doubleofive

I watched TMP:DC the other day, and I saw a few scenes where the effects could use just a little tweaking.  Looks like the blue parts on the inside of the nacelles were causing trouble.  For example

1. In drydock, after the pod flies over the saucer, the nacelle on the left side of the screen looks like the blue blended into the blue screen and its has a huge black patch over it.

2. As Spock's shuttle is docking with the E, the nacelles have huge transparent areas!  You can see the stars moving through them.  Also, when Spock's shuttle is leaving, the stars aren't moving at all when they were seconds before.

I don't recall any others, but you could fix those two shots fairly easily if you wanted.  For the Vulcan shuttle leaving, you can even reuse the same shot of the ship coming in, but matte the incoming shuttle out and insert the outgoing one.

Just in case you wanted to go "Revisited" on the movie.

I would love the Battle Droid dialog to be minimized to when they are talking to someone who isn't a droid.  It would be silly to require verbal communication between droids controlled from the same place.  No "Check it out, Corporol, we'll cover you", no "roger, roger", or "open fire", or anything like that.  Let them be silent killing machines.

Monroville said:

Someone should go ahead and say it: "I've.. had enough.. of YOUUUUUU... Green AT-AT lasers!"

The Shat is going to kick that laser into the center of a dying planet!

thunderclap said:

I recently stumbled upon the Revisited version of SW after becoming obsessed with finding a fan edit of the prequels.  (I found a terrific version by Slumberland, but I degress.)

I've gone through all the posts so I hope I'm not making requests already made or planned.  There are a lot of pages here and I may have missed something.

Anyhow, my only two requests for ESB: 1.) On Hoth there is a shot of one of the walkers falling to the ground and blowing up.  In the background there is another walker and it's head is the only thing that moves.  I'd like to see have a little more movement or be removed as it's quite distracting.  2.) In Cloud City there is a low angle shot in the SE where the newly added orange sky is coming through windows and is relfected on the floor.  It looks terrible.  If at all possible it would be nice to see this fixed.

Like DarthRayne, and I'm sure many others here, I greatly appreciated what Adywan has done with ANH.  It's the best version of the film to date.

Finally, I know RotJ is planned next.  Adywan has mentioned he thinks it will take more work than ANH.  Any word on what changes are being planned?  (I know it's a bit early.)  Is there a thread I missed that goes delves into this?

Welcome, welcome!  Thanks for your suggestions.  We had a discussion about the Cloud City shot you mentioned.  I believe changes are definitely going to be made there, at the very least stop the reflection from going through the characters!

RotJ is too far off to start discussions, but there is talk on the Wishlist if you want to check that out.

Rhikter said:

Originally posted by doubleofive:

"Just for fun, I tried to see what the TIEs will look like grey in the asteroid field."

I'm a little confused.  Is the "doubleofive Revisited" shot what you expect the final ESB:R to look like, or is the "Revisited" shot Adywan's final version of the scene and you have just altered it to your liking?

OK, Adywan basically made a comparison between his AVCHD version and the GOUT for color comparison.  Then he posted that he didn't like the blue TIEs and will change them for Revisited, but not for the AVCHD.  That's what sparked the debate.  I decided to take his AVCHD preview and recolor that as my impression of what the final version will look like.

So, basically its:

My imagining of Revisited

AVCHD (abandoned Revisited concept)

GOUT

EDIT: I changed the picture to be less confusing.  Kind of.

Just for fun, I tried to see what the TIEs will look like grey in the asteroid field.

I think they're going to look great.

Kurgan said:

If he sticks to gray, this just means there will be a desire to change them once he releases his project... and you'll have two editions of ESB:R out. People might tell me "oh well if you care so much, make your own" but that is just saying I take Adywan's project and color the TIEs blue, because that's all I'd change at this point. And then somebody can make their green lasers version, and so forth... won't that be great? ;)

Fan editing fan edits...  It does seem like the next logical step. ;-)

Ady, I'm 100% behind the grey TIEs.  I'd never even realized that any of the TIEs besides the Interceptors and Bombers were anything but white, because this is the toy I had growing up (and still have):

I know the toys aren't canon, but I'd rather have consistency between the Revisted series than desaturation in one and oversaturation in the rest.  But like I said before, I don't care if the TIEs are purple, as long as they are at least consistant in one shot to another.

And don't forget that you can see the footsteps in the snow on BOTH shots of the crater when you get to fixing that!

(5) Oh yeah!  This is a BIG one:
will you be posting 1080p versions of the REVISITED series (or find someone who can)?

There is no 1080p version of ANHR, and Adywan said earlier that trying to work any Revisited version in 1080p makes everything more difficult as he wouldn't be able to use ANY standard definition elements (including the GOUT).  So no Revisited HDs.

I've been thinking a lot about Ady's comment of not having Threepio in the prequels until he shows up as Padme's assistant in RotS.  It kind of makes sense.  I mean, in TPM, Threepio is revealed, intruduced, makes a few comments, and is left behind.  In other words, pointless fan service.  In AotC, Threepio is kidnapped from his home and taken to an alien planet where he gets into trouble, beheaded, and makes bad puns.  Fan service.  He still doesn't do anything in RotS, but that may be the beauty of it.  He doesn't do anything but help Padme.  Then as her assistant he is forced into working on Tantive IV with R2-D2, and that's where they become friends for the next 20 years.

I think that all of the fan service should go.  Yoda's lightsaber battle with Dooku, Chewbacca, "you're going to be the death of me", "I have a bad feeling about this", everything.  Admittedly, I thought all of these things were cool when I first saw the PT but the more I thought about it, the more I realized that Lucas was trying to make his new movies better by drawing direct comparisons with the old ones.  Now I think that if the prequels can't stand without their silly references to the OT, then they don't deserve to stand at all.

astromech said:

Episode IV had 'The Great Hand/Flipper Debate'

Episode V has 'The Great Green/Red Laser AND Meteor/Probe Droid Debate'...! 

I wonder what Episode VI will bring....

I have a list of debates just from the little Ady has told us about what he plans for VI...

Johnny Ringo said:

How the hell is GG still in command come ROTS? - All he has done is lose ships, troops, and power weapons. I know the seperatists are all being played by Palpy but it would be nice to see him as a competent opponent from time to time.

I actually started laughing when he abandoned ship for like the third episode in a row.  "Screw you guys, I'm leaving!"

TheBoost said:

professa adyfan said:

i don't need an explanation

because what luke saw was just a meteor

star wars movies do not jump around in time like that

i'm just saying the fact that the probe droid doesn't approach luke and the wampa adds to the case of it not being just a few hundred yards away at that time - and it is conspicuously absent through the whole of the rescue of luke and han. if it had been around it would have recorded the transmissions broadcast from zev and the other rogues (commander skywalker do you copy? captain solo do you copy?) and transmitted them to the empire rather than just an image of a power generator. it didn't do it coz it wasn't in that area at the time.

what are the chances of it landing within spitting distance of vaders number one target when it would have had a vast (maybe planetwide)area to cover

 

 I agree with everything said here. In fact, it never even occured to me that it MIGHT not have been a meteor Luke saw. Gen. Reiken even says 'sure are a lot of meteors around here.'

Interesting, because my experience has been quite the opposite.  Ever since childhood, I figured it was the probe because of the exact same explosion being used.  I always felt dread at Luke wanting to check out the meteor, knowing that the probe would recognize him and start shooting.  Thankfully he was distracted and pulled in the opposite direction by the Wampa.

The probe droid may not have picked up Luke due to interference (from the sensors that Han placed?) and no Rebel sensors picked up the Wampas at all.  Also, the probe didn't pick up that it was surrounded by Han and Chewie until they started yelling and shooting, so maybe its not configured to pick up life forms (or maybe to just ignore them until they pose a threat).  I'm sure all comm chatter was encoded, so the probe may not have picked it up.  So the only thing it could have found was the huge power generator whose signature and size they could not cover up.

Even so, if you were a probe droid and landed on a planet, would you immediately go after the faint life signs you're picking up all the way down a mountain (if you could see them at all), or the HUGE power generator giving off all kinds of energy?

This is the kind of thing Revisited should fix / change definitavely.  If Lucas can't be bothered to clarify anything, Ady can.

The Golden Idol said:

adywan said:

Work is just flying along at the moment. I've even been able to re-create the original Emperor scene in HD for my AVCHD release of Empire. I posted the link in that thread but if anyone wants to see it then here is the link:

ESB ORIGINAL EMPEROR SCENE 1080P AC3 5.1 .ts stream

Can someone please upload this to YouTube? I'm having trouble watching it.

Ladyferry, can you help?

Honestly Idol, if you lower it to YouTube quality, you might as well just watch the GOUT.  That's how seamless the insertion of the original head is.  The colors are better though.

Wait a minute:

Are those footprints from the guys who set the explosive charge?

The film clearly shows all of the probes shot out of the Star Destroyer at the beginning going off in different directions, I'm thinking one for each habitable planet in the system.

We then see one by itself, head down to the planet and impact the surface.

A few minutes later we see another object head down and impact with the EXACT SAME SMOKE PATTERN in the EXACT SAME LOCATION.

I always assumed that the opening sequence happened, then we see what we just saw from Luke's perspective.

There would be a few ways to close this up neatly:

1. If its the same impact, leave it exactly as it is.

2. If its another probe droid, have more than one headed in the same direction and head down to the planet in the opening.  Also change the smoke pattern and landing site.

3. If its just a random meteorite, everything about it should be changed (smoke, landing site, fireball).

Those are my thoughts on the subject.

(all shots taken from August 1's 1080p preview of ESBR)

adywan said:

Work is just flying along at the moment. I've even been able to re-create the original Emperor scene in HD for my AVCHD release of Empire. I posted the link in that thread but if anyone wants to see it then here is the link:

ESB ORIGINAL EMPEROR SCENE 1080P AC3 5.1 .ts stream

 

I just got to watch it, and the quality and colors are incredible, as usual.  How did you get the original Emperor to scale up to 1080p?  And are you still planning on doing the RotJ Ian McDiarmond face with the ESB:04 lips for Revisited?

darthmunky said:

Sweet stuff!

 

I have a couple questions about ESB: I've always wondered, at the first of the movie, it shows the pod crash and the probe droid comes out, then it shows another pod crash when Luke is talking to Han on the radio. Is that supposed to be the same probe droid or did several of them land on Hoth?

Another thing, the part where they close the rebel base giant blast door, why is there such a build up to that? It seems like its supposed to be really epic.

I've always been under the impression that they were the same crash.  But that may be just me.

And the blast door was a big deal because Han and Luke were still out there.  It wasn't the door so much as who was outside of it.

“I plan on completing the whole saga. I haven't really made any plans for them yet apart from the fact that C-3PO won't be built by Anakin or even seen in the prequels until Revenge of the Sith, and Return of the Jedi will have a new ending,” he said.

Really?  No 3PO until RotS?  Iiiiiinteresting.  Our first clue to the extensiveness of the prequel edits.  Any more revelations you want to share with us?

darthmunky said:

darthmunky said:

3. Boba Fett's original voice restored
4. Shortened Wampa scene
5. Removal of ALL SE elements of Vaders shuttle leaving Bespin & docking with the Stardestroyer
34. ALL SE additions of the Imperial shuttle removed

Why?

bkev said:

Because he can, and it helps the flow of the movie.  Well, #3 doesn't; but it's personal taste.

Yeah, #3 actually ruins the flow of the movie. Boba Fett is supposed to be a clone of jango and should have the same voice. I always disliked the original voice anyway. But why would the wampa scene be shortened? The SE wampa scene was perfect. I think it should be extended. The other two wont be missed I guess, but the more FX, the better.

We've already had this conversation and had every possible argument stated, defended, and rebuked, so I wouldn't worry about it.  The end point is that Temura Morrison literally phoned in his dialog for the DVD, while the previous voice actor actually sounded like he was acting.  Adywan actually plans to redub or distort helmeted Jango in Attack of the Clones: Revisited to keep continuity in his own special way.

As for the Wampa, I always liked the Wampa more mysterious, and seeing him chomping away on bloody meat is really distracting.  Ady agrees.

HotRod said:

Ripplin said:

Ziz said:

I prefer it without his extra line.

Me too. :)

Can I get a 'me three'?

 

 

 Definitely agree there...

 

After watching the film sooooo many times, it was like a wtf moment when I first heard the line. But then, so were a lot of the SE changes...oh well

Honestly, I like the line.  It explains why 3PO thinks this is suicide when they've lost all the trailing fighters.

The new clip looks amazing.  De-bluing the asteroids out the windows of the Falcon immediately made a difference, making the asteroids look more solid (at least to me).  I also like the SD bridge shaking, so they don't all fall over for no reason at all (or it was a REALLY stable camera on the bridge there).  I can't wait to see what further tweaks you do to these scenes, especially the retraced lasers and better matted explosions.

Hooray!  I hope the work helps soothe your soul.

Back to the topic:

I'd love to see this movie, I hope it gets more than a limited release.

You just want the changes?  The visual ones can be found in my signature.  As for the subtitle track text itself, I'm not sure how to go about doing that.

csd79 said:

I think you won't find a COMPLETE list. All three movies contains subtle changes, some of them can be find only by frame-to-frame comparison. In 'Star Wars', lots of composite effect shots were redone by digital composition, some of them slightly differently, or a few frames longer etc. In 'Empire' and 'Jedi', lots of shots were edited down to make room for SE footage. One way to make a good comparison is by assembling a split-screen version of the films (which I did in Avisynth - loong edit list).

 

Its interesting that they went through and digitally recomposited so many effects, but there are still transparency and matte line issues.  You'd think they'd fix them all...