doubleofive

rcb said:

i know this is out of topic here, but i was watching ESB earlier and i was wondering if

we could update the radars in echo base like ady did in ANHR with yavin base with the

deathstar deal. its somewat believable, but nothing moves on them and when han

finds leia with general reiken in the control room. when a blast comes the panales

wobbled back and forth like plastic or something. anyway to improve that.

How is that off topic?  They were discussing international shipping! :-P

TMBTM said:

That would be kind of neat actually. It would be spooky.

I kind of agree, just for a second, then after a blink, back to normal.

Like someone else pointed out, Anakin only had Sith Eyes after marching on the Jedi Temple, killing younglings, and wiping out the entire Seperatist leadership.  I don't think Luke was that angry.

Besides, Adywan said that he'll probably be getting rid of those Sith Eyes anyway, so no luck adding them in here.

FanFiltration said:

doubleofive said:

Are you going to be fixing visual mistakes when you do your fan edit?

 

Most definitely!

Awesome.  Do you have a list you're going to be working off of?

vaderios said:

I want.....

 

...Cookies :)

 

-Angel

Now THAT looks like someone who was burned half to death and hasn't seen a sun in 20 years!

FanFiltration said:

Wookie Ookie said:

 It just dawned on me tonight as I was looking through some of my assorted Trek claptrap, that Nimoy, Takei, Nichols, and Koenig all have autobiographies with audio versions. I haven't listened to them in quite a while, but I am pretty sure at least Nimoy and Koenig had some decent discussion of their STTMP experiences. Have you had an opporunity to listen to any of those, Mr. FanFiltration? The versions I have are on audio cassette (which I suspect is the only way they were released back in the late '90s).

 

This sounds like a great idea, but right now this project is far too overloaded with extras. I'm going to first release my Special Longer edit with most of the extras I have ready now. In a few months I will release my fan edit of The Motion Picture, and at that time we can include more extras such as the one you suggested above.

 

FF

Are you going to be fixing visual mistakes when you do your fan edit?

sketchrob said:

Merry Christmas to you Ady, that should take care of it :)

I hope sketchrob gets his own line in the credits for this.

• Financial Consideration by                 sketchrob
  

720p, newly filmed footage, physical models, and a possible documentary?

This is the best day since ANHR was released.

Awesome news about the 720p!  Higher quality is always better.  The slug looks better also, really like the new Falcon not flying in a straight line.

A suggestion just hit me yesterday that I've wanted to see forever, but completely forgot:

In the carbon freezing chamber, the following dialog takes place according to the script:

VADER: Calrissian, take the princess and the Wookiee to my ship.

LANDO: You said they'd be left in the city under my supervision.

VADER: I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further.

Lando's hand instinctively goes to his throat as he turns
to Leia, Chewie, and Threepio.

I always thought that maybe Lando didn't have to do this instinctively, but Vader gives him a little squeeze in anger.  I'd love to hear a little of the Force Choke Rumble under the word "pray", just to make Lando not look like he's just scratching his throat.

I love it, love it, love it, love it.  The whole thing.  From Luke's shock at another Death Star on the horizon to Piett (who I've always liked) sacrificing himself and the Executor to save everyone.

I would love to see this come to fruition in RotJR.  I haven't been this excited about the project since I realized that we had the power to remove Boba Fett and kill off Lando.  I wish we could kill off a major character earlier in the movie to give the rest some added danger.

darthmilo77 said:

C3PX said:

Nope. Idea is all yours if you want it.

 

This would be a cool Youtube film. I'd love to see an IG droid going around with a phone book page in his hand killing off every Shimi Skywalker on the entire planet. If I had the animation skills, I'd totally do it. Though if that South Park episode has any shred of reality to it whatsoever, it seems it is pretty much impossible to get those youtube guys to pay up, and when they do it is only in theoretical dollars.

Hello! I'm new to this forum, but I've been reading it for a while, and I stumbled across this idea today.

I'm a partner on YouTube (what with the revenue sharing and all) and have the time and resources to make this in stop-motion with Legos. Maybe we could all work something out?

Stop-motion LEGO would be the perfect medium for this project!

Here's my mockup:

About halfway through, I noticed that due to the direction of the ships that it should be the DS2 in this shot (there was nothing there originally).  But it does get the thought across.

vaderios said:

Suggestions of how the death stars should look.

Give me some info to bother my head :)

 

-Angel

So if I understand it right, the Emperor's is complete (using images from ANH) and comes around the moon and starts shooting (it could even be smaller like the DS1 since it got completed faster), while Jejerrod's half-complete one (the DS2) is the bait.  Piett smashes the Executor into the DS1 which due to its smaller size is destroyed and Lando blows up the DS2 as its about to fire on Endor.

Shouldn't be too hard to throw together some mock-ups, vaderios.  I have some ideas and if I can find the right shots online, I'll do some of my own.

Bingowings said:

In the original treatment for Revenge Of The Jedi there were TWO Death Stars being built as seen in this production painting :

It might also be a fun addition to an alternative version to have Jejerrod being presurred into completing one Death Star (the one the Rebels know about) but the Emperor overseeing the construction of a different Death Star.

The audience is lead to expect that they are the same Death Star until Luke notices when looking out of the window as the station moves that the battlestation he is now on is not the one that the battle is taking place near.

Moving the line "you have paid the price for your lack of vision" so it takes place before "the Alliance will die"  would add a heck of a punch to Luke's near flip to the dark side.

It would also add weight to the Emperor's line "We are quite safe from your friends here".

This one is mobile and is moved into the battle once the Rebels are pinned in between the other Death Star and the fleet.

The Emperor orders Jejerrod to fire from his Death Star while the other moves in and fires into the battle from the other side.

"There are too many of them!" can now be replaced with a line from TPM "Now there are two of them!" .

Because Lando has moved the Rebel fleet close to the Imperial one almost as many Imperial ships are being destroyed by the Death Stars as Rebel ships because the gunners can't pick a target.

Piett finally has had enough of Sith Lords and orders an attack on the second Death Star and rams into the uncomplete section (after the Emperor has been killed) so now the Executor goes down for a very good reason (saving the Admiral's fleet) and peace between the Imperials and the Rebels is more believable because during the battle they both end up fighting on for their lives against a common enemy.

Jejerrod seeing the end is up tries to turn his Death Star onto the forest moon, wiping out both the Rebels and the mutineers but the Rebels destroy the reactor before this can be accomplished.

These changes are a bit out there but they would make the film much more different than just a rehash of ANH and a bit closer to what Jedi originally was going to be.

That actually might work.  It would be hard, but it just might.

vaderios said:

AxiaEuxine said:

BTW Vaderios what are you using to capture screenshots?

 

VLC Player---> Video---> Snapshot :)

 

Misplace of saber blade :)

Edit: Here is my idea. It have more danger and sense that the dude who pop up from jabba's ship actually try to shoot luke.

And....

 

Who cares about jedi training and the force...

One red bu.... I mean liquid schwartz can give you wings :)

-Angel

Good idea on the middle one, hilarious about the bottom one.  But the top one has something that doesn't need to be there.  I'd love to see how you get rid of the Fett.

AxiaEuxine said:

OK I was kind of skimming through this thread and dont really want to read 1,000,000 posts. Whats with this lightsaber blade color thing? Why change all the prequel blades? Thats a horrible idea.

They're just throwing around ideas.  Mostly that maybe the New Jedi Order should have green blades, the first being Luke's.  Originally Luke's lightsaber was going to be blue, so that shows that at one point there were only supposed to be two colors, blue and red.  Maybe all Jedi were supposed to have blue sabers?

But that boat has sailed.  Jedi have all the colors of the rainbow, and I think we should keep it that way.

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Bingowings said:

If it could be done I'd try dubbing Yoda's repeat of his first lesson to Luke while he is dying so instead of saying "Once you start down the Dark path etc..." He says the lines from ROTS "Rejoice for those around you who transform into the Force. Mourn them do not" (it may be impossible to modulate and break up the line to get that near death performance but I'll give it a go).

Yoda is sensing that Luke's doubts are growing now that he is losing his teacher, Ben later reminds him not to underestimate Vader and the Emperor.

Luke got the dark path lesson in ESB he hasn't received that nugget of wisdom from Yoda yet and it would be a sensible parallel with Anakin's fear of losing his wife and Luke's fear of losing his sister being the pivots on which their anger and potential to do evil balance.

 

 Woah...this could be a good idea...hmmm

Its a shame a bunch of fans sitting in a forum had to come up with that connection.

That's awesome.

Bingowings said:

TLSO said:

Haha I actually figured that would happen to me. :P Only I was on Ubuntu, and I was too lazy to boot Windows so I could tool around in PhotoShop.

I'm pretty close to doubling up onto Ubuntu myself after seeing the better half having such a great time with it.

There is a lot of great free software on that system.

Photoshop is the only thing keeping me on Windows at home.  I don't play my PC games anymore.

ChainsawAsh said:

The problem with that is the font.  When I change the font size, the lines get smaller.  I haven't found a good workaround for this.  I do know exactly what you mean though, I thought the same thing as I was making them.

Do you have the font in solid?  Cause then you could just type it out and select the outline and contract the selection however many pixels you need.  Or visa versa.  That would make them all the same size.

EDIT: I experimented for too long with it and didn't reply fast enough.  Glad to know I was trying to do it right.

TLSO posted some great versions of the title logos in the DVD Covers thread (link goes right to the post).  He has a decent "A New Hope" logo I'd love to see outlined.  I also like how his "S" in RotS goes under the logo in his version.

Octorox said:

Just to clarify I didn't mean the super duper doubled voice just after transformation but once it's "settled" like towards the end of the movie when he's talking to Vader.

Thank goodness.  Thought we were going to have to kick you out! ;-)

Octorox said:

Here's an idea. artificially slow down all of the emperor's lines and add the deep vocal effect from ROTS. The emperor sounds so stupid in ROTJ IMO. Make his eyes more like ROTS too.

I agree with other posters who dislike this idea.  For me, RotS is watchable up to the point when Palpatine starts speaking with like 7 voices.  I was literally embarassed in the theater when I heard that.  Ridiculous.

I actually thought that vaderios had switched the bottom two pictures and I really didn't like the lens flare he used.  Only later did I realize that that was what was originally there.  Ew.

Bingowings said:

Here's my first stab at beefing up the crawl :

I love this new crawl.  Can you type it out for us in whole?

My turn on the commentary on the list!

Comments in Bold

Opening:

1. Consider the more radical re-edits to the entire movie (RotJ: Fan-O-Matic) I agree the movie needs a lot of help.
   
2. Change the opening crawl to something more dramatic than "Luke Skywalker has returned to his home planet of Tatooine in an attempt to rescue his friend Han Solo from the clutches of the vile gangster Jabba The Hutt" See number 1
   
3. Add evidence of construction vehicles working on the Death Star, maybe even as just hints of movement around the incomplete side. I like this idea.
   
4. Replace the shot of the Star Destroyer going overhead with a shot of the shuttle coming from the Executor. Vader coming from a regular Star Destroyer doesn't make sense. Yes, its like the first movie, but this movie is enough like the first one as it is.
   

Tatooine:

1. Remove Boba Fett from the film. I could not agree more.
   
2. Change Jawa eyes to match ANH. Noticed the Jawas, never noticed the difference.
   
3. "Cantina"-ize Jabba's speech and expressions. Ady knows how to make it subtle.
   
4. "Cantina"-ize other aliens in the Palace. Sure, if any of them stand still long enough.
5. Make Bib Fortuna's tentacles move occasionally. Pointless, but probably easy enough.
   
6. Remove Greedo's dialog from the background noice in Jabba's Palace. One of those things where once its been pointed out, its all you can hear.
   
7. Remove 3PO's line of "Look, it's Captain Solo and he's still frozen in Carbonite!" I'm not against this line.
   
8. Cut down on Salacious Crumb's laughter. I don't mind the little bugger.
   
9. Cut/shorten the Droid Torture scene. Never understood why / how droid torture worked. Trim it definately.
   
10. Remove Jedi Rocks. Very yes.
    
11. Remove Fett flirting with the dancer. No Fett.
    
12. Restore Lapti Nek. If you must. I'm not about any dance numbers in the movie.
    
13. Fix the flipped shots of Fett. No Fett.
14. Change Boushh's dialog to be a more "realistic" language. With no lips to match, we have free reign.
    
15. Mix up Jabba's minion's reaction to Boushh's thermal detenator so Fett isn't the only one who pulls out his gun. Not sure how this would be possible.
    
16. Cut Lando pulling his mask down after he hits his head on the low ceiling. Nothing wrong with that, but...
    
17. Remove Lando hitting his head on the low ceiling. ...that needs help.
    
18. Remove the belch from the creature outside Jabba's Palace. Eh, this could stay or go.
    
19. Enhance the carbonite thawing process. Always up for more shiny.
    
20. Add Han's restraints when he is unfrozen. Yay, continuity!
    
21. Remove Han's scene with Chewie in the dungeons. Not sure why we would do that.
    
22. Remove Luke using Force Choke on the guards. Force Choke really doesn't fit in with the Jedi code.
    
23. Add Mara Jade (from the EU) to Jabba's Palace. If we get rid of the Boba Fett fanwank, why put another in?
    
24. Cut the Rancor Keeper's mourning. Nothing wrong with keeping this in. It's pointless, but nothing wrong with it.
    
25. Remove SE Bantha herd. I like the herd.
    
26. Restore pre-SE Sarlacc. I like the beak.
    
27. Add more menancing sounds to the SE Sarlacc. I'd like the beak better if it didn't sound like a "dying seagull."
    
28. Fix jump cut as R2's panel comes open and the lightsaber pops up. All jump cuts need fixed.
    
29. Add the knob to the top of the emitter to the saber that comes out of R2. Sure, continuity is great.
    
30. Shorten the amount of time Luke has his hand in the air waiting for his lightsaber. Reducing the time Luke stands with his hand in the air in this movie would be great.
    
31. "Restore" Luke's lightsaber to the preproduction blue. Fun to see, pointless to do.
    
32. Make it so Luke's lightsaber leaves slash marks on Jabba's crew. Yes, please.
    
33. Remove/replace the scream as Fett spirals out of control. No Fett.
34. Make it so Han deliberately hits or shoots Fett using shots from later in the movie. No Fett.
35. Make it so Luke beheads Fett. No Fett.
36. Make it so Luke deflects a bolt at Fett which sets off his backpack. No Fett.
37. Fix Fett's jetpack as they come out at the wrong angle currently. No Fett.
38. Have Fett shoot at the Sarlacc as he falls into it. No Fett.
39. Add a shot of Fett crawling/flying out of the Sarlacc. No Fett.
40. Fix it so Luke actually kicks the guard while Fett flies out of control in the background. This use of "Force Kick" has always bothered me / cracked me up.
    
41. Restore Han's "Trust me" line. Could go either way. Maybe we could use both lines?
    
42. Make it so Luke doesn't have his hand straight up in the air to get shot. See number 30.
    
43. Remove Luke's hand damage from before he gets shot. Continuity please.
    
44. Attempt to restore the deleted Sandstorm scene and remove the ship-to-ship conversation. Impossible to do.
    

Dagobah:

1. "Cantina"-ize Yoda. Yes, subtle.
   
2. Do something about Yoda's obvious rubber hand during his death scene. Yoda always had rubber hands...
   
3. Tweak/cut Yoda's disappearance. Tweak yes, or make Obi Wan the only Jedi who disappears.
   
4. Recolor the blue Force Ghosts to prevent confusion with blue holograms. No, ghosts don't have scan lines.
   
5. No Luke/Leia relation. Interesting if one could make it work with the rest of the movie. Does seem rather tacked on.
   

Rebel Fleet:

1. Recut Rebel Briefing. Sure, here and there.
   
2. Shorten/cut the huggy Luke and Co. reunion ("I'm with you too" and on). Eh, maybe.
   
3. Different Shuttle Class for Tydyrium. Definately yes. "Parts and Technical" use the same class of ship as the EMPEROR?!
   
4. Replace/enhance matte painting of Rebel docking bay. Replace the matte.
   

Forest Moon of Endor:

1. Add Endor so that the Forest Moon is actually a moon of something. Yes, a la Yavin.
   
2. Change Ewoks to Wookiees. Impossible.
   
3. Complete removal of Ewoks. Come on, with some tweaking, they could be great.
   
4. "Cantina"-ize the Ewoks. Yes, very much.
   
5. Add 3PO's line "I believe they are called... Ewoks" from the Radio Drama. I love this idea.
   
6. Stabilize the speeder bikes during the chase. Never noticed, but sure.
   
7. Adjust the scene so it looks like the Scout pushes Luke off of his speeder bike. Luke bailing out on is pretty lame, but his landing shows that he was prepared for it.
   
8. Do something with Leia remembering her mother, her real mother. Yes, either cut this (I expected Lucas to in 2004) or fix RotS.
   
9. Change Vader's line of "Obi-wan once thought as you do" to "Your mother once thought as you do". I'd have to hear it first.
   
10. Cut Teebo's Speeder Bike Adventure. I could go either way.
    
11. Add more Imperial laser fire as the Ewoks attack. I'm always up for more lasers, no matter the color.
    
12. Add AT-AT to ground battle. Impossible.
    
13. Cut Chewie's Tarzan yell. Yes, even though I saw Tarzan AFTER Jedi and thought he was making fun of Chewie.
    
14. Enhance AT-ST explosion that is crushed between the two logs. Better explosions are always welcome.
    
15. Enhance AT-ST explosion that is shot by Chewie's AT-ST. See number 14.
    
16. Remove Harrison Ford's reflection from safety glass as he runs from the bunker. Yes, bothered me forever. They fixed the reflection in Raiders without calling it a "Special Edition", but couldn't do it here?
    
17. The shield generator explosion is huge and looks like it would probably wipe out everyone in the area. It is a little big, but totally awesome!
    

Death Star Attack:

1. Rebel fighters crashing into the DS shield. Very yes!
   
2. More fighters overall (B-wings and A-wings especially). Sure, in the less crowed scenes add some B-Wings blowing the crap out of an SD.
   
3. Fix garbage spots in "one of the battle shots" where ships were not added. Garbage is always bad.
   
4. Just before Lando says "Yes, I said closer", some of the background ships don't tilt with the rest of the shot. All mistakes should be fixed.
   
5. Remove green matte boxes around ships. Matte boxes are inexcusable.
   
6. Remove/replace some of the copy/paste capital ships. I understand only having one or two models, but they could at least take pictures from different angles.
   
7. Add more laser fire as the capital ships should be pounding on one another (a la the RotS opening). Yes, especially the shots of the fighters flying between them.
   
8. Add shots of Rebel capital ships attacking the surface of the DS (storyboard) That'd be cool.
   
9. Better end to the Executor. Never really thought it was bad, but some of the suggestions I read are much more awesome.
   
10. Add shots of the gunner stations on the DS (from ANH). Eh, not needed. This battle is more about piloting through the interior and less about dodging laser fire.
    
11. Redub the Rebel pilot line: "Copy, Gold Leader". As long as its me. ;-)
    
12. Kill Lando, blow up the Falcon. Justify Han's feeling like he's "never going to see her again." I'd really love this, if it works.
    
13. Remove ring from DS explosion. Whole new explosion with chunks, please!
    

Death Star Interior - Luke/Vader Duel:

1. Replace/enhance cardboard troopers during the Emperor's arrival. Call the 501st, have them stand at attention. Ta-da, replacement troops!
   
2. Replace the Emperor's advisers with Nemoidians. Pointless.
   
3. Fix the Emperor's "slugs". Still don't understand them or notice them, but I want them gone!
   
4. Move the exterior battle closer to the Throne Room window as it should be (a la the RotS opening). Closer, but not too close. And remember, ALL of the fighters left fly into the Death Star when the shields come down.
   
5. Remove/soften the more obvious lightsaber blade shadows. I am a firm believer that light doesn't cast a shadow.
   
6. Fix large black matte that covers half the screen when Vader is kicked down the stars. Never saw it, but fix it!
   
7. Fix Vader's blade coming out the wrong end of his saber as he throws it to cut the catwalk. Sometimes I pause to laugh at that, so fixing it would deprive me of pointing it out and laughing.
   
8. Remove Luke's lightsaber from Vader's hand while Luke is hiding. Yes, unfortunately we can't restore WHY he had it in the first place.
   
9. Edit Vader's dialog to hiding Luke to remove some cheesy lines. I like the lines.
   
10. Add Luke pulling his lightsaber out of Vader's hand after he is done hiding. Unless we can explain why Vader had it, he doesn't need it.
    
11. Add Sith eyes while Luke is beating Vader. Eh, no.
    
12. Cut some of Luke's angry hits on Vader while he's down. I'd say add more!
    
13. Add more Sith Lightning. Not sure how you can add more, but sure.
    
14. Tighten up Vader's hesitation to save Luke from the Emperor. Maybe a second or two...
    
15. Add Qui Gon voiceover to Vader's hesitation to imply that Qui Gon passes his secrets of Jedi Ghosthood to Anakin. How about no?
    
16. Add flashbacks to Vader's hesitation of Padme, his mother, Qui Gon, etc. Eh, no.
    
17. Fix saber on/off issues. I'm sure Ady will figure out when the sabers are supposed to be on or off.
    
18. Restore Sebastian Shaw's eyebrows to the unmasking scene. I'm not too hot on that.
    
19. Fix the transition from Sebastian Shaw's face to the bald cap he wears. Sure, why not?
    

Ending:

1. Fix Luke's lazy eye as he looks at the funeral pyre. Never noticed.
   
2. Add Leia viewing the funeral pyre. She doesn't care.
   
3. Remove SE celebrations. Yes, the rest of the galaxy wouldn't know, unless they were watching it live on pay-per-view.
   
4. Restore pre-2004 buildings to the background of the Coruscant celebration. Its a city planet, why do the building we see have to be next to the only two buildings we ever see there?
   
5. Remove the "Weesa free!" line from the Naboo celebration. Unless Gungans are toned down in TMPR, keep it.
   
6. Restore Yub Nub. No. Just no. That is a terrible way to end the saga. End that movie, yes; end that trilogy, maybe; end the whole 6 episode plus saga, no.
   
7. Restore Sebastian Shaw as Anakin's Force Ghost. Yes.
   
8. Attempt to morph Shaw and Christensen into the Anakin Force Ghost. That would be weird, I think, since Shaw looks happy and Christensen looks creepy.
   
9. Add other Jedi from the prequels appearing next to Obi-wan, Yoda, and Anakin. A bit cheesy.