doubleofive

Jaxon's Dad said:

Ady,

Great work as usual. Was wondering if you were going to do something to the matte painting of the gantry/shaft/control room exterior? Specifically, the current establishing shot does a faux zoom. It doesn't ring true because the zoom is more or less static, that is, both foreground and background elements zoom at the same rate. I hope I'm not confusing the issue. Another forum member addressed this in a video demo, but i can't recall who that was. Keep up the great work.

Best,

JD 

I think Ady is making a whole new gantry/shaft/control room exterior, so no worries.

I have to thank corellian77 for reading my mind and actually drawing out the rough sketch I was trying to draw EXACTLY as I envisioned it.  You did forget the set of stairs they go down after your "elevator?" marking.

Vaderios, great 3-D model, I'm sure you can work with it to make perfection.

Darth Piccolo, like most of Vaderios' work, the dynamic lightsaber lighting is great, but practically impossible to do frame by frame.  Sucks, I know.

R2-918 said:

I recently bought four Star Wars Trilogy DVD Box Sets (The 2006 OOT DVDs that were re-released last November) I now have four DVDs each of the original versions of the films, I gave the 2004 versions to my friend. I just don't think we'll ever see the OOT released on Blu-ray thats why I bought so many of these OOT DVDs. I know they don't look as clean or sharp as the 04' versions and thier not anamorphic but then again they certainly look better then any past VHS release and from what I've read they look better then any previous LD release.

Four?  You know DVD's don't wear out, right? ;-)

C3PX said:

Wow, that would be pretty sweet. The song could start off with singing, [opera voice]"Ouch! My limbs! You stupid son of a bitch, you cut off my limbs! I thought you were my brother, but I think you slept with my wife and now you cut off my limbs! Help! Now I am on fire! I hate you so much![/opera voice] Actually, it would be a duet with Obi-Wan singing things like, "I loved you! Why? Why? Why? Oh my brother Anakin why! You were the choosen one! You were my brother! You were my best friend! I loved you! Why!"

Anyone who doesn't see how this could be pure gold, and put Star Wars back on the map as something unique and beautiful is completely void of any artistic taste whatsoever! I say we start a new petition to have ROTS remade for Broadway.

I love you guys.  So much.

adywan said:

yeh it would mean scrapping the whole exterior scenes which i don't want to do.  there's also another issue when you see the corridor view that is outside the door that Lando & Chewie enters

as you can see there is another apartment entrance  next to leias and the window she is looking out of would actually be looking into the next door apartment. What a mess. i hate continuity issues...lol

Man, I almost simulposted that too!  So they walk up a few stairs into the hallway, walk along towards the camera, turn to their right, walk down some stairs past Han's corridor, go down a corridor and turn left, past the elevator window, go down some more stairs and meet up with Vader.  There are a lot of stairs.  And Han's corridor has stairs going down into it (meaning that since Lando walked down stairs before he walked past it, there should have been more stairs on his side, or no stairs on Han's).

There is a lot of building around the apartment, not at all like a tower as the mattes show.

EDIT: And what kind of apartment only has one open room?  Maybe its more like a lobby?  And I don't want to point out that Han and Lando switched sides sometime while they were walking.

NOTHING MAKES SENSE ANYMORE!!!!

And I simulposted with Ady with pretty much the same content.  Awesome.

EDIT: Looking closely at the items in the room instead of just guessing like an idiot, Ady is right, of course.  Still needs some kind of tweaking to explain the corridor from nowhere, and Han does seem to be looking where I have my arrow even though the items don't match in the alcove.  And the lighting change could be attributed to the rotation of the city, or time passing.  I still don't think there's a shot where the window is supposed to be.

Upon further reflection, there are two sliding doors and one open corridor.  Here's the nearest I can figure out, judging by the location of Han and Leia sitting:

There are numerous problems: The lighting is different in every shot.  Chewie come out a sliding door which should open into thin air, while Lando comes down a DIFFERENT coridor that wasn't there previously in any shot.

Maybe add Lando's corridor to the previous shots, or have a sliding door open as Lando approaches?

EDIT: Looking closely at the items in the room instead of just guessing like an idiot, Ady is right, of course.  Still needs some kind of tweaking to explain the corridor from nowhere, and Han does seem to be looking where I have my arrow even though the items don't match in the alcove.  And the lighting change could be attributed to the rotation of the city, or time passing.  I still don't think there's a shot where the window is supposed to be.

Gracious, this is confusing.  The plants show that this is supposed to be the same door, but the lighting is as if its against the back wall now, with Chewie entering camera left.  I'm going to try to map this all out...

Watch the Building Empire segment with this scene and try to figure it out!

doubleofive said:

And I hate to question you Ady, but are you sure that's where the window is:

I mean, the lighting must be all kinds of messed up since the shadows are on the back wall at the beginning, and now on the front or side?

EDIT: It looks like the corridor appeared along the back wall.  If you look at the shadows across the wall decor, they match perfectly with the establishing shot.  Maybe just insert that corridor in the first shot?

I overlayed the later shot over the establishing and confirmed:

So, I guess the easiest way to fix the exterior/interior lattice problem is delete the structure on top of the exterior shot so the top is just flat, as one of the mockups showed.

And I hate to question you Ady, but are you sure that's where the window is:

I mean, the lighting must be all kinds of messed up since the shadows are on the back wall at the beginning, and now on the front or side?

EDIT: It looks like the corridor appeared along the back wall.  If you look at the shadows across the wall decor, they match perfectly with the establishing shot.  Maybe just insert that corridor in the first shot?

A comparison, thanks to that ridiculous screenshot archive:

And the official GOUT/DVD comparison:

Looking at the screencaps, the duel is over by the time the shield is down.  Unless you put big ships behind Vader and the Emperor during the most climatic moment in the saga, we can't have the ships get much closer than they are currently.  Too bad.

Really, the more I look at the shot where you can see the battle, the more it makes sense to leave it the way it is.

At this point, the Rebel fighters are just starting to be attacked by the TIEs, and the SDs aren't doing anything.  Even the angle might be right.  I'm not 100% sure as I'm not that good with the 3 dimension thinking required, but I think it does work the way it is.

Impressive, someone might have actually thought all this through when they made it! ;-)

vaderios said:

Btw i have a question. In the matter how close should be the space battle as we see it from the Emperor's throne room windows, some state that the battle should be close but not so close because of the deathstar shield.The question well is how we see the tie fighters taking a fly by in the establishing shot of the Tower and not hitting the shield?

 

-Angel

I think it should be a bit closer (not them flying past the windows, obviously), until the shields drop and the ships get bigger and bigger as they head closer to bombard the surface.

adywan said:

You have almost got it word for word with what i will be doing with that scene. The only thing really different is this line:

-2004: We have a new enemy, (camera front view of Emperor) the young rebel who destroyed the Death Star. (camera front view of Vader from the shoulders up) I have no doubt this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker. (camera front view of Emperor)

I will be changing this line to just "young Skywalker". I would have preferred it to be "Luke Skywalker" but no where in the saga does the Emperor say "Luke"

Found it from back in Febuary.  In order to change "We have a new enemy, the young rebel that destroyed the Death Star. I have no doubt this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker" (gracious is Ian wordy!) to "We have a new enemy: Luke Skywalker", Ady takes the "young" from rebel, and combines it with Skywalker from "Anakin Skywalker", almost completely undoing the terrible choice of Anakin not recognizing that he could have kids at all even though he's been calling him "Skywalker" all movie.

DarthRayne said:

Why would he prefer using Luke's name?

The goal is to modify the 2004 Ian McDiarmond to say exactly what the 1980 Clive Revill did.  The only element missing is an appropriate "Luke" for the "we have a new enemy" part.

I misread the first post that the movie was only going to be 12 minutes long, as it would be only the parts his parents were paying attention to, if you take my meaning.  Born in 1978, TheBoost?

;-)

I had to explain it when I showed a friend some comparison shots from the board.  I didn't even think about it.

Sluggo said:

Bingowings said:

Dangerous Incorporated said:

DarkFather said:

Darth Vader really owes Ady a beer for fixing his wobbly helmet.

Vader drinks Sithweiser's!

 

This may have been answered but is Bobba voice staying the same as it originally did or is it staying the same as the 04 version?

I thought he would drink a pint of John Sith's.

 

 

 He has been known to down a Guinness from time to time.

Sluggo wins.  Game over.

Bingowings said:

Another suggestion that seems to have slipped off the wish list is the AT-AT in the ground battle idea, I'd love to see some Ewok traps for that monster.

Forest Moon of Endor:

    16. Add AT-AT to ground battle.

It's still there! ;-)

ben_danger said:

what do you think about adding statues or sculptued mural perhaps? like the ones from his office, to just link the two locations a bit more.

I like that idea.

Ripplin said:

doubleofive said:

Ripplin said:

Bingowings said:

doubleofive said:

Didn't phrase it right.  Will fix it.

F.A.B.

Nice one, Mr. Tracy. :)

I kinda like that suggestion of having the Emperor laugh as he falls to his death. He's such a loony, it seems appropriate. The idea of Piett turning is neat, too. Definitely a radical change, but probably no more radical than some of the things Ady has planned for the PT.

I have no idea what you guys are talking about.  :-P

"And you never shall! Ha ha haaaaa..."

My Googlefu did bring up Thunderbirds, but I still don't understand...  But its not important, way off topic.

Anything else on the Wishlist I forgot or need to rephrase?

Jedi Dark Knight said:

I was checking the uploaded bits found in the first page, and maybe this has been mentioned before but it appears the wampa scene has been deleted altogether. Now I don't care much about the furball but the important revelation of Luke "relaxing into the force" to force-pull the lightsaber to show how intuitively he is learning to use the Force is lost, and also more important than anything is the "Luke, you must go to the Dagobah system"....without this order you never know why would Luke go separate ways than the rest of the alliance...it creates a plot-hole

That particular clip was a selection of changed shots, not a full segment.  No worries.  He's just cutting the Special Edition Wampa parts.

Ripplin said:

Bingowings said:

doubleofive said:

Didn't phrase it right.  Will fix it.

F.A.B.

Nice one, Mr. Tracy. :)

I kinda like that suggestion of having the Emperor laugh as he falls to his death. He's such a loony, it seems appropriate. The idea of Piett turning is neat, too. Definitely a radical change, but probably no more radical than some of the things Ady has planned for the PT.

I have no idea what you guys are talking about.  :-P I will however add the Emperor laugh to the list.

Didn't phrase it right.  Will fix it.

I added Monroville's suggestions to the master list.  We're getting a lot of good ideas, but nothing excites me more than the possiblity of the Redemption of Piett.  Something about every Imperial not being 100% evil, especially the one in charge of the biggest ship ever.