doubleofive

seventiesfilmnut said:

Hi there folks!

Watched the Empire Strikes Back GOUT last week and came up with a few suggestions which may be of interest/use. Apologies if they've been mentioned before, though I have done my best to check.

1) I was always slightly disturbed that upon Luke's crash he doesn't seem concerned with Dack (OK fair enough it may be obvious he's dead but...) and appears to just grab the grappling hook just before the walker mash! It might help this scene a tad if one of the "Daaackk!?" lines from the scene where Dack is shot is taken out, and then inserted as Luke is rummaging in the downed snow speeder, prior to jumping out the way in the nick of time. It would show Luke is double-checking if Dack is really a corpse, and add a bit of... I dunno... loyalty to one's co-pilot in this scene, rather than Luke just searching for the hook and that's all.

Sevb32, I just listened to the Radio Drama last week and it just has a Rebel tech announcing to Leia what he sees on the monitor like a play-by-play commentary.  Like: "Skywalker has been shot down, but he dives out of the way as the walker steps on his speeder!  Skywalker grapples up the bottom of a walker... AND IT'S DOWN!"  I'm not sure one of Luke's shouts would work though, as Luke already yelled and didn't get a response, so why would he still yell...  If I recall correctly, doesn't he check Dack, then grab the grappling hook after he sees the walker bearing down on him?

2) After the generator on Hoth is blown up, is it possible to make the lights dim momentarily in the corridor that Han is rushing through, to show the instant before the emergency lights kick in? Or perhaps if possible add a reddish tint to the corridor scenes to indicate emergency power?

This would be awesome.  I thought it was strange that they lost their generator but they still seem to have full power...

3) After the first walker is downed, notice the walker behind it - the head swings around in an EXTREMELY fake manner. Perhaps this could be slowed down or altered in some way? I think more laser fire from these walkers would also intensify the situation a little - like the near constant barrage of laser-fire in the Genosis fight in Episode II?

I love the barrage of laser fire on Geonosis, but it might be a little too much coming from just 5 or 6 walkers.  If there were troops on the ground also, yes, but not just from the walkers.

4) When Luke is trudging through the snow and then turns around to see the Falcon make her escape, the timing is slightly off as he follows her path. Is this fixable?

I believe Adywan said that he can fix that.

5) The Vader in the cave scene has always been pretty spooky, but I think it could be enhanced more. After the head has been severed and rolled to a stop, a nice scarey hissing sound of breath escaping the mouth would add to the atmosphere, as would some whisps of smoke from the neck stump, and curling out of the nostrals and mouth - reckon this would really ramp up the shocking nature of this scene, in the same way Adywan did to the severed arm in the Cantina scene in ANH-R. Maybe white out his eyeballs as well or have them sith-coloured?

Smoke would be awesome, but Sith eyes have already been discussed and shot down.

6) When one of the holographic images of a star destroyer captain meets his demise due to an asteroid strike, perhaps add a Wilheim scream as his image flickers out?...

LOL yes.  I'm always up for more Wilhem Screams.

7) There should be some kind of alarm noise in the background of the star destroyer scenes to indicate the high-alert/danger status of something that big flying through an asteroid field!!!

Maybe they silenced it, because that would get annoying after a few hours.

8) Backing up a tad, in the "doors must be closed" scene, you can see the doors closing behind Chewie just before they are meant to close! They then start again in the close up!!! Can these be 'frozen' somehow in this scene to correct continuity?

Yes, continuity.  I believe this has been pointed out, but it doesn't hurt to make sure.

adywan said:

The Golden Idol said:

ladyferry said:

AuggieBenDoggie said:

Ady, regarding the request of Yoda's facial expression, why not try out a sample scene just for the hell of it to see how it would work out. You could do a split screen and show the difference. It would be interesting to see how it would look. If the effect isn't distracting it just might work.

 

 Like TOTALLY! (oops, do I sound like some valley girl or what?)

 

 Yes, please do this!

I might just do this once i have finished the colour correction. I can't wait for that part to be finished. i have so many things i want to try out

I too am eager to see what concepts you come up with.  The Alderaan Destruction Concept is one of my favorite parts of ANHR and it didn't even make it in!

I still have those sheets!  I used to switch between them and my RotJ sheets when I was growing up.  Admitted I don't use those sheets anymore, as they don't fit our queen-sized bed--

Oh my gracious, these come in queen.  That's incredible.  Still don't think my wife would appreciate it though...

My dream is to fly to England and make a documentary with Adywan.  That's just a dream though.

Adywan has tried audio commentary, but it was going to take up too much space on the DVD and he doesn't like the sound of his own voice (I can understand).  The text commentary goes through more than an audio one would anyway.  It'd be nice to have both (like the Star Trek movies do), or a seperate documentary, but I don't think it would happen.

The XVID is PAL speed, isn't it?  That would make sense...

He denies speeding it up any.  Just better cuts.

ChainsawAsh said:

Quick question:  Other than improved lightsaber effects and new music, what did Ady do to the Obi-Wan/Vader duel in ANH?  I don't remember it being any different other than those two things.

He actually did a new edit of it.  I can't recall specifics, but I think there are tighter cuts and some rearranging.  Quite nice, especially when you didn't notice.  Can't do that to ESB, since the fight is pretty linear, instead of two old guys spinning around in one room, who then move next to an open door.

DMaarten said:

cas_tanje said:

 

 

Hello guys, my first post here! :D

I have spoken to Adywan on Youtube, and asked him some things. Most of these were already added to the list, so there are only four things left that I would like to be added:

- Give the lightsaber duel a faster pace. (I didn't see it on the list?)
- Change the interior of the ships (on Hoth?) So they look more like the prequels
- Let the platforms of the ships (Where the people walk in and out the ship) go down more smoothly (In Cloud City etc.)
- Add more ships to Cloud City

Excuse me if they are already on the list. And Excuse me for my bad English, I hope you can understand me xD.

Cas_Tanje

My forecast:

1 not gonna happen, the fight is good as it is

2 not gonna happen, the interiors are fine, the prequels suck :)

3 like it, would be better if it is smoother faster

4 also good, since a LOT of people live/work there, just no overload, just a couple more here and there

 

3. I'm not sure how many loading ramps go down on Cloud City, but the Falcon is a "piece of junk", therefore I don't think anything should be smoothed out about it.

I've been looking at the clouds recently and thinking of doing what Josh has done, but I figured that somewhere in Ady's arsenal there has to be a camera and there have to be clouds in England.

Right?

porkinsred6 said:

Hello All

  I found the Revisited Trailer on youtube last week and have since tracked down this site, downloaded the XVID and DVD-5 and read all 256 pages of this thread!  This is one of the most amazing achievements I have ever seen!

Unfortunately I do not have a DL burner so I wouldn't be able to watch the DVD-9.  However, I really would like to see the special features from the DVD-9, especially the "making of" where Adywan explains how he made his masterpiece.  Is there a place where one can download the special features without having to download the entire DVD-9?

 

Thanks,

porkins

Welcome to the fold, Porkins!  Although there is no "making of" like you describe, there is a multi-angle view comparing a scene from the 2004 DVD, the unaltered DVD, Ady's foreground elements, Ady's background elements, and Ady's full Revisited.  It's pretty neat to see all the work he put into just those few minutes.  Another neat look is the Visual Comparison I have posted in my signature, which goes through every visual change in the movie with some text commentary.  Ady did not make an audio commentary or full making of feature, though we begged him to do so.

The DVD-9 is worth it for the the multi-angle thing I already described, and some deleted scenes and concepts, along with a higher quality film in general (with a couple changes from the DVD-5 you can find here).  I would suggest finding a friend with a dual layer burner, or you could download daemontools, which lets you mount iso files as virtual DVDs on your computer.  Then you could watch the DVD-9 on your computer without burning anything!  It's pretty neat.

I can't find the article, but I read that ILM redid the Yoda shots in TPM to get back into practice for doing RotS.  I found a video on YouTube that inserts the few seconds of CGI Yoda into the existing scene.  And I have to say seeing them side by side only reinforces the fact that the puppet they made for TPM is messed up in every regard.

I played the demo as well, several times in fact, and I have to say that its a lot of fun.  However, I don't think I can justify $60 for a game without multiplayer, or at least a sandbox-like environment.  Assassin's Creed had the open environment I crave, but after I beat it without multiplayer it was pointless.

That being said, I'll probably rent The Force Unleashed and blow through the campaign, but unless there's multiplayer or co-op or something, it's not worth my money.

We have a two year old Silky Terrier named Berkeley.  Silkys are cousins to Yorkshire Terriers, but they get a bit bigger.  Berkeley is about 8 pounds now.  Originally my wife wanted to get him and I was against it, but she convinced me and now she’s mad because the dog likes me more than he does her!

Well, that’s an understatement.  I can’t go anywhere in the house without him following me and he sleeps next to me at night.  He also can’t stand it when I leave the house, or basically do anything where he can’t see me.  It’s like having a kid, but one I can keep in a kennel when I’m at work. ;-)

For Halloween my wife and I are planning on dressing as Leia and Han, and I’m considering making a bandolier so he can be mini-Chewie.  I’ll take pictures and post them to the inevitable Halloween thread.

SithTrooper said:

GoodMusician said:

 

I wish there were a way to keep track of the things we've conversed about... so we don't keep getting the same damn questions over and over again... it makes it sooo difficult for me to keep up especially. 

 

 

Is this what you're looking for? .... http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Adywans-ESB-edit-Suggestion-Terminal/topic/9477/

 

I think GoodMusician was being sarcastic.  He runs the Suggestion Terminal. :-D

nohandluke said:

Secondly, in the opening shot of Echo Base where Han rides up to the cavernous entrance on the Tauntaun, I don't recall if it was an SE addition or an Ady addition, but the Rebel Soldier standing straight up and holding the gizmo near the turret - well, he kinda looks mannequin-like. I think it's his "stillness" and his pose. I know he's "moving" in the shot, but in the span of the footage at a glance, he kind of looks like a cardboard cutout.

Every other element in that shot looks perfect. The guy with the cannon control box just isn't meshing as well.

The guy with the macrobinoculars is an Ady add from later on in the movie.  I think that the average viewer won't notice his not moving since they'll be watching Han entering the base in the background.  Our experienced eyes are drawn to that which is new since we've seen it so many times.  And if he did the exact movements that he does later on in the movie, it would be more obvious of a cut and paste job.  I imagine that he is just very vigilant!

Oh, and you should show us your Vader costume when you're done, maybe in another thread.  Unless its so accurate that you're planning on inserting yourself as Vader's hologram to Veers...

adywan said:

also the idea of the ships shooting off into hyperspace (sorry i can't remember who suggested this) is a pretty good idea. i may include this.

That was me.  Yay for me!

it is going to be impossible to do the revisited saga in HD. I've been doing a lot of wok in FX testing (which i won't be showing since it looks fake) and because i will have to be using so much SD elements to create these edits, upscaling them to HD makes them stick out like a sore thumb. I just wouldn't be happy releasing anything that looks so inferior to what could be achieved by working in SD. I can't apologise enough but its a very difficult decision i had to make.

You know, as excited as I was for ESBRHD, it makes sense to have to have it scaled back down.  When people were asking about doing ANHRHD, I thought through all of the changes in the visual comparison, and wondered how you would be able to recreate any of that in HD when you used all of those elements from the GOUT.  And not being able to use ANYTHING from the GOUT would really hurt the final product of ESBRHD.

So I'm fine with ESBRSD.  I'm just as excited about it as I always was.

-005HD

Back to the discussion last night, I meant "Star Trek Remastered".  Obviously had this project on the brain.

Nice going teharri.  I like the dynamic shot much better than the two seperate ones.  That was one thing Star Trek Revisited was good at, cutting down on, well, cuts.

Ripplin said:

teharri said:

if someone could post a clip of it that would be great so everyone can see it. If I knew how to rip it I would.

If you want to do it quickly just to show people what you're describing, maybe just record it with a digital camera or something? :p You're showing us the scene, not the quality, so it doesn't matter if it's just a camera video.

 

If nobody gets to it this afternoon, I can post screenshots of it when I get home in a few hours.

rlockhart said:

I thought he had mentioned doing ANHR in HD on the ESBR thread any know for sure.

He had mentioned something about it being very cold in Hell before that happened, but halfway through his color correction only of the HD broadcast he hinted that it might happen.  I don't know how, Adywan used the GOUT too often to make it possible.  Erasing the Ronto from walking in front of the landspeeder required several layers of the GOUT that wouldn't scale to 1080p very well.  He'd also have to redo ALL of his CGI in HD, including all of the Rebel tactical readout as they watch the Battle of Yavin and the TIE approach...

He would basically be starting from scratch, having to recreate every single shot again.  I'm not discouraging him from doing it, its just that I wouldn't hope too much on it appearing out of nowhere.  It would be another two years of work.

That was the longest between a double post I've ever seen.

8:50 AM - 11:54 AM

Shadowman99 said:

After a bit more thinking I have some more notes of the second shot in the SD Collision sequence:

Good call on those other two Destroyers.  I can't believe ImperialFighter missed them! ;-)

Just teasing IF!

AuggieBenDoggie said:

I think this is getting to a point to where things are getting over analyzed. Some of the things that are getting pointed out have never ever bothered me, like the situation mentioned above with General Veers and Vader. No offense to you guys, it's just seems like your suggesting edits that are really unnecessary and make no sense. I think that alterations would be warranted if there is direct flaw with the FX or part of the story itself. The General Veers/ Vader scene mentioned above is not flawed technically or story wise, it was filmed that way. 

No offense to you guys, but this is getting ridiculous.

I didn't really suggest I wanted it to be fixed, I was just going off topic to point out how funny I found it.

mumbles_ said:

doubleofive said:

I've always thought how funny it is immediately after that line.

"Set your course for the Hoth System. GENERAL VEERS! Prepare your men."

The way he spins around to find Veers standing right next to him is funny. If Vader had spun around pointing at Veers thinking he was further away, he would have knocked him right over!

But that just might be me...

no you're not the only one. I still find that part HILARIOUS... it must have been hard for Vader to see him with that helmet. just as much as the automated targeting computers and how close they come to Wedge's face in A New Hope. i always imagine it hitting him in the face. it's the little things...

 

Glad I'm not alone.  Since I'm a screenshot fiend, I'll post what we're referring to:

Vader is yelling to set their course for the Hoth system.  Vader turns his head to his right...

The shot changes and pans over to revel GENERAL VEERS(!) who is way too close for comfort.

You'd think he'd be visable in the first shot, or at least moving to that position, cause it looks like he was standing there the whole time...