ;-)

Though can i throw in the suggestion, the first mock up you posted shows six destroyers on screen, yes, but looks rather random, and as if they are are there for the sake of just being there to sell the shot. I know im being a little to analitical with a rough mock up shot (BTW).

Notice how Han can see that  "the fleets beggining to break up" just after, suggesting the stardestroyers follow a flight path of sort, therefore cloning and scaling of any one destroyer (to a degree) would be acceptable, or even needed (i dunno myself really, and is debatable i guess).

For example, i slightly doctored your image to show the armada, with a scence of flying in formation just not totally universal, without being too in your face, if you get my gist!

EDIT) Which sounds totally arse after paying a bit more attention to your second mock up as that sort of gets what i was going at (i got a bit excitable after the first shot, sorry). Though, its interesting that you didnt clone any of the destroyers whatsoever.

Solo, that last set weren't mock ups.  The set on this page are merely unaltered screenshots of what's actually in the movie.  ILM threw those 5 Star Destroyers in that shot, which float around aimlessly the whole time.  ILM forgot that three Star Destroyers were headed towards the Executor with only two in the next shot.  These are things that need to be fixed, but we posted them to point out the huge number of Destroyers that are already in the movie.

Just a note: I try to mark my mockups with "Mock-up by doubleofive" so that people don't think its either an unaltered shot or an official Adywan screenshot.  To avoid confusion like this. ;-)

plastique45 said:

Hi, I created this account just to ask you something. I just saw your edition of the first Star Wars and seeing that you are redoing the second one, I really have to ask if something would be possible for you to modify.

It is something that has always bugged me about the movie since I saw it in 1980 in theaters and every time I saw it on videos after. Maybe you have addressed it already, I didn't know how I could find it in the 108 pages here.

When the rebels escape from the snow planet at the beginning, you have that huge canon fire a gigantic laser bolt at the imperial ship coming in on them (you have it pictured a few posts back). You expect something awesome to happen but all you see is a bunch of electric-like bolts surrounding the ship's model and it drifts away. I mean, I understand that back then they needed to keep that huge model intact for many more shots and that was an economical way of doing things but it just looks awful and cheap. It's something that Richard Edlund did on many gigs.

 

Thanks

Welcome to the boards.  Hope you stick around.

The thing with the cannon is that its an "ion" cannon, meant to short circuit all of the systems on the ships, not destroy them.  It may have been the Rebellion's way of reducing innocent casualties even for their enemies.

GhostAlpha26 said:

Ziz said:

I'm not so sure about "not enough Imperial presence".  One of the things the films deal with thematically is the Empire's arrogance, that just the fact that they're there should be enough to scare people.  To that end, they don't send everything they've got to every battle, just what they think will be needed for the situation.  All they expected to be escaping from Hoth was a couple of slow, bulky transports, a few fighters and the Falcon.  From the Empire's perspective, the Falcon was the only one that was a challenge - the rest were fish in a barrel.

 

 

I feel the same way, the SSD was enough "Shock and awe." Put it in any fleet and thats enough presence in my opinion.

But if you'll all notice, we didn't add any additional Star Destroyers to the fleet.  It's just that after Shot 001, we added what those same ships should look like to "deploy the fleet so nothing gets off the system."  The only Star Destroyer we see in the blockade is all alone, then gets ion cannoned.  There should be at least 2 others according to previous shots of Vader's fleet, plus the Executor but we don't see any of them until they are chasing the Falcon to and through the asteroid field.  Then there's at least 3 others unless they fixed the ion cannoned ship, with two collidiing or nearly doing so.  Then there's 2 next the Executor, then one gets destroyed in the asteroid field, then there's 2 near the Executor, then 3 go off into hyperspace.  We have evidence of more than one Star Destroyer at Hoth with as many as 7 if they couldn't repair those that were damaged, so I think a more impressive blockade of Hoth might at least show one Star Destroyer in the background not getting disabled.

The thing is with the interior of the ship is that they're looking out what is shown to be the side of the bridge, not the front, so unless the Star Destroyer was orbiting the planet sidewides, the shot doesn't work currently.

And just to be clear, I just did what I was told concerning these shots.  I like all of the Hoth shots we posted, but I'm not so sure about the Bespin ones.  I believe that I ended up agreeing with Savage on the point, but ImperialFighter (and me too) was just trying to show Adywan all of the opportunities he could take.

It's like a great burden has been lifted off my shoulders.  I feel sorry for those on dial up, but Adywan said we could post them however big we wanted!

Looks great, ImperialFighter.  It was an honor working with you.

I just want to take this opportunity to point out that in shot 46, you can totally see through the X-Wing.  And I also think its selfish that Luke is flying away from Hoth all alone, instead of escorting any transports, but that would be pretty hard to do.

I despise the space battle at the end the least.  It's the only reason I watch the movie.  To see the Enterprise-E firing every possible weapon trying to find the cloaked Scimitar is one of my favorite images of all the movies.  I still giggle when they get the report on the bridge that they are out of torpedoes.

Then they ruin the whole scene by ramming the Scimitar and ruin that by having Data jump from one ship to the other.  Then they ruin... well, you get the picture.

Of course, if Ady can sculpt Ponda Baba's flipper, he could definately sculpt horns for a wampa.  That would solve the HD problem, and he could make them look however he liked.

ImperialFighter - email me if you're having size problems with those pictures.  There should only be two sizes: "ImpFightxxx" should be full size 480p and "ImpFightxxx-1" should be the smaller version.  All of the codes should read like: [ url=http://blahblahblah/ImpFightxxx.jpg ] [ img=http://blahblahblah/ImpFightxxx-1.jpg ] [ /url ] except for "First" through "Fourth", which are backwards.

I agree with the deletion of SE wampa.  Just as Jaws wouldn't be the movie it is today if the shark had been seen the in first scene, so Empire was better off with an unseen beast lumbering after Luke, instead of a guy in a suit "nom nom"-ing away on a huge chicken leg.

Josh insists we come and welcome you back, Trooperman.  I've not read much about your project, but redubbing Anakin sounds like a huge chore!  I would be interested in seeing this clip you want to post.

Not I.  I just have it on the DVD-9.  Someday I'll play with ripping DVDs so I can try my hand at some editing, but not today.

I think LadyFerry is speaking of the "deleted scene" version on the DVD.  Erik's archive version lacks the cracking from Star Trek: Enterprise.

In ImperialFighter's patented bolding important things way, here is what he means:

Adywan - It was really nice to see that you added 'horns' to the 1st 'original' Wampa suit scenes near the beginning,

 

 

to tie it in better with when we see it in the 'ice cave' scene.  However, I see that there is a bit of doubt over them so far.  As this is one of touches that I personally hoped to see included, I'd like to offer a last suggestion on this aspect -  Firstly, as we have seen these shots so many times over the years, every addition is going to pop out at first.  However, I always wished that the various 'looks' of the Wampa had been more uniform overall.  As far as your added 'horns' on this preview go, I think you could amend them a little, so that they are even better.  What I think could improve them, is if you did the more rounded, more tapered, and more 'gnarly' ones that seem to start quite thickly, higher up on the sides of the Wampa's head, that were seen on the SE suit version.

 

 

The ones that you presently have, reminded me immediately of the shape of the 2nd 'original' Wampa suit, as seen 'lunging' at Luke, just before he cuts it's arm off.

 

 

I always thought that was the least- successful looking version of the suit, and the horns, along with it's 'sticking up' ears....  I see that in the initial reveal of the Wampa, that you have indeed added the other ear, so that it protrudes noticeably, just like the 2nd 'original' suit....but I think this is not as good a look as where we see LESS of the ears in the 1st 'original' suit, and that they look better half-glimpsed, and closer to the fur....as seen even in the SE version of the suit.

I think that since you're probably cutting out the SE suit, it's better that it matched the "2nd 'original' suit" (actually the only original suit since the first is a puppet) if anything.  Seeing the horns at full speed on YouTube looked good, but I'm not sure how it looks at full 1080p.

Again, I think its fine if they were different wampas of perhaps even different sexes.  Like the female hunts while the male eats at home, like lions, but the horn differences more like the difference between cows and bulls.

Bingowings said:

The horns look fine to me but I was looking at it on my laptop.

It's a shame that a edit can't be done (presumably because of the soundtrack cues) so that the impact that Luke notices is actually the Probe droid landing (which he assumes is just another meteorite).

Probe enters the atmosphere Luke sees impact but gets attacked by Wampa, Probe rises out of crater, would be my prefered order but that's a lot of work for very little story flow.

I've always figured that Luke is watching the probe droid land, even from childhood.  I mean, they both have the exact same plume of smoke that shoots out, just from another angle (which Adywan's flipping shows is actually the same angle).  The editing you mentioned would be cool and I wish we could do something like that, but it wouldn't really work with the movie starting following the probe headed for Hoth.  I think Luke seeing the probe is what they intended, not just a "meteor".

My problem now is that the General mentions all the meteor activity, but we never see any meteors, just one probe droid twice!  I think I mentioned it before, but it'd be cool to have some meteors falling in some of the scenes outside, and maybe adding a few in space headed towards the planet.

adywan said:

Octorox said:

doubleofive said:

I couldn't resist posting the two changes I noticed.  I won't directly put them on here till everyone has had a look, but I'll post the links for the curious:

Change 1

Change 2

change 2 looked really shopped in that video. I guess HD is a lot less forgiving! Of course, it's still in early development as well.

actually thats the best i'm going to get it at the moment. trying to find horns to match the wampa is hard enough but to get them in HD res then thats the killer.i ahven't got a clue whwre i'd find some horns to match or come even close. i had to use a mixture of wampa & taun taun to do those shots.  then tracking those shots...man thats tough. if you think it looks crap then if i can't get it any better then i'll just have to drop it. This is the big hurdle i have to face now i'm working in HD. its a whole new ball game.

I've heard ideas given that the wampa that brought Luke to the cave is a different one that tried to stop him from escaping.  Perhaps even different sexes, like the female would have small tusks from the side of the mouth while the males have horns that come from the top of its head, or vice versa.  Honestly, I would just scrap it, though the tracking looked really good at the half speed I watched it at!  I'd hate to lose all that work I'm sure you did, but it may be for the best.

Besides "TEMP" no longer being written on the macrobinocular readout and the video of it flipped to match, there isn't anything else I noticed except some better color in a few places.

I couldn't resist posting the two changes I noticed.  I won't directly put them on here till everyone has had a look, but I'll post the links for the curious:

Change 1

Change 2

This Dagobah discussion brings up a question I had looking at all these screenshots for ImperialFighter.

Are there any plans to bring some more color to Bespin?  I mean besides better color balance.  It just looks so much like every other planet in this movie.

As for Dagobah, maybe you could put some cloud cover on the E3 one?  That would keep the two planets from looking so much alike.  I don't know, there's just so many CLOUDS in this movie...

adywan said:

doubleofive said:

Fjodin said:

Adywann, why you have decided to return original Boba voice... i mean he is a clone of Jango and his adult voise should be like jango and clones... or not?

 

Basically, it comes down to Temura Morrison's Boba voice was literally phoned in, and he just didn't have the same emotion for the lines.  So Ady's logic is who's to say that clones sound exactly like their "parent" or that Boba's and Jango's helmets maybe have a voice modulater built in.  The plan is to redo the voice of JANGO in the prequels to better match the OT, as it should have been in the beginning.

you said it all for me :)

Trying to save you time, sir.

Fjodin said:

Adywann, why you have decided to return original Boba voice... i mean he is a clone of Jango and his adult voise should be like jango and clones... or not?

Basically, it comes down to Temura Morrison's Boba voice was literally phoned in, and he just didn't have the same emotion for the lines.  So Ady's logic is who's to say that clones sound exactly like their "parent" or that Boba's and Jango's helmets maybe have a voice modulater built in.  The plan is to redo the voice of JANGO in the prequels to better match the OT, as it should have been in the beginning.

I just compared the new mkv (which I had to run at half speed on my poor laptop) with last month's 720p, and I think I found a few differences.  I'm not sure I want to put them up here, just yet, to let others have the joy of finding them.

I'd like to think ImperialFighter and I already helped out with one of the changes, and another is very subtle, but I love it.  It's so hard to be vague!

-1, can you stream it straight to your 360 or do I have to convert it first?

My HDTV and 360 will soon explode with delight!

And hopefully ImperialFighter will get our project up this weekend, and we'll have plenty to talk about in the next week.

zombie84 said:

Remember when we said "yeah Lucasfilm will probably charge $200 for this", and we laughed and laughed?

Well no fucking joke--this coffin costs FOUR THOUSAND DOLLARS!

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/?page_id=4489&sku=900184

Finally, I can use this quote and it be slightly on topic:

"FOUR THOUSAND?!  I could almost buy my own ship for that!"

Seriously, that's a lot of money.

adywan said:

Doubleofive & ImperialFighter, how are the pics coming along?

The pics are uploaded and ready; ImperialFighter is currently trying to find time to write out his descriptions around them and post them, hopefully tomorrow sometime.

It's out of my hands at this point.  I'm nervous for it...