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Ripplin said:

Erikstormtrooper said:

So this is how the "Official Saga" dies - with thunderous applause.

As much as I love Adywan's versions, I know I still enjoy watching the OUT (even if Lucas doesn't want me to!)...and I would certainly hope everyone here could say that. ;)

 

Sadly, the OUT isn't a part of the "Official Saga", so the "Official Saga" can still die. :-D

I use my iPod Touch a lot at home and can read the site just fine using the web browser.  But when I click to type in a text box, nothing happens.  It just flashes like its going to zoom and let me type, but it doesn't.

Not sure how you could test that if you didn't have one, but I wouldn't hurry as it seems no one else has a problem with it, and it does keep me from spending all of my time here. :-)

adywan said:

Well what i consider canon is what is in the OUT movies. those are what the canon for the PT should based upon and not the other way around. Influences from books, spin-off TV shows and movies just won't have any bearing on the Revisited edits. Just because GL has something to do with a show or movie doesn't mean that it should have anything to do with the Revisited canon. If i were to include the clone wars then shouldn't i also include the holiday special & Ewok movies. does that mean that the Ewoks should speak now? Too many things are now contradicting the OT but not in my edits.

Awesome to hear.  The more I think about it, the more I really don't care for trying to fit the EU in the Saga.  There are some good stories and I'll reference them for that.

When i first planned on doing the saga i wanted to bring the saga together as a whole and not have the PT ruin many of the surprises in the OT, namely Leia being Lukes sister and Vader being Lukes father.  I want them to be able to be watched in chronological order. So in ROTS you will not have Anakin named as Vader or even see him don the costume. The last we see of Anakin is being led away in the life support chamber after it leaves the shuttle. Leia will not be named either. Palpatine has Maul, Dooku & Grievous in the PT, so when we see Vader in ANH we will just think that he's just another henchman. We will hear mention of Vader in ROTS but not connected to Anakin. And also the problem with Leia remembering her real mother but Padme dies in ROTS will be fixed in the PT, so no changes are needed in ROTJ.

Is it wrong that this paragraph nearly made me stand up and cheer in my cubicle?  This is the stuff that really upset me about the prequels, the fact that they reference things that haven't happened and they spoil all of the "surprises" in the OT.  It doesn't make any sense if Lucas wanted them to be watched in order.  Just another reason why my future children will only know The Revisited Saga.

There will be probably more work done on the PT than in the Revisited OT. I have so many ideas for the PT but a lot of new FX need to be done to achieve this. I'm hoping that a new version of TPM is released before i get to that movie with the new CG Yoda because the abomination that is the PT puppet Yoda just cannot exist in my edit. I'm even thinking of building my own mechanical puppet Yoda to replace the one in that movie. I know i can do it. I'm going to have to get myself a HD video camera to achieve most of wehat i want to do with not only the PT, but some work on ESB & ROTJ. The reason i dropped the idea of using models for some new FX work was only down to the fact that my video camera is just complete crap in quality, but having tested a couple of the £400 1080p HD cameras this is now once again a very strong possibility.  It's going to cost me a fortune to do all this but its probably the only way i can do the versions i really want to do.

That's dedication.  I'm glad that you never plan on doing anything half-assed, but plan for the absolute best, even if it takes time and money.  Building your own Yoda would be an incredible undertaking.  If you start making models and filming them, we're going to need your wife or one of your kids to do some behind-the-scenes video stuff.  Or I could fly over to England and do it myself...

Now Needa's shuttle won't be a Lambda class shuttle in ESB, but it won't be the box one that exists in the movie now. I'm going to design a new shuttle that is similar design to the Lambda. This will either be built as a physical model or CG depending is i can film it as a real element or not in time. I'm also thinking of then using the same design for the Tydirium in ROTJ and have the Lambda class used only for dignitaries like Vader. The Tydirium is supposed to be transporting cargo and technical crew so why would the be using such an important ship? Vader had his own prototype TIE in ANH and i want him to have his own shuttle in ROTJ.

Cool stuff.  Makes sense for Vader and Palpatine to have Lambda shuttles and everyone else to have something a little less fancy.  And in the PT, every ship had moving, folding wings that just seem silly for space travel, but I digress. ;-)

Monroville said:

I know this has been beaten to death, but wouldn't it be easier just to remove the horns from the later "inside the cave" shot
and have the wampa keep the 1st image appearance?  Those horns just don't work!

Removing the horns from the later Wampa is not something i want to do. The wampa has always had horns and to me it should do. The horns in the clip you posted screenshots from was in HD and therefore hard to use an SD image to look any good at that res. It was also only a WIP. I might even build a new Wampa head for those shots anyway. It might be easier. lol

I think the horns will work in SD since you'll have more sources available.  But a Wampa head would also be awesome.  Is there anything you can't do?  Or aren't willing to try?

Every time I think I couldn't be more excited about this project, you drop in and make me more excited.

Yeah, wrong, take it down.  Sorry.

Monroville said:

Johnny Ringo said:

now considering that each SD is one mile, that makes the Executor a whopping 12 miles long!  Could you imagine being in the nose and having an important message for Vader?  You know, I'm surprised Mel Brooks didn't do something like that in SPACEBALLS....

They did make fun of the size of the ship in SPACEBALLS - several times. [I'm not sure if you were serious]

Well yeah ("We Break For Nobody!"), but I was saying having a scene with someone having to run the whole length of the ship just to get Dark Helmet a diet coke or something.  With the MOD SQUAD theme playing.  The Whole 5 minutes.  Just for Dark Helmet to smack him upside the head and say "You asshole!  I wanted a Pepsi!"

Skroob does run in at some point because it would have taken "forever" if he had walked.  But your idea is pretty good.

Monroville, X-Wing Mechanic, back on page 108 ImperialFighter went through pretty much every space shot in the movie doing exactly what you're suggesting already (adding to the blockade), with alternate versions and suggestions.  It's a bit much, I should know, I did the adjustments!

Here is one of our takes on the shuttle:

ImperialFighter did the timing and figured that unless the unfolding process was greatly sped up, it would have to be unfolded at the beginning of the shot.

Don't worry, Adyway has seen all this, and has taken them into consideration.

Ripplin said:

Seems like it would be a lot of trouble to go to. Sure, the reflections were cool in the PT because they had the ability to do it, but it's not something that ever bothered me about the OT. I found it was the shadows cast that stood out more.

This, this, this.  Something made of light or plasma or whatever shouldn't cast a shadow.  The biggest offender in my book is in RotJ when Vader is walking up the Emperor's stairs towards Luke before he was unwise to lower his defences.  Vader has the saber in front of him, then swings it out to the side, and it casts a stick shadow on the ground.  Also when Vader and Luke are having their final swings towards The Pit its pretty bad.  I don't recall any in ESB.

Ady, are you planning on eliminating lightsaber shadows when you can?

SithTrooper said:

adywan said:

SithTrooper said:

I was watching ESB on Spike TV last night and saw a couple of things that I did not see on the list (page 1).

1) during the Cloud City battle between Luke and Vader I could not see the blue or red glow from their sabers. Can anyone else?

Which part? I didn't see any missing glows when doing the colour correction. Could you give a timeframe at all or a bit more information? 

Ah, I meant to be more descriptive. Sorry.

What I meant to say was that there didn't appear to be any saber glow bouncing off either Luke or Vader during the Cloud City duel.

Ah, as in their lightsabers weren't creating light because they were metal poles on set.  Yeah, that would be great, but I don't see how Adywan could create light reflections where there wasn't any on set.  I think that's something we'll just have to live without.

Of course, I could be wrong, and Ady has already thought about how to make that work, but it seems impossible to me.

jlw515 said:

adywan said:

jlw515 said:

3. I too did not like that Chewie had a medal, simply because it just miraculously appears.

Jason

If you look at that scene closely again you will see i added an extra shot of leia preparing the medal and chewie steps forward in the right hand side of the frame, then we cut to Luke as she gives it chewie. So it doesn't miraculously appear. Its a quick shot so easy to miss on first viewing.

I'll have to double check that.

Do you think it is possible to make Han walk in front of Jabba in the deleted Jabba scene? I really love that scene except for that one thing. However, if you were to ever fix it and put it in; you'd have to put the Han vs. Greedo dialogue back to the original (cut) version where Greedo tells Han to "get up or must I finish this here" and Han replies "I don't think they'd like another killing".

Also, do you have the CD Death Star image without the Star Wars logo and writing? I'd love to use that image in some of my customizing dioramas and such!

Awesome work adywan, can't wait to see Empire!

Jason

Without having a 1976 Harrison Ford to do/say what we want, making Han walk in front of Jabba when the only footage we have is blocked by Jabba's fat CG body would be pretty hard, and having Han say things he we don't have recordings of at all would be impossible.

Adywan has said that he is done with ANHR.  If people are able to add thoses scenes back in, that's great, but Ady's not going to be the one to do it.  He's too deep into ESB.

lordjedi said:

skyjedi2005 said:

Even if the tos fans hate this movie they pretty much have to embrace it.  Bring their friends and family to see it multiple times.  It is the only way new trek will happen.  If this thing Bombs Paramount would be well within its rights to never spend a dime on the series again.

Then so be it.  If this turns out to be a terrible Trek, I'd rather see it bomb than see it be successful and watch Trek turn into yet another teeny bopper flick.  Trek is better than that.  Trek's success should not hinge on whether the "tween" crowd wants to see this or not.  It should hinge on it being a good story or not.

Some people would rather Star Trek not exist than be reimagined.  That just blows my mind.  This isn't Lucas, JJ is not gathering all of the hundreds of hours of Star Trek that existed before and throwing it out.  They're trying to get people interested in it again.  More people will be willing to take the cheesy little 60's science fiction show we love so well a bit more seriously, maybe focusing on the characters instead of the cliches they came to be.

If this movie is successful, I honestly believe people will give old Trek a chance again, not dilute the franchise or anything so silly.  The new movie will not take away your old ones.  It looks like an alternate universe/timeline anyway, so anyone can ignore it if they choose to.  But some of us are excited to be able to talk with their friends about Star Trek without looking like anti-social outcasts.  Star Trek either goes mainstream, or it withers and dies like it has been for years.  I'd rather it be mainstream.

But that's just me.

rcb said:

The Golden Idol said:

Anyways, Ady, what are you working on now?

 

I'm really looking forward to seeing that "Yoda with CGI emotes" test clip. Is it coming soon?

 

 i'm more looking forward to seeing the battle of hoth. i cannot wait to see it.

I'm looking forward to seeing how much if any of ImperialFighter's additional Star Destroyers make the final cut and if the first transport goes into hyperspace (the only suggestion I can remember actually coming up with).

Also, I'm eager to see Cloud City and what is done with the windows/balconies added/subtracted.

jlw515 said:

Ok I still cannot find the link anymore on this site http://fanedit.org/517/ to download the torrents. Is it still there and I am just missing it, or did someone take it down? I'd like to have DVD-9 with the deleted scenes, but I only have 10 or the 80 files downloaded. Any help here would be hot.

Jason

The MPAA took it down.  The whole site.  You're on your own on finding the rest of the rapidshare links.  Someone might have them handy, but there is no easy way anymore.

Vaderisnothayden said:

Somebody here once said that there's anecdotal evidence that Lucas was working on the mono mix when Star Wars was released. Can anybody clarify what working on the mono mix would mean in that context? Was he recording it then with the actors or just putting it together, with the actor work being before then?

Also, does anybody know what date or year the mono mix for the film was first released?

I believe he was mixing the mono mix when the film was released, with all the recording being done months before.  The original version was in stereo, then he found alternate takes and dialog he may have liked better and put them in.

I'm not sure why they just didn't compress the stereo into mono, but I'll leave that for someone else to explain.

thunderclap said:

I thought I remember seeing a list of software Adywan used in creating this fan edit but now I can't find it.  Does anyone know the software or the link to the thread?

Also, what is the difference between the DVD-9 version and the DVD-5 version?  DVD-9 is obviously dual-layered so is the picture quality higher?  Additional features?

All I remember is Sony Vegas and maybe AfterEffects.

As for the differences, I listed them here.

EDIT: actually the software is listed there.  Cool.

thunderclap said:

BarBar Jinkx said:

Heres what I loved about this cut

Re-editing the Bens hut scene to how it was originally intended.

The Ben/Vader battle is wicked now the music really lifts that scene.

I'm still debating about the re-edit of Ben's hut.  Perhaps I'm just so use to how it has been for so long it just feels... wrong.  How do you know this is how it was originally intended?  I don't remember seeing this anywhere.

Apparently the script has it like that.  I haven't read a copy in a while, but I guess I didn't notice back then.  When I showed my wife and her friend, they didn't notice.  Of course, we were talking through most of it, mostly about why the SEs weren't so "special" after all.

Monroville said:

Not to mention, what does any of this have to do with EMPIRE: REVISITED suggestions?

Sadly, people think that Adywan can do extreme changes to his edits like some kind of magician.  Have you seen the Prequel suggestions thread?  These people think that people sitting at home can change entire plot lines, move characters to other movies, paint thousands of clones and battle droids frame by frame, create a whole new Grievous CG model, and apparently make Luke flip around and spin his saber in Vader's face.

There's only so much anyone can do with existing footage.  I find the saber battles in the OT to be JUST FINE, and I think any way short of refilming Mark Hamill and Bob Anderson THIRTY YEARS AGO would look crappy.

Basically, we should stop this conversation and think about the very real limitations Ady and other fan editors have using thirty year old movies with no deleted scenes or alternate takes can do with the footage they have.

I know Ady is a miracle worker, but having Obi-Wan light his saber up first is a little different then making him do spin kicks off the wall.  He may be able to tone down the flipping in the Prequels, but we'll have to see when he gets there.  If he can cut out some of the even tiny ridiculous things the Jedi do, there will be a ton of continuity problems as half the fights would be gone completely.

adywan said:

Well someone just sent me a clip from a 1up fm podcast interview with Kyle Newman, director of the soon to be released Fanboys. They are talking about TPM then switch to fan edits and he mentions mine (although he calls it the ultimate edition. lol). It's pretty weird hearing someone like Kyle talk about me edit especially when i'm so excited about going to see Fanboys next year.

kyle_Newman_interview_clip.mp3

That's awesome!  Maybe you can contact him and go to a premiere of Fanboys or something!

Rhikter said:

Perhaps the good fellow who made those CG Ties for Adywan in ANH:R could do a convincing Grievous model.  That'd be a start.

Also, I'm beginning to suspect that GL f'd up the PT on purpose as part of some elaborate marketing ploy, or search for newfound praise.

The thing with TIEs is that they have no moving parts.  That's a completely different senario than a four armed guy who has to fight with lightsabers.

Not bad.  I misread it as page 108, which is where it was.

ImperialFighter said:

Oldfan said:

I'm not sure if it is possible to restore some of these without altering the scenes, but there are a few cues that I'm pretty sure you could fit right back in, if you wanted to. Just a thought that ocurred to me while watching the scenes.

 

I'm hoping for a little something to do with the Fleet over Hoth, if he adds to that in any way.... ;)

 

I agree, something should be added to the Fleet over Hoth, but I really have no idea what.  We should try to figure that out, using only existing elements from ESB and RotJ.  How about you and I work together on that, ImperialFighter?

Why am I experiencing deja vu?

adywan said:

On another note, is anyone in the UK going to Memorabilia in Birmingham this weekend? I'm taking my daughter and her sister and i was thinking of taking a couple of signed copies of ANH:R with me to give away

That would be awesome.  How would anyone who's not your friend on Facebook know who to look for?

TheoOdo said:

Interesting choice, but I think the mysterious feel of the opening sequence is spoiled somewhat by the immediate introduction of Luke. To leave the audience hanging, if only for a moment, works I think.


Also, here's something I brought up a while ago. C-3P0 chattering away during the carbonite scene. It's always bothered me. First of all, he's chastising poor old Chewbacca excessively whilst far more important things are happening around him and he then (rather redundantly, considering we've been told as much by Boba, Vader and Lando) explains that Han will be well protected if he survived the freezing process. His chirpiness is in-character and humorous in other scenes, but here it's just distracting. I'd much rather soak up the emotional severity of this moment than have it ineffectually narrated by 3P0.

That's just about the only thing I'd personally change in Empire apart from some visual alterations.

That's the thing, if 3PO is on and in a scene, its out of character for him not to talk, which is why they shut him down for important scenes that he is in, so he's not jabbering during Obi-Wan's speech to Luke in his hut and commenting on Bespin as a refuge choice.  Unless we add something that makes it obvious that he is off, he needs to be talking or it will be out of character.

He stops watching RotJ at a ceretain point and watches one of the segments of Fantasia for a better ending.  He explained on another thread, I'll see if I can find it...

Found it:

The final segment of Disney's "Fantasia" Is Mussorgsky's "Night on Bald Mountain" paired with Franz Schubert's "Ave Maria", another tangle between good and evil, albeit on a religious scale, with good triumphing yet again. Since I allready find many Religious parallels in Star Wars, (Particularly Christian) it augments the uplifting feeling the undestroyed RotJ ending provides me, (as well as calming things down and solemnising it) making it a perfect coda to my ideal Star Wars veiwing experiance.

HotRod said:

thunderclap said:

ChainsawAsh said:

RE the Luke with a blue saber in Jedi, that was changed simply because the blue did not stand up well against the Tattooine blue sky.  My assumption would be that the green was changed to red on Hoth for a similar reason.

I always took it that Luke had to build a new saber because Ben had his in ANH.  When he was struck down he obviously couldn't get it.

 

 What the bloody hell are you talking about man???

To put it more nicely:

Luke's new saber was going to be blue and the only saber colors were going to be blue and red.  But when the blue washed into the sky, they changed his new saber to be green.  He was going to get a new lightsaber anyway, it doesn't matter what color it was.

EDIT: Upon reading it again, you forget that Luke had his father's lightsaber from when Ben gave it to him in his hut to Luke's hand being cut off.  That's why he had to build a new saber.  You know, I used to think the same thing growing up.  Not sure why.

skyjedi2005 said:

The ship does not look half bad except for the nacelles on the back.  What Fucktard designed those.

My Favorite enterprise is the movie enterprise first shown in the motion picture.

Here is a comparison image of the new cgi ship, the cgi version approximation of tos ship, and motion picture again a cgi image probably from The Legacy Game since it says A.

I would like to see the new warp effect before i judge the ship too much.  The slitscan Effect from TNG was lame to me versus the warp from the motion picture and treks II onward to VI.

 

The middle shot is actually the original model CBS-Digital used for Star Trek: The Original Series: Remastered.  It was too finely detailed and took too long to render so the lighting was never right and the nacelle caps looked like peppermints.  And the bottom shot looks really nice to be from a game.  Maybe I should have picked up Legacy...

But back to the subject at hand.

The new E design threw me for a loop at first.  It doesn't fit in with the lineage of the original Enterprise since all of the ships pictured are supposed to be modified versions of the same ship.  But I think the angle of the picture is bad, and might make it look worse than it actually is.

I don't think Abrams is destroying Trek like Lucas destroyed Star Wars.  Lucas went through and changed his movies to fit his changing beliefs and then made prequels of questionable content.  However, no matter what Abrams says, this is going to be a reboot or alternate timeline, like Batman Begins or Casino Royale.  It doesn't HAVE to match with current continuity.  This is what Abrams feels Star Trek would be made as today if we had never seen it before.  It has ties to the current Trek universe in Nimoy and Bana's character, but the timeline they create is all new, and they may or may not continue to play in it.  If it fails, it could continue in the original universe.

''We felt we really need to get out there and educate people that this is a whole new franchise,'' says Paramount vice chairman Rob Moore. - EW.com

Threads like this are one of the reasons they moved the movie to next summer.  It's not a prequel that creates a bunch of plot holes.  It's a whole new deal.  I'm willing to give it a chance, and I think it will be enjoyable.