doubleofive

ImperialFighter said:

ImperialFighter said:

Monroville said:

The shots are correct, it just seems that the bridge shot needs to be flipped.  If you notice right after the bridge shot, Needa's SD (the one in the middle) is making evasive manuevering and heading downwards, while the SD on the left (and his right) is heading upwards so that they will miss each other.  Regardless, the SD that is about to hit Needa is on Needa's right, not left.

 Yes, I reckon now that the single Stardestroyer could have just 'veered' towards the one on it's RIGHT-hand side in the intervening cut (although it seems to have done it rather quickly!), and I'm agreeing that the 'interior' shot would be the easiest to 'flip' or alter.  You are right that it does indeed seem that the single Stardestroyer is slightly lower than the other 2, as it first approaches, and the Millennium Falcon initially dives downwards.

Screenshots will be helpful for this one.

 

 

Monroville, having had a proper look at this whole sequence now, there are a few comments I'd like to make on it all, and so I'm going to ask doubleofive to give me the specific shots I need, when he can. 

But just to say for now, that I now think we were both wrong, and that the 'interior' shot of Captain Needa's Stardestroyer 'Avenger' is probably okay the way round it is currently, and doesn't need 'flipping' after all....  I'll explain why eventually, as well as suggesting a couple of 'alternative' tweaks that would also work, where that particular moment is concerned. 

 

Joshua_Blue, I always look on it as Vader merely 'swiping' at Luke just enough to 'unbalance' him, and make him have to move backwards a little, so that he'll fall into the carbon freeze opening....which he does.

 

I have the movie in my DVD-ROM drive and am about to take screenshots.  I was going to take some of the Star Destroyers, but I'll wait then. :-)

Savage said:

ImperialFighter said:

By the way, I can't wait to see what Adywan can do to improve / replace the dreadful 'Tie Fighters exploding in the asteroid crevice' shots!....

Agreed!  I brought that one up what seems like AGES ago now, and is probably the one FX shot I'm looking most forward to seeing fixed. :)

Fixed?  If I recall correctly, he said he was SCRAPPING the shot and making a whole new one.  Which is even better than fixing it!

TIE Fighter colors in three steps.  Can any get me this frame from the GOUT to complete the set?

Erikstormtrooper said:

Here's an idea I had regarding his quick turn (but not relating directly to the "reason"). It seems to me that when he confronts Palpatine and discovers he's the Sith, he's almost ready to kill him, but he changes his mind so quickly later. Instead, as per George's original plan, edit the scene in Palpatine's hallway so that Anakin seems conflicted by Palpatine's admission. He ignites his saber breifly, but after some prattle from Palps (insert "reason" here), he turns off his saber, and Palpatine smiles. Scene ends. (Anakin never alerts Mace. The Jedi already suspect Palpatine will not turn over power. I think there's a deleted scene that may be useful here). When Mace shows up, Anakin is nowhere to be seen. But he's actually sulking conflictedly in the shadows (maybe footage from the council chamber scene could be darkened and rotoscoped). While the duel continues, Anakin experiences his true turn: an emotional crescendo where we hear in his mind waves of overlapping voices (Qui Gon: "He is the chose one", Palps: "I see you becoming the greatest of all the Jedi", etc etc.). The voices continue and jumble up, getting louder and becoming unbearable (the right music could really sell this). Just as the voices reach a peak and crash into silence, Palps seems to be beaten. Anakin, now turned, suddenly steps out to quietly dismember Mace. After the electrified Mace flies out the window, the kneeling Anakin simply says "I will do whatever you ask, my master."

And that's my 1 cent.

THAT would be incredible.  Your 1 cent has turned to 5.

Erikstormtrooper said:

The new asteroid field looks nice too, but it's so small on my screen, I feel like I'm missing something. Any chance you have a non-comparison version of the clip just sitting on your hard drive waiting to be uploaded?

I agree.  I had to hold a magazine up to my screen to focus on just one window.  LOL

Ripplin said:

Hey hey.

Just throwing this out there, but how about the Darth Editous (or Darth Editous/ADigitalMan Hybrid) version? It's color corrected (might need to tone down some reds or something) and has far less edits than Ady's.

Yeah, I haven't seen them, but I'm wondering if DE/ADM would be a better starting point or even exactly what you're looking for.  That's the edit Ady saw which inspired him to go one step further.  If you're wanting to go one step back, that might be what you need.  At the very least, you could use it as a base and take elements from ANHR if you really needed them.

Monroville said:

doubleofive said:

Ripplin said:

B'oh! Yes, sorry about that. See, I already downloaded that, then placed it in a folder on my desktop called 'ESB Re extras.' What I watched was an older video called 'asteroid_chase_comparison' rather than the proper one. :p I'm going to watch it now.

That's why I added timestamps to the front of all of my videos.  Also helps so I can see the progress that has been made.  Here is my listing, for those curious:

2008-08-01 esb_1080p_test.mkv

Do you have a link for this one?  I'm really curious as to how this one looks.

 

Also why I put the dates: so i could find the original posts.

http://rapidshare.com/files/134169888/esb_1080p_test.mkv.html

There was one shot when I was going to through the film for ImperialFighter just before Wedge fires his tow cable where you can see the side of the walker THROUGH Luke and his cockpit while Luke is talking!  That will take some skill to get rid of.

When they talk about the Special Editions, they always talk about how they "digitally recomposited" all of the effects shots.  If they did, why are there still matte lines, garbages boxes, and transparent cockpits?  Give Adywan access to those oringal composites for a WEEK and there wouldn't be any of that crap.

Ridiculous.

adywan said:

mrbenja0618 said:

That is freakishly awesome, Ady. What did you do to the asteroids to make them look so good?

the whole background asteroid field i had to rebuild from scratch. The original was just a doubled matte and looked blurred. then there is about 30+ different layers of asteroids added on top to fill the background and give it more depth. The on top of that there are all the single larger asteroids added. The each layer has to have a separate motion path given to match the main motion of the shot. all in all the cockpit shot alone had almost 100 different layers to create it. Even my quad core struggled to render all that so i am so glad i dropped the 1080p idea because i now know it would have been impossible.

The whole asteroid sequence is having a makeover so be prepared. lol

Remember when this was just going to be a color correction / de-SEification?  LOL

The new clip looks amazing.  I read your explanation of all the layers before I went to bed, but I still gasped when I saw it for the first time this morning.

Ripplin said:

B'oh! Yes, sorry about that. See, I already downloaded that, then placed it in a folder on my desktop called 'ESB Re extras.' What I watched was an older video called 'asteroid_chase_comparison' rather than the proper one. :p I'm going to watch it now.

That's why I added timestamps to the front of all of my videos.  Also helps so I can see the progress that has been made.  Here is my listing, for those curious:

2008-03-01 esb_revisited_v2_teaser.mpg
2008-05-22 esb_revisited_comparison.avi
2008-06-04 dagobah_split_screen.avi
2008-06-08 hoth fix 1.avi
2008-06-12 ESBR_preview_.avi
2008-06-12 split screen.avi
2008-06-13 preview_with_proper_colouring.avi
2008-06-22 esb_split_test_2.avi
2008-06-24 cue test.avi
2008-07-01 opening_test.mp4
2008-07-03 vader_emperor_test_track.mp3
2008-07-06 the__old_with_the_new_fun.avi
2008-08-01 esb_1080p_test.mkv
2008-09-21 yodacomparisonsept2008.mkv
2008-09-22 bespin_comparison_sept2008.avi
2008-09-22 yoda_latest_test_xvid.avi
2008-10-02 newest_preview_xvid.avi
2008-10-23 comp_1_23fps.avi
2008-10-24 bespin_hybrid_tester.avi
2008-11-04 asteroid_chase_comparison.avi
2008-12-11 approaching_dagobah_720p_sample.avi
2008-12-11 approaching_dagobah.avi
2008-12-12 hoth_battle_revis.avi
2009-01-01 yoda_tweaked.avi
2009-01-02 yoda_tweaked_FINAL.avi
2009-01-06 asteroid_comparison_xvid.avi

If they make a new logo, we NEED to have a contest to design it.  I would LOVE to see what some of the people here could come up with...

Ripplin said:

I notice in that schematic dealy that AxiaEuxine posted that on the bottom right, near the top of the walker, it says Vehicle Bay. What would they carry? Speeder bikes? TIE fighters? I know this goes into EU territory, having never been shown in the movie, but what's supposed to be in there?

Speeder bikes.

AxiaEuxine said:

The Master Replicas version was built right off of the actual ILM model.

Man, I love that thing.  I wonder if its detailed enough for close up shots for ESBR...  Anyone here have one of the 1000?

Sevb32 said:

 

 

How about cropping out the offending, inaccurate parts un the AT-AT? That would be a lot easier. Ady, you did well with zoomed in shots on ANH revisited, I recall in the rebel Yavin briefing room during the death star attack you cropped it closer with no noticable graininess. The image above is a bit blurry, but I am sure you can make that scene look good in as you did with those other scenes in ANH-R.

 

Also, to make another quick comment on that scene, I think it needs to be darkened a bit as it looks too well lit to be the underbelly of the AT-AT, if they is a way you can darken it some it would be great.

That's an idea.  And since he's going from a 1080p source to ultimately a 480i final product, he has plenty of room to zoom.

Hey, that rhymes!

adywan said:

And the stick will be gone in Revisited. :)

Thank the maker.  The whole "mutli-ton walker falling over" thing loses its weight when you can can basically see ILM under the table pushing over a 2 foot tall model.

ImperialFighter said:

Having said that doubleofive, since you pointed out that 'stick' to me (which I actually had never noticed before!), it's all I can see now, and can't bear to watch this movie again....  :)

The.  Gosh.  Darned.  Stick.

THE STICK!

LOOK AT IT!  IT MOCKS ME!

I would make my own fan edit just to get rid of that stick that pokes up out of the set and pushes the AT-AT over.  Honestly, I think it would be an easy fix, and I would be REALLY UPSET if the stick was in Revisited.

It's always interesting to see ImperialFighter's final product.  I know that I did the screenshots, but I usually have no idea what he's going for.  I find it interesting the things that jump out at him that I never noticed.  Of course, after scouring the shots trying to get the frame he wants, I can see them now.

I just noticed that the feet have much more snow encrusted on them in this shot:

Than in these shots:

Now I'm ruining it for everybody.

ImperialFighter said:

Just a last comment on the whole Yoda thing from me.  I remember when I first read that a 'younger' Yoda design was going to be making an appearance in the then upcoming 'The Phantom Menace' prequel, thinking this would be a fantastic thing, considering he'd been such a great character.  I then remember wondering how he would turn out...and remember coming across this shot of the new Yoda sculpt, which I thought looked rather neat and badass -   http://www.dinocafe.com/gaz/Yoda.jpg

 

Then I eventually saw the version that ended up in the movie...and wondered what the hell happened to the look of the sculpt I'd previously seen! -   http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/4928/tpm-yoda4.jpg

 

At least the follow-up CGI design looks like it could probably age into the original classic look, thankfully.

And Adywan's tweaked Yoda looks to be the best of all.  Speaking of 'badass' Yodas, check these out, lol. -

http://www.alexandgregory.com/images/Darth%20yoda.jpg

http://www.owensworld.com/funnyimages/files/1167_yoda_big.jpg

 

"Darth Yoda" has a goatee, like its from the "Mirror, Mirror" Star Wars universe.  That's awesome.

I seem to always miss the first drafts.  I would love the link to the AVI of the first draft Yoda for my personal archive.  I'm also still looking for the AVI of the first draft of the teaser trailer.

I just watched the final draft now.  And again.

Wow.  I love the Yoda puppet.  Always have.  I think with the subtle tweaks you've added here you're effectively bridging the gap between the puppet and the way-too-emotive CG Yoda.  He looks more like he's forming the words now, and I get shivers now when he says "You will be.  You will be." as I should have had every time.

I think my final test will be to show my wife to see if she even notices something amiss.  She's a Star Wars fan (not sure where that puts us then; fanatics?), so she's seen the originals enough, but I would use her as the judge as how much is too much.

EDIT: Sent my wife the YouTube link at random.  She wrote back:

"wow that looks great!  it doesnt look tweaked at all, natural. nice!"

So there you go.

As for Yoda's wobbly ears, I also recall them specifically mentioning in the AoftC bonus features that they tried to replicate it in the CG model.  So by that logic, its officially not a limitation of the puppet, but a character trait of Yoda.

JediMasterFisher said:

Thank you so much for handbrake! It worked beautifully!

I'm impressed in that little program.  I put my DVD-9 in, pushed the button and it cropped it, shrunk it, and even encoded the text commentary!  Now I'm going to have to make room on my iPod for more movies!

Erikstormtrooper said:

It would be great if someone could put up a torrent of the latest version.

This, very much so.  And Building Empire.  I'm way behind.

I'll restate my opinion of Fett here:

Boba has been hanging out at Jabba's palace just standing there next to Han in Carbonite for no reason really.  No more bounty hunting for a year?  Sure, he probably got tons of cash for bringing Jabba Han and an art piece all at once (the only thing I liked about Shadows of the Empire was Fett twisting Jabba for more money, and that only in the comics), but why would he stick around and not spend the money, or if he lives for the hunt, you know, hunting?

Every shot before he leaves Jabba's side because he senses Luke is going to try something is an insert shot with no other characters in it except for the SE shot of him hitting on a dancer for absolutely no reason.

The only things he does in the movie (not including the SE) is raise his gun at Boush, nod at her afterwards from the same position, walk up to the deck of the sail barge, fly over, shoot and miss at Luke two or three times, get hit in the jetpack (accidentally), scream (not sounding like either the original Boba voice or Temura Morrison), slam against the side of the sail barge, and roll down into the Sarlacc's mouth.

I think Fett should show up in ESB to do a bounty hunting job, catch Solo, then leave.  He did his job, its nothing personal.  He doesn't need to stick around, and he definately didn't need to be killed off, especially if Lucas says that he intended to have a shot of Fett crawling back out.  The easiest way to have Fett not be a threat in the rest of the movie isn't to kill him, its to not have him in it at all.  Maybe have him be a looming threat, because maybe he didn't get paid yet and now wants revenge on Han, or something.  Lucas should have thought of that, but he changes his story all the time, I'm sure Fett was meant to be dead in the Sarlacc when he filmed it.

But that's my opinion, of course.

Another RotJ question though:

Sarlacc, with mouth or without?  I know it looks kind of like Audrey II, but I honestly think the mouth thing helps with the danger instead of being just a hole with teeth.  Did it need to be done?  Of course not.  Do I think it improves the scene?  I think so.

EDIT: I forgot that Boba tries to tie up Luke with some rope, then gets knocked over.

Bewy said:

Hi there

I was just wondering (and sorry if mentioned in previous posts) where I could find the XVID version of ANH:R Purist Edition, because I can't register on demonoid.com (where it is findable) and on other sites there are no more seeds for the torrent.

Any idea someone?

Thanks :)

Sorry, there is no XVID of Purist.  Someone may have made one, but the official Purist release is a DVD5.

Handbrake looks cool.  I might have to use it to make my copy for iPod.

I don't get these people who have RRODs frequently.  I have one of the last launch 360s (couldn't wait for the HDMI to hit the Pro model back then) and the only overheating problem I've ever had was when I had my HD DVD adapter (I know, I'm full of impatience) sitting on top of it and the adapter overheated a couple of times when it wasn't even doing anything.

Yes, it gets really hot and its really loud, but I've never had a problem with it.  I do only play it a couple times a week, if that.

Watch, I'll get home and play it tonight and it will overheat...

I think this might work for you.  I was thinking of doing that myself, thanks for reminding me.

I enjoyed the opera scene because Palpatine made it sound like I was right.  Back in 2000, I was sitting around thinking about TPM, when it hit me: What if Palpatine cloned midiclorians and put them inside a slave girl on a backwater planet so he could have an all-powerful apprentice he could pick up whenever he pleased?  Why else would Lucas have introduced a scientific aspect to the force if it can't be manipulated?  Then the Jedi found the boy and Palpatine thinks "This is even better, they found my experiment, and they're going to teach him all of the basic Force usage stuff he would need.  I just need to get close to him and turn him when he gets powerful enough."  Of course, I thought that was odd, and something Palpatine would have said in RotJ trying to sway Luke.  "You can't redeem your father.  He is mine.  I created him.  In a way... I am your grandfather!"

I raised a fist in the air in triumph during that scene.  Of course, he doesn't just come out and say it.  And it may not even be a true statement on Palpatine's part.  But one day when I was 16, my mind worked the same as Lucas'.  I wrote it all down, I know I still have it somewhere...