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Bingowings said:

But as I said you don't need that approach to get around Luke getting out in time, you just have him leave earlier.

Does no one like my idea of not showing him leave at all?  Have Leia's revelation that she feels that Luke is alive be both a reveal of her untrained Force ability and a revelation to the audience that Luke made it off.  So we'd see Luke mourning his father and next time burning the remains, not: mourning his father, flying a shuttle out of an exploding hanger bay at the last second, burning the remains.

Or if you really wanted, instead of the Falcon flying in front of the DS explosion, have it be Luke's shuttle.

I either need to figure out how to do some editing with the programs I have, or ask someone else to mock it up for me...

What about my ideas about killing Lando?  You still thinking about it?

It's supposed to be full of nutrients.  Like a walking stick AND a snack!

Akwat Kbrana said:

The PT leaves us with basically three options:

1. Obi-Wan is lying about much that happened in the prequel-era. Some of this is understandable (Obi-Wan has a natural disinclination to tell Luke, "Your father was a whiny, bratty, creepy, immature sociopath who somehow managed to bungle up everything that the previous thousand generations had built and accomplished, and all of the evil and suffering in the universe is his fault." Or, "Your father would've wanted you to have this when you were old enough, provided he hadn't turned to the dark side, murdered children, choked your mother, and forced me to dismember him and leave him to burn to death in a pool of lava."), but some of Obi's other "lies" just don't make sense. The way he refers to Yoda as "the Jedi master who instrcuted me" seems incongruous with the depiction of Obi-Wan's training in the PT, but why would he lie about it? Seems pretty irrational to me. Likewise, as has been pointed out, Obi-Wan in the PT was anything but reckless...why would he lie about it, to Yoda of all people, the one person who really would know one way or another?

2. Obi-Wan is remembering everything wrong. Senility has set in, and in order to cope with the troubles of the past, Obi-Wan has invented a fantasy history in which Anakin really was a good (though ultimately misguided) guy, he really did smilingly ask Obi-Wan to give Luke his lightsaber, Qui-Gon never existed (perhaps a defense mechanism to deal with the pain of losing his one father figure), and what stray memories of Anakin's recklessness have gotten through Obi's senility, he has reinterpreted to be his own recklnessness before reaching maturity. I admit this is a stretch, but I much prefer it to the "liar Obi-Wan" interpretation given above. Of course, the biggest problem with this is that Obi seems to misremember the past even as a Force Ghost. Do the effects of psychological trauma and repressed memory really continue to afflict a person after becoming "one with the force"? I'm inclined to say no, though I suppose it's not impossible.

3. The PT is an elaborate forgery, and Obi-Wan is right (save, of course, for the little white lie about Vader killing Anakin). Some meddling wannabe historian pieced together a hodge-podge representation of the history of the Clone Wars, and ended up getting a lot of details wrong. The PT should be disregarded when it clashes with the account of a credible eye-witness: Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Of course, I find option '3' the easiest to swallow, but it won't fly with TFNers. I don't really see any other way out, though. I'm perfectly happy to just write off the PT as poorly-written revisionist historical-fiction and consider "canon" only that which doesn't conflict with the OT...

I like all of you ideas, but 2 made me LOL.  Great thinking!

EyeShotFirst said:

Im starting to not mind the lando dying thing as long as it isn't a sad death. is their a way to make it like lando's shots werent good enough to blow up the death star so is forced to charge into it.

I don't believe so with the footage given.  Besides, as Ady pointed out, it would be taken as a rip-off of Independence Day at this point, even if he came up with the idea first.

You know, I thought about that when I first watched the 2004 DVDs (once again, Ady is doing something I figured the DVD would have the guts to do).  It was really exciting because I didn't know if Lando was going to make it.

It would be utterly hilarious if he did that.  That also goes back to my "Choose The Random Ending" option, which I'm still voting for.

I posted this on the SAVE LANDO!!!! thread, but I wanted to make sure it got here too:

OK, check it out.  Re-edit the Conference Room.  Ackbar already never says that the fighters attempt to leave after attempting to knock out the main reactor.  "General Calrissian has volunteered to lead the attack".  Have Lando look not so cocky (or leave it, he's awesome).  Cut straight to Ackbar handing off the briefing to General Madine, cutting out Han's "Good luck.  You're gonna need it."

I'm not sure how to re-edit the "I want you to take her" scene in the hanger bay.  I'd want to keep the "funny feeling", but if he just sent Lando on an obvious suicide mission, he would know he'd never see either of them again.

Having it be a suicide mission makes sense when Lando sends the rest of the fighters to the surface.  Wedge is the problem here.  It's pretty much unanimus to keep him alive.  So how about this:

Insert Wedge's "I'm already on my way out" instead of "Copy, Gold Leader" when Lando sends them to the surface.  Have Wedge's ship leave last so we can keep the shot of him exiting the DS and flying towards the fleet shortly before Lando makes it into the main area (A).  Matte out Wedge's ship for the rest of the sequence, as Lando silently heads towards his doom (B).  From there cut to the Falcon firing (C) and the shot of the thing Lando shoots (D).  Either end with E or F, depending on if you want to keep the shot of the power thing falling.

Death Star explodes.  Lando sacrifices himself.

As for Luke piloting out the shuttle as the hanger explodes behind him?  Screw it.  Leave some doubt that he's alive so Leia's line about knowing he's alive is a revelation, and not her telling the audience what it already knows.  It would also show that Han knows that Lando is dead because it exploded, so now he's concerned about Luke.

So it goes from Vader (sorry, Anakin) dies, Wedge flies out, Ackbar tells the fleet to move away from the Death Star, Lando sacrifices himself, Han worried about Luke.

OK, check it out.  Re-edit the Conference Room.  Ackbar already never says that the fighters attempt to leave after attempting to knock out the main reactor.  "General Calrissian has volunteered to lead the attack".  Have Lando look not so cocky (or leave it, he's awesome).  Cut straight to Ackbar handing off the briefing to General Madine, cutting out Han's "Good luck.  You're gonna need it."

I'm not sure how to re-edit the "I want you to take her" scene in the hanger bay.  I'd want to keep the "funny feeling", but if he just sent Lando on an obvious suicide mission, he would know he'd never see either of them again.

Having it be a suicide mission makes sense when Lando sends the rest of the fighters to the surface.  Wedge is the problem here.  It's pretty much unanimus to keep him alive.  So how about this:

Insert Wedge's "I'm already on my way out" instead of "Copy, Gold Leader" when Lando sends them to the surface.  Have Wedge's ship leave last so we can keep the shot of him exiting the DS and flying towards the fleet shortly before Lando makes it into the main area (A).  Matte out Wedge's ship for the rest of the sequence, as Lando silently heads towards his doom (B).  From there cut to the Falcon firing (C) and the shot of the thing Lando shoots (D).  Either end with E or F, depending on if you want to keep the shot of the power thing falling.

Death Star explodes.  Lando sacrifices himself.

As for Luke piloting out the shuttle as the hanger explodes behind him?  Screw it.  Leave some doubt that he's alive so Leia's line about knowing he's alive is a revelation, and not her telling the audience what it already knows.  It would also show that Han knows that Lando is dead because it exploded, so now he's concerned about Luke.

So it goes from Vader (sorry, Anakin) dies, Wedge flies out, Lando sacrifices himself, Han worried about Luke.

Here's my shot:

Darth Mojo may have something to say about that.

I like it, but it pretty much has to be this pose:

I'll try it myself.

Ah, I should have done that.  Give me a minute LOL

EDIT: The difference isn't noticable enough between all the previews to justify it.

EDIT2: Aw, heck with it, I already did all the work!

vaderios said:

YES! GO FOR IT! IMPRESSIVE

-Angel

You can get the sound effects from the Radio Drama when he builds the saber.

Your shot looks brighter than mine...  Is Wookie Groomer's SplitScreen/1080p darker than the DVD?

AxiaEuxine said:

Okay so this is my coolest Axia Edition post yet, in my opinion. What if Vader opened up Luke's Saber to check out just how he had made his saber?

Not recomended while the saber is on but Vader is a bad-ass.

No, Axia, you're bad-ass.  Awesome.

Sluggo said:

I would like to donate a cover to this project, but I am having a hard time getting the time to finish it.  Is there any one who would like to take a crack at it.  I'll send you the WIP I have so far.

I'd at least like to tinker with it...

I know that the DVD for "Clue" can load up one of the three endings randomly, so it can be done...

Indy would have noticed the broken floor before Ben fell.

I'm not sure if you have to be on Facebook to see it, but I've been hosting a Lost Discussion with my friends on there.

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=154426465022&id=

Feel free to jump it if you want!

Adywan said that it will be release in 2010.  No Christmas release, which is fine by me.  I'd rather have it perfected then have to go through the whole "XVID is different from the DVD5 is different from the DVD9 is different from the PURIST" again.

And a staute of Billy Dee Williams in any form is solid awesome.

Sorry, I'm really excited about Wookie Groomer's Split Screen I got, so I have to show some comparisons.

So much better than any color correction.  Speaking of color correction:

Ady is truly never finished tweaking.  Every preview has a slightly different color, each one looking great on its own, but not as good as the more recent ones.

I love the achievement Axia!'

And TMBTM, I think that maybe Ady can tweak everyone's facial expressions using his "cantina" technique to give them more solemness.

adywan said:

I always had an idea almost straight after seeing ROTJ in 1983 that Lando should have died. i had even planned it and wrote it down and i still have the outline i wrote. it took away the rehash of ANH feeling i had away from it. One thing i couldn't understand is why the hell would the emperor not protect the main core from torpedoes after what happened to the original DS? That just didn't make sense and still doesn't. My original outline was what if they reached the core and the torpedoes had no impact at all on the shielding. what do they do? the only ship large enough to do any sort of damage was the falcon. i had planned to have lando ram the core as he screams "yeeehaa" and it is wedges X-wing that you see just escaping the death star just before it explodes. But bloody independence day went and did it. i still love that idea but can i still do it now that film came out? i don't know. i may have to find an alternative ending somehow. now after the SE came out and the PT there was an extra part i wanted to see after the DS explodes which ties in all the celebrations around the galaxy. that, i am keeping secret for now.

I love it, I was still in the womb and Ady was planning a fan edit.  I love the idea of Lando's "yeeehaaa" being a "yeeehaaa" of sacrifice.  You have to keep the "yeeehaa"!

I love saying it.  "YEEEHAAA!!!!"

I checked out your site a couple weeks ago.  Awesome stuff!  Have you ever located your DS surface pieces on screen? LOL

DarkFather said:

He has a funny feeling like he's never going to see her again.

And... if we take away the ropes holding Han's feet to the sand cruiser over the Sarlaac Pit... it could also act as a hint to Han being attuned to the Force.

Hmm. I still say Han dies, though. I'll try to pick a moment in the film when this can be done later. Expect greatness.

LOL

Don't sell yourself short there. ;-)