doubleofive

Vaderisnothayden said:

Somebody here once said that there's anecdotal evidence that Lucas was working on the mono mix when Star Wars was released. Can anybody clarify what working on the mono mix would mean in that context? Was he recording it then with the actors or just putting it together, with the actor work being before then?

Also, does anybody know what date or year the mono mix for the film was first released?

I believe he was mixing the mono mix when the film was released, with all the recording being done months before.  The original version was in stereo, then he found alternate takes and dialog he may have liked better and put them in.

I'm not sure why they just didn't compress the stereo into mono, but I'll leave that for someone else to explain.

thunderclap said:

I thought I remember seeing a list of software Adywan used in creating this fan edit but now I can't find it.  Does anyone know the software or the link to the thread?

Also, what is the difference between the DVD-9 version and the DVD-5 version?  DVD-9 is obviously dual-layered so is the picture quality higher?  Additional features?

All I remember is Sony Vegas and maybe AfterEffects.

As for the differences, I listed them here.

EDIT: actually the software is listed there.  Cool.

thunderclap said:

BarBar Jinkx said:

Heres what I loved about this cut

Re-editing the Bens hut scene to how it was originally intended.

The Ben/Vader battle is wicked now the music really lifts that scene.

I'm still debating about the re-edit of Ben's hut.  Perhaps I'm just so use to how it has been for so long it just feels... wrong.  How do you know this is how it was originally intended?  I don't remember seeing this anywhere.

Apparently the script has it like that.  I haven't read a copy in a while, but I guess I didn't notice back then.  When I showed my wife and her friend, they didn't notice.  Of course, we were talking through most of it, mostly about why the SEs weren't so "special" after all.

Monroville said:

Not to mention, what does any of this have to do with EMPIRE: REVISITED suggestions?

Sadly, people think that Adywan can do extreme changes to his edits like some kind of magician.  Have you seen the Prequel suggestions thread?  These people think that people sitting at home can change entire plot lines, move characters to other movies, paint thousands of clones and battle droids frame by frame, create a whole new Grievous CG model, and apparently make Luke flip around and spin his saber in Vader's face.

There's only so much anyone can do with existing footage.  I find the saber battles in the OT to be JUST FINE, and I think any way short of refilming Mark Hamill and Bob Anderson THIRTY YEARS AGO would look crappy.

Basically, we should stop this conversation and think about the very real limitations Ady and other fan editors have using thirty year old movies with no deleted scenes or alternate takes can do with the footage they have.

I know Ady is a miracle worker, but having Obi-Wan light his saber up first is a little different then making him do spin kicks off the wall.  He may be able to tone down the flipping in the Prequels, but we'll have to see when he gets there.  If he can cut out some of the even tiny ridiculous things the Jedi do, there will be a ton of continuity problems as half the fights would be gone completely.

adywan said:

Well someone just sent me a clip from a 1up fm podcast interview with Kyle Newman, director of the soon to be released Fanboys. They are talking about TPM then switch to fan edits and he mentions mine (although he calls it the ultimate edition. lol). It's pretty weird hearing someone like Kyle talk about me edit especially when i'm so excited about going to see Fanboys next year.

kyle_Newman_interview_clip.mp3

That's awesome!  Maybe you can contact him and go to a premiere of Fanboys or something!

Rhikter said:

Perhaps the good fellow who made those CG Ties for Adywan in ANH:R could do a convincing Grievous model.  That'd be a start.

Also, I'm beginning to suspect that GL f'd up the PT on purpose as part of some elaborate marketing ploy, or search for newfound praise.

The thing with TIEs is that they have no moving parts.  That's a completely different senario than a four armed guy who has to fight with lightsabers.

Not bad.  I misread it as page 108, which is where it was.

ImperialFighter said:

Oldfan said:

I'm not sure if it is possible to restore some of these without altering the scenes, but there are a few cues that I'm pretty sure you could fit right back in, if you wanted to. Just a thought that ocurred to me while watching the scenes.

 

I'm hoping for a little something to do with the Fleet over Hoth, if he adds to that in any way.... ;)

 

I agree, something should be added to the Fleet over Hoth, but I really have no idea what.  We should try to figure that out, using only existing elements from ESB and RotJ.  How about you and I work together on that, ImperialFighter?

Why am I experiencing deja vu?

adywan said:

On another note, is anyone in the UK going to Memorabilia in Birmingham this weekend? I'm taking my daughter and her sister and i was thinking of taking a couple of signed copies of ANH:R with me to give away

That would be awesome.  How would anyone who's not your friend on Facebook know who to look for?

TheoOdo said:

Interesting choice, but I think the mysterious feel of the opening sequence is spoiled somewhat by the immediate introduction of Luke. To leave the audience hanging, if only for a moment, works I think.


Also, here's something I brought up a while ago. C-3P0 chattering away during the carbonite scene. It's always bothered me. First of all, he's chastising poor old Chewbacca excessively whilst far more important things are happening around him and he then (rather redundantly, considering we've been told as much by Boba, Vader and Lando) explains that Han will be well protected if he survived the freezing process. His chirpiness is in-character and humorous in other scenes, but here it's just distracting. I'd much rather soak up the emotional severity of this moment than have it ineffectually narrated by 3P0.

That's just about the only thing I'd personally change in Empire apart from some visual alterations.

That's the thing, if 3PO is on and in a scene, its out of character for him not to talk, which is why they shut him down for important scenes that he is in, so he's not jabbering during Obi-Wan's speech to Luke in his hut and commenting on Bespin as a refuge choice.  Unless we add something that makes it obvious that he is off, he needs to be talking or it will be out of character.

He stops watching RotJ at a ceretain point and watches one of the segments of Fantasia for a better ending.  He explained on another thread, I'll see if I can find it...

Found it:

The final segment of Disney's "Fantasia" Is Mussorgsky's "Night on Bald Mountain" paired with Franz Schubert's "Ave Maria", another tangle between good and evil, albeit on a religious scale, with good triumphing yet again. Since I allready find many Religious parallels in Star Wars, (Particularly Christian) it augments the uplifting feeling the undestroyed RotJ ending provides me, (as well as calming things down and solemnising it) making it a perfect coda to my ideal Star Wars veiwing experiance.

HotRod said:

thunderclap said:

ChainsawAsh said:

RE the Luke with a blue saber in Jedi, that was changed simply because the blue did not stand up well against the Tattooine blue sky.  My assumption would be that the green was changed to red on Hoth for a similar reason.

I always took it that Luke had to build a new saber because Ben had his in ANH.  When he was struck down he obviously couldn't get it.

 

 What the bloody hell are you talking about man???

To put it more nicely:

Luke's new saber was going to be blue and the only saber colors were going to be blue and red.  But when the blue washed into the sky, they changed his new saber to be green.  He was going to get a new lightsaber anyway, it doesn't matter what color it was.

EDIT: Upon reading it again, you forget that Luke had his father's lightsaber from when Ben gave it to him in his hut to Luke's hand being cut off.  That's why he had to build a new saber.  You know, I used to think the same thing growing up.  Not sure why.

skyjedi2005 said:

The ship does not look half bad except for the nacelles on the back.  What Fucktard designed those.

My Favorite enterprise is the movie enterprise first shown in the motion picture.

Here is a comparison image of the new cgi ship, the cgi version approximation of tos ship, and motion picture again a cgi image probably from The Legacy Game since it says A.

I would like to see the new warp effect before i judge the ship too much.  The slitscan Effect from TNG was lame to me versus the warp from the motion picture and treks II onward to VI.

 

The middle shot is actually the original model CBS-Digital used for Star Trek: The Original Series: Remastered.  It was too finely detailed and took too long to render so the lighting was never right and the nacelle caps looked like peppermints.  And the bottom shot looks really nice to be from a game.  Maybe I should have picked up Legacy...

But back to the subject at hand.

The new E design threw me for a loop at first.  It doesn't fit in with the lineage of the original Enterprise since all of the ships pictured are supposed to be modified versions of the same ship.  But I think the angle of the picture is bad, and might make it look worse than it actually is.

I don't think Abrams is destroying Trek like Lucas destroyed Star Wars.  Lucas went through and changed his movies to fit his changing beliefs and then made prequels of questionable content.  However, no matter what Abrams says, this is going to be a reboot or alternate timeline, like Batman Begins or Casino Royale.  It doesn't HAVE to match with current continuity.  This is what Abrams feels Star Trek would be made as today if we had never seen it before.  It has ties to the current Trek universe in Nimoy and Bana's character, but the timeline they create is all new, and they may or may not continue to play in it.  If it fails, it could continue in the original universe.

''We felt we really need to get out there and educate people that this is a whole new franchise,'' says Paramount vice chairman Rob Moore. - EW.com

Threads like this are one of the reasons they moved the movie to next summer.  It's not a prequel that creates a bunch of plot holes.  It's a whole new deal.  I'm willing to give it a chance, and I think it will be enjoyable.

I watched TMP:DC the other day, and I saw a few scenes where the effects could use just a little tweaking.  Looks like the blue parts on the inside of the nacelles were causing trouble.  For example

1. In drydock, after the pod flies over the saucer, the nacelle on the left side of the screen looks like the blue blended into the blue screen and its has a huge black patch over it.

2. As Spock's shuttle is docking with the E, the nacelles have huge transparent areas!  You can see the stars moving through them.  Also, when Spock's shuttle is leaving, the stars aren't moving at all when they were seconds before.

I don't recall any others, but you could fix those two shots fairly easily if you wanted.  For the Vulcan shuttle leaving, you can even reuse the same shot of the ship coming in, but matte the incoming shuttle out and insert the outgoing one.

Just in case you wanted to go "Revisited" on the movie.

I would love the Battle Droid dialog to be minimized to when they are talking to someone who isn't a droid.  It would be silly to require verbal communication between droids controlled from the same place.  No "Check it out, Corporol, we'll cover you", no "roger, roger", or "open fire", or anything like that.  Let them be silent killing machines.

Monroville said:

Someone should go ahead and say it: "I've.. had enough.. of YOUUUUUU... Green AT-AT lasers!"

The Shat is going to kick that laser into the center of a dying planet!

thunderclap said:

I recently stumbled upon the Revisited version of SW after becoming obsessed with finding a fan edit of the prequels.  (I found a terrific version by Slumberland, but I degress.)

I've gone through all the posts so I hope I'm not making requests already made or planned.  There are a lot of pages here and I may have missed something.

Anyhow, my only two requests for ESB: 1.) On Hoth there is a shot of one of the walkers falling to the ground and blowing up.  In the background there is another walker and it's head is the only thing that moves.  I'd like to see have a little more movement or be removed as it's quite distracting.  2.) In Cloud City there is a low angle shot in the SE where the newly added orange sky is coming through windows and is relfected on the floor.  It looks terrible.  If at all possible it would be nice to see this fixed.

Like DarthRayne, and I'm sure many others here, I greatly appreciated what Adywan has done with ANH.  It's the best version of the film to date.

Finally, I know RotJ is planned next.  Adywan has mentioned he thinks it will take more work than ANH.  Any word on what changes are being planned?  (I know it's a bit early.)  Is there a thread I missed that goes delves into this?

Welcome, welcome!  Thanks for your suggestions.  We had a discussion about the Cloud City shot you mentioned.  I believe changes are definitely going to be made there, at the very least stop the reflection from going through the characters!

RotJ is too far off to start discussions, but there is talk on the Wishlist if you want to check that out.

Rhikter said:

Originally posted by doubleofive:

"Just for fun, I tried to see what the TIEs will look like grey in the asteroid field."

I'm a little confused.  Is the "doubleofive Revisited" shot what you expect the final ESB:R to look like, or is the "Revisited" shot Adywan's final version of the scene and you have just altered it to your liking?

OK, Adywan basically made a comparison between his AVCHD version and the GOUT for color comparison.  Then he posted that he didn't like the blue TIEs and will change them for Revisited, but not for the AVCHD.  That's what sparked the debate.  I decided to take his AVCHD preview and recolor that as my impression of what the final version will look like.

So, basically its:

My imagining of Revisited

AVCHD (abandoned Revisited concept)

GOUT

EDIT: I changed the picture to be less confusing.  Kind of.

Just for fun, I tried to see what the TIEs will look like grey in the asteroid field.

I think they're going to look great.

Kurgan said:

If he sticks to gray, this just means there will be a desire to change them once he releases his project... and you'll have two editions of ESB:R out. People might tell me "oh well if you care so much, make your own" but that is just saying I take Adywan's project and color the TIEs blue, because that's all I'd change at this point. And then somebody can make their green lasers version, and so forth... won't that be great? ;)

Fan editing fan edits...  It does seem like the next logical step. ;-)

Ady, I'm 100% behind the grey TIEs.  I'd never even realized that any of the TIEs besides the Interceptors and Bombers were anything but white, because this is the toy I had growing up (and still have):

I know the toys aren't canon, but I'd rather have consistency between the Revisted series than desaturation in one and oversaturation in the rest.  But like I said before, I don't care if the TIEs are purple, as long as they are at least consistant in one shot to another.

And don't forget that you can see the footsteps in the snow on BOTH shots of the crater when you get to fixing that!

(5) Oh yeah!  This is a BIG one:
will you be posting 1080p versions of the REVISITED series (or find someone who can)?

There is no 1080p version of ANHR, and Adywan said earlier that trying to work any Revisited version in 1080p makes everything more difficult as he wouldn't be able to use ANY standard definition elements (including the GOUT).  So no Revisited HDs.

I've been thinking a lot about Ady's comment of not having Threepio in the prequels until he shows up as Padme's assistant in RotS.  It kind of makes sense.  I mean, in TPM, Threepio is revealed, intruduced, makes a few comments, and is left behind.  In other words, pointless fan service.  In AotC, Threepio is kidnapped from his home and taken to an alien planet where he gets into trouble, beheaded, and makes bad puns.  Fan service.  He still doesn't do anything in RotS, but that may be the beauty of it.  He doesn't do anything but help Padme.  Then as her assistant he is forced into working on Tantive IV with R2-D2, and that's where they become friends for the next 20 years.

I think that all of the fan service should go.  Yoda's lightsaber battle with Dooku, Chewbacca, "you're going to be the death of me", "I have a bad feeling about this", everything.  Admittedly, I thought all of these things were cool when I first saw the PT but the more I thought about it, the more I realized that Lucas was trying to make his new movies better by drawing direct comparisons with the old ones.  Now I think that if the prequels can't stand without their silly references to the OT, then they don't deserve to stand at all.

astromech said:

Episode IV had 'The Great Hand/Flipper Debate'

Episode V has 'The Great Green/Red Laser AND Meteor/Probe Droid Debate'...! 

I wonder what Episode VI will bring....

I have a list of debates just from the little Ady has told us about what he plans for VI...

Johnny Ringo said:

How the hell is GG still in command come ROTS? - All he has done is lose ships, troops, and power weapons. I know the seperatists are all being played by Palpy but it would be nice to see him as a competent opponent from time to time.

I actually started laughing when he abandoned ship for like the third episode in a row.  "Screw you guys, I'm leaving!"

TheBoost said:

professa adyfan said:

i don't need an explanation

because what luke saw was just a meteor

star wars movies do not jump around in time like that

i'm just saying the fact that the probe droid doesn't approach luke and the wampa adds to the case of it not being just a few hundred yards away at that time - and it is conspicuously absent through the whole of the rescue of luke and han. if it had been around it would have recorded the transmissions broadcast from zev and the other rogues (commander skywalker do you copy? captain solo do you copy?) and transmitted them to the empire rather than just an image of a power generator. it didn't do it coz it wasn't in that area at the time.

what are the chances of it landing within spitting distance of vaders number one target when it would have had a vast (maybe planetwide)area to cover

 

 I agree with everything said here. In fact, it never even occured to me that it MIGHT not have been a meteor Luke saw. Gen. Reiken even says 'sure are a lot of meteors around here.'

Interesting, because my experience has been quite the opposite.  Ever since childhood, I figured it was the probe because of the exact same explosion being used.  I always felt dread at Luke wanting to check out the meteor, knowing that the probe would recognize him and start shooting.  Thankfully he was distracted and pulled in the opposite direction by the Wampa.

The probe droid may not have picked up Luke due to interference (from the sensors that Han placed?) and no Rebel sensors picked up the Wampas at all.  Also, the probe didn't pick up that it was surrounded by Han and Chewie until they started yelling and shooting, so maybe its not configured to pick up life forms (or maybe to just ignore them until they pose a threat).  I'm sure all comm chatter was encoded, so the probe may not have picked it up.  So the only thing it could have found was the huge power generator whose signature and size they could not cover up.

Even so, if you were a probe droid and landed on a planet, would you immediately go after the faint life signs you're picking up all the way down a mountain (if you could see them at all), or the HUGE power generator giving off all kinds of energy?

This is the kind of thing Revisited should fix / change definitavely.  If Lucas can't be bothered to clarify anything, Ady can.