doubleofive

Also it would be cool if we all could do our own blue screen shots and Ady matte us all working on the ships.  That would be awesome.  Everyone from the boards in cameos in one scene.

I think Adywan plans for an all new matte.  Not sure if he'll use the live action boxes there, but that would be awesome.  Seeing how Adywan is getting the HD camera, I wouldn't be surprised if he built a model docking bay and ships to go in it.

Either way, I think if we do mockups for the docking bay, we should be matteing AROUND the live action shots.

Love the new video, but its hard looking for things subtracted from the movie!  LOL

Why on earth would they have worked so hard on transparent shadows?  I mean, someone had to have looked at that while they were doing it and said "hey, this doesn't seem right..."

Great work, as usual.  Glad to know that Luke's bobbing head is gone.  It was one of those things I always noticed after it being pointed out.

They can sqeeze two discs into a digipak now.  It's quite impressive.

Fang Zei said:

-saving all the old VFX elements: they're right about that. Any making-of on the SE will mention this.

I wish he would open source all of these elements and let someone with the time and patience re-composite the whole movie.  All I can see now is transparency!

mrbenja0618 said:

I'm personally looking forward to the Taun Taun action figure complete with gutted belly!

I have the vintage Taun Taun with the open belly you could stick Luke in.  Admittedly, it didn't have guts that spilled out, but that wouldn't be too hard. :-P

Are you going to be working from the 16:9 Cartoon Network version, or the 2.35:1 SKYHD version?

AxiaEuxine said:

Just becuase you all hate the prequels and anything else that came out post 83 doesnt mean you shouldnt still enjoy whatever is left. I for one think theyve ruined the Bond franchise with the last two movies. Are they decent spy movies? Sure but they arent Bond movies. I still enjoy the movies that came before though. Im not going to let the fact that holloywood needed to gut the franchise of any Bond like things to make ordinary spy movies that appealed to a wider audience stop me from enjoying Goldeneye and any other Bond movie.

So just becuase you think Star Wars went in some direction you didnt care for dont let it stop you from enjoying A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, three of the best movies ever made.

Then there are some people like me who couldn't get into Bond before the new movies (my screenname is from my GoldenEye 007 on N64 days, still haven't seen the movie), but I'm at least willing to give all of them a shot now.  It doesn't make the point this thread is trying to get to, but I'm sure some people got into Star Wars through the prequels.

I think if Lucas really had all of the VFX elements, he should have actually gone through and recomposited EVERYTHING.  There are way too many transparent mattes that could be elminated 100% if he actually had them.  I'm sure he still has the CG files, but this whole thing comes from a post on a thread.

I don't think Lucas has the original VFX.  It may not be true, but that's what I think.

DarkFather said:

I'm in disagreement. I like the first image better because the shadows give the corridor a foreboding mystery.

I think it makes it look like that part of the city is OFF.  Like someone forgot to pay the electric bill.

adywan said:

Monroville said:

Is there any way just to order it from the american website and have it shipped to the UK?   Even with a 6% sales tax, it shouldn't come out to more than $636.00.  If you have someone over here you know you can trust, if Amazon.com doesn't ship to the Uk someone here could buy it at the cheaper price and then ship it to you.  I know that's a big risk, but $636 is a lot better than essentially $1009.85 (at least converted through xe.net)

Also, I take it that the US version is locked at the 24fps rate, or can it be altered between different frame rate settings?

well i had been thinking about that but it really isn't viable for me to do it this way. for one it can be a nightmare to transfer the warranty from the US to the UK and if anything went wrong i would be stuck with a dead machine . many large companies refuse to do humour and American warranty in the UK. Then  there's the chance that i get heavily taxed by customs but the main thing is that the NTSC version suffers with the jerky footage when using the 24p mode. The PAL version does suffer with this problem. The thing is that the NTSC machine runs at 30p & 60i. For cinema mode it records at 60i then converts the footage inside the camera in 24p cinema mode which causes the duplicate frames or applied pulldown  because 60 is not divisible by 24. now the PAL machine does 25p cinema mode. the cameras main setting record at 25p & 50i. Because of this no extra frames are added so this results in smooth motion. It would be too much hassle trying to figure out a way to remove the duplicate frames from the NTSC model to be able to use the footage. Plus the voltage differences for the power supply is also a problem between our 2 countries.

The Pal machine purchased from a UK company is the only viable option.

I've got down to needing just slightly under £200 to get this machine now. i'm hoping i can get it pretty soon because the place i was going to purchase from have gone down from 6 left in stock to just 4 in less than a day. i guess it being much cheaper than anywhere else means that it isn't going to last at that price for much longer

in regards to me shipping out the workload for the models etc to save money it really doesn't cost me that much to build these things as i have most of the materials i need around the house anyway, plus i love making stuff anyway.

First thing i'm going to do when i get the camcorder is film the new wampa so you can all see what its like and post the first making of video. i'm using my old crappy camcorder to film the step by step building progress of the wampa puppet for this then the finished puppet will be filmed with the HD camcorder and you'll get to see the complete new scene

So do you edit in 25p and then stretch it to 29.98 for us Yanks?  The real question is do you work with the sped up audio when you're working on the audio side?  Just curious.

vaderios said:

doubleofive said:

You know, I never noticed that they actually tried to match the damage between movies.  It's good to know that somebody was trying to tie together the prequels to the originals

Thats a fact. In ROTS extras they said that ;)

 

-Angel

 

That'd be awesome if they had actually rolled their eyes and said exactly that.

Last time I watched the originals straight through, I tried to watch them thinking the whole time about the connections, Hayden behind the mask, etc. etc.  It didn't work.  No matter how hard I tried, I could not reconcile the prequels with the originals.

Heck, this guy watched them straight through for the first time ever and couldn't do it.

1Shouta said:

I just became a Star Wars fan several months ago. I watched them in the numbered order, that's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6.

Besides that, the 2004 SE was the first vesions of the OT I saw, so I have different view on it. But I'm sure that I'd be pretty pissed if I grew up watching a perfect movie and then in the future they completely screw it up.

Even though I've only seen the SE of the OT, after reading about all of this I see what problems the changes I saw were.

Reaction to certain scenes:

 

A New Hope:

"Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough": Anakin didn't even know he had a son...

Jabba/Han scene: I imagined Han's boss to be a bit...different

Luke's falcon training: Isn't he supposed to have a blue lightsaber?

Obi-Wan vs Darth Vader: Wonder why Obi-Wan calls him, "Darth"...

 

Empire Strikes Back:

Luke & Leia kiss: Wait, didn't Padme name her babies Luke & Leia?

Yoda's appearance: Did...is Yoda on drugs or something? And his voice got...heavier

Cloud City entrance: I seriously doubt that this scene was in the original version...

Vader/Emperor scene: Palpatine looks exactly the same as he did in Episode III. Don't people age?

"I am your father": I already suspected this in either one of the movies since it's probably the most heard quote

 

Return Of The Jedi:

Jabba's appearance: *just realizes that Episode I had Jabba* Alright, Episode IV CG Jabba officially sucks. This is much better.

Leia says she remembers her mother: BULL. SHIT.

Palpatine's appearance: He looks like he lost weight compared to Episode III & V...

Unmasking scene: If Anakin was burned, why does he only have burn marks on the side of his cheek?

Anakin/Obi-Wan/Yoda final scene: Why is Anakin just looking around everywhere?

My dad's reaction to the final scene: Who's that guy on the left?

 

Now typing this out helps me see why the PT kinda ruined the OT.

This point of view is rarely heard in these forums.  We've known these movies our whole lives, and the PT and SE are some kind of outside force trying to change what we think about the OT.  It's nice to see that even people watching them straight through for the first time can see the complete lack of care for the OT in the PT and SE.

Thanks for sharing!

You know, I never noticed that they actually tried to match the damage between movies.  It's good to know that somebody was trying to tie together the prequels to the originals

rcb said:

i know this is out of topic here, but i was watching ESB earlier and i was wondering if

we could update the radars in echo base like ady did in ANHR with yavin base with the

deathstar deal. its somewat believable, but nothing moves on them and when han

finds leia with general reiken in the control room. when a blast comes the panales

wobbled back and forth like plastic or something. anyway to improve that.

How is that off topic?  They were discussing international shipping! :-P

TMBTM said:

That would be kind of neat actually. It would be spooky.

I kind of agree, just for a second, then after a blink, back to normal.

Like someone else pointed out, Anakin only had Sith Eyes after marching on the Jedi Temple, killing younglings, and wiping out the entire Seperatist leadership.  I don't think Luke was that angry.

Besides, Adywan said that he'll probably be getting rid of those Sith Eyes anyway, so no luck adding them in here.

FanFiltration said:

doubleofive said:

Are you going to be fixing visual mistakes when you do your fan edit?

 

Most definitely!

Awesome.  Do you have a list you're going to be working off of?

vaderios said:

I want.....

 

...Cookies :)

 

-Angel

Now THAT looks like someone who was burned half to death and hasn't seen a sun in 20 years!

FanFiltration said:

Wookie Ookie said:

 It just dawned on me tonight as I was looking through some of my assorted Trek claptrap, that Nimoy, Takei, Nichols, and Koenig all have autobiographies with audio versions. I haven't listened to them in quite a while, but I am pretty sure at least Nimoy and Koenig had some decent discussion of their STTMP experiences. Have you had an opporunity to listen to any of those, Mr. FanFiltration? The versions I have are on audio cassette (which I suspect is the only way they were released back in the late '90s).

 

This sounds like a great idea, but right now this project is far too overloaded with extras. I'm going to first release my Special Longer edit with most of the extras I have ready now. In a few months I will release my fan edit of The Motion Picture, and at that time we can include more extras such as the one you suggested above.

 

FF

Are you going to be fixing visual mistakes when you do your fan edit?

sketchrob said:

Merry Christmas to you Ady, that should take care of it :)

I hope sketchrob gets his own line in the credits for this.

• Financial Consideration by                 sketchrob
  

720p, newly filmed footage, physical models, and a possible documentary?

This is the best day since ANHR was released.

Awesome news about the 720p!  Higher quality is always better.  The slug looks better also, really like the new Falcon not flying in a straight line.

A suggestion just hit me yesterday that I've wanted to see forever, but completely forgot:

In the carbon freezing chamber, the following dialog takes place according to the script:

VADER: Calrissian, take the princess and the Wookiee to my ship.

LANDO: You said they'd be left in the city under my supervision.

VADER: I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further.

Lando's hand instinctively goes to his throat as he turns
to Leia, Chewie, and Threepio.

I always thought that maybe Lando didn't have to do this instinctively, but Vader gives him a little squeeze in anger.  I'd love to hear a little of the Force Choke Rumble under the word "pray", just to make Lando not look like he's just scratching his throat.

I love it, love it, love it, love it.  The whole thing.  From Luke's shock at another Death Star on the horizon to Piett (who I've always liked) sacrificing himself and the Executor to save everyone.

I would love to see this come to fruition in RotJR.  I haven't been this excited about the project since I realized that we had the power to remove Boba Fett and kill off Lando.  I wish we could kill off a major character earlier in the movie to give the rest some added danger.