Why would they do trailers on 16mm? I thought theaters wouldn't use that film. Heck, I'm not sure why (most of) ANH is on 16mm, just that you did a project with it!
Still, if it doesn't go higher $30 is worth it, I would think. Its like a mystery box!
Bingowings said:You clearly haven't understood the illustration (even though it is fully explained in the text) this is a diagonal wipe describing a transition of time (perhaps a clockwipe would make it more obvious).
We see the Republic era ships replaced by ships from the same era as ANH (time has passed).
Now we can see the Death Star being built but it's not being built right after the end of the Clone Wars but about half a decade before ANH after the Empire is fully established and their starfleet has been upgraded to what we see in the OT.
Bingowings said:Perhaps the motion of a TIE-fighter could cover the wipe (nothing says OT to me more than a TIE) :
I like the idea, I like it a lot. What will be the last shot of the movie in that case? The construction of the DS maybe? Oh my gosh, I can't remember what the ending is currently! It's been completely removed from my brain? I remember all the things that happen, but the order is completely gone! Good for me, I guess, huh?
brash_stryker said:Post edited. Had missed Ady's post stating that those 2 things would be the only things changed. Sorry.
Playing catch up and getting really excited about something isn't anything to apologize for. You should have been with me as I was catching up on the whole thread, wanting to bring YEARS old conflicts back out. ;-)
Ady might revisit Revisited, but only to tweak the droid needle and restore the spinning starfield. That's it.
More suggestions should go on the "After Ady" thread, I suppose.
Keys to the release candidate were available up until last week. They're good till March, when the system starts shutting down every two hours. A friend of mine built me a new (to me) machine and since he really didn't have any licenses just threw W7 on it. I like it, little learning curve, but I haven't used it too much just yet.
vaderios said:doubleofive said:Maybe it could be pitch dark and the light is coming from it being reflected off of the Planet Endor?
Id like to see that. Images explain better than my poor English can understand :)
We should imagine the Planet Endor as our moon, and the Sanctuary Moon as Earth. If the Planet is only seen over the dark surface of the Moon, you could use the sun reflecting off of the Planet to light scenes when the Moon is dark. Add glimpses of the Planet Endor in the sky when its dark on the surface and we'd be set!
EDIT: I threw together an idea of what I mean. You'll have to forgive the crudity of this model, I haven't put any software on this new machine of mine:
Made in Windows 7 Paint. :-) Not to scale.
Anyway, PE revolves around the sun and the SM's orbit always puts it in the way of the sun, so every night the night is lit by the light reflecting off of PE. The DS2 is in a geostationary orbit above the shield generator which revolves around from day to night as normal. If we make PE far enough away from SM, there wouldn't be a huge SM shadow on the surface, and if you make PE a neutral color it would explain the moonlight in the Ewok Village! Therefore, if the Death Star was on the opposite side of the Sanctuary Moon from the sun, it could be lit from light reflecting off of the Planet Endor.
WHEW!
vaderios said:What if:
1.Instead of the executor and all the fleet suddenly arrives from nowhere having them jumping out from hyperspace.
We'd have to change the Emperor's line about moving the "fleet to the far side of the Sanctuary Moon. There it will stay.... until called for."
2. The rebel fleet is near sullust. Can we see the system/planet on the ship concentration?
I don't see why not. But they are massing NEAR Sullust, not AT Sullust, so it's not necessary.
3. The death star have a more impressive/extented explosion aka what Darth Venal posted as Alderaan's destruction?
It would be awesome if it fell apart in huge chunks instead of popping.
4.
Very yes.
Ripplin said:doubleofive said: how freaking big is some of that welding to be seen from this distance from something that big?If it was out in the open (unobstructed view), I think you could even see the light from a regular little ol' Earth welding torch at that distance because it's so insanely retina-burning bright.
I'd like to see a GIF of that with little lights blinking here and there. Maybe some little dots buzzing around to indicate small robots or ships doing work, too.
Yes, but also think about how MASSIVE DS2 is and how small the Executor is when it crashes into it. Each of those welds is probably bigger than the Super Star Destroyer!
vaderios said:doubleofive said:I'm thinking the moon should be completely dark at this point.
Almost because if its black we lose the sense of space and perspective. Or we can add Endor behind the moon to add depth.
I added some Fleet and vader's ship (where did it go?)
-Angel
These are getting better by the post. We need details, like how much of this is CGI, how much is painted, how did you figure what the half-complete Death Star would look from whatever angle, how freaking big is some of that welding to be seen from this distance from something that big?
Maybe it could be pitch dark and the light is coming from it being reflected off of the Planet Endor?
Here's a screenshot from WookieGroomers GOUT vs DVD:
No original shot, and the red lighting on that Stormtrooper wouldn't be there if that was an actor being blue screened. There very well may have been a physical hanger model, but everything else in this shot is 100% CGI.
Any chance of getting a scan of the picture out of the book? Be nice to have around as a OT.com "Fail" picture.
vaderios said:When Han says: there are lot of command ships, we supposed to see the 2 more SDs? If no id like to add some more SDs with some tie traffic to enhance the scene. if yes then better remove the line.
-Angel
This is the scene after Vader is told to move the fleet to the far side of the moon, so there should be a lot of traffic. Also, wouldn't Han and Co notice the huge fleet moving around to the other side of the moon? Too bad they can't send a transmission back to Sullust! "Uh, guys, there's a huge fleet just standing around, might want to do something about that. It's a trap." ;-)
Bingowings said:doubleofive has been compiling a list of re-edit ideas.
It might make sense to find the ones that may need a mockup to get the idea across and post a link to a mockup after it, turning it into a partially illustrated list that anyone could use (not just Ady who will no doubt pick a few and add them to the ideas he already has but not use them all).
Yeah, that's something I'm usually behind on, mostly because I'm not sure what qualifies a whole new idea and not a branch off of something we already mentioned, or is something so off the wall that no one is going to seriously use it. Somebody is running a DeviantArt with Angel's mockups, so there's a good place for that. I'd love to put the mockups in my list, but I've already been through every post on this thread too many times already. ;-)
vaderios said:Celebrating the 320+ mock-ups I ve done since i registered to OT.com.
-Angel
Awesome! Love the signature.
vaderios said:doubleofive said:(If Fishman can post his "mockups", then I can certainly repost the only video one I've ever done!)
Can you make a list of his mockups please? :)
-Angel
I was debating on adding the quotation marks, thanks for clarifying the need to do so. ;-)
EyeShotFirst said:doubleofive said:EyeShotFirst said:Ady isn't killing Lando. He said so himself.
Ah, but this is the Wishlist for any/all RotJ edits (and ESB, but most people tend to put their ESB ideas on Ady's thread). Killing Lando is still an option for some edits. Its a viable option for those who want to get away from the "outrunning an explosion" problem.
I don't know why everyone is making such a fuss about the damn explosion. Hell you can't have an explosion like that in space anyway so let's just keep it the fictional world that it is.
Personally I don't have a problem with it, I'm just throwing out ideas.
EyeShotFirst said:Ady isn't killing Lando. He said so himself.
Ah, but this is the Wishlist for any/all RotJ edits (and ESB, but most people tend to put their ESB ideas on Ady's thread). Killing Lando is still an option for some edits. Its a viable option for those who want to get away from the "outrunning an explosion" problem.
Maybe we shouldn't think of it as ONE massive explosion, but a chain reaction of explosions. Certainly the Falcon could outrun a chain reaction. With some creative editing, I think one could convey the idea of things being overloaded and exploding instead of one huge explosion working its way outward. Maybe have the DS break apart instead of just pop (the last one popped, maybe since this one isn't fully built it could just break apart?). Just a thought.
Unless you just kill off Lando. Then you don't have to do anything. (If Fishman can post his mockups, then I can certainly repost the only video one I've ever done!)
Octorox said:"5.51 In Star Wars: Episode IV--A New Hope, the take-off of the Millenium Falcon was filmed as a model against a blue screen and matted into a shot of a building with imperial stormtroopers firing upward."- Film Art 8th edition
The shot they show is a cg shot from the SE doh....The section is about matte work btw
Wow. I mean, instead of basing the caption on fact, they made things up that are OBVIOUSLY wrong. Sad for that book.
fishmanlee said:oh_riginal said:It's been tough to find things that bother me about ESB, knowing the majority of them are being fixed. I've made many suggestions in this thread (some rejected, some supported), and after all this time, my idea well is running more and more dry!
But... here is one thing I've been meaning to mention for a while, and just kept forgetting to do for some reason... toward the end of the asteroid chase, just before Han finds the asteroid cave, he says "there, that looks pretty good." While he says this line, he points out the cockpit with his finger, implying he VISUALLY spotted it with nothing but the eyes he was born with...
... yet in the next shot, while Leia is asking "what looks pretty good?", the view outside of the cockpit is very clearly NOT showing a cave yet! As they continue flying, only then does the cave appear. How could Han have known there was a cave there? For all he knew, it could have just been another valley!
A fix could be just replacing the footage outside the front of the cockpit to show what Han is talking about, maybe making the cave appear a lot sooner, or making the valley bigger so that they are already flying into it when Leia says the line. Otherwise, it is just illogical to see how Han spotted a cave that he couldn't possibly have seen yet, as he kept the Falcon flying low the entire time.
"What looks pretty good?" Indeed.
um he was saying it about the "ASTEROID" it self
Why would he randomly point out the asteroid they've been flying over for a minute or so already (they lose the TIEs in a canyon on the same asteroid where he points out the cave no one can see yet)?
One of the most anticlimactic endings to a dramatic scene ("Will Vader let them through?!" "Yes, fly into the green/blue blur!") has the opportunity to become one of the most visually stunning shots in the saga.
Of course, now Endor needs to be dark in all of the previous shots:
This is the shot just before the shot of the Emperor's tower and the scene where Vader is told to wait aboard the command ship and take the fleet to the far side of the moon. I'm thinking the moon should be completely dark at this point.
Then the rest of the approach shots, where it could be getting lighter, but the sun doesn't crest until they head down towards the planet.
Ending with this shot:
vaderios said:As i promised. New death star with several organic works on its wip section.(still consdering the idea of ships flying around it. Or TIES to show more the scale of this metal beast)
Bingo's idea to look like eclipse in front of the sun and greater scale so its not a ball that stands there.
-Angel
Please tell me this shot is in HD. I've said it before, I'll say it again: between Angel and Venal, we can do anything.
Darth Venal said:
Can anyone possibly send me a hi-res screen cap (or scan) of the Emperor's shaft from Jedi? Thanks.
EDIT:
Sorry, that sounded positively sordid. Can anyone send me a hi-res screen cap or scan of the shaft the Emperor goes down in Jedi? Thanks.
The resolution for a majority of the screenshots on Wookieepedia look like they're HD. Here's the shuttle:
You should be able to Right Click and View Picture to see the full size.
Bingowings said:This is a bit closer :
Love it. But the lighting is still coming from the same area. We need a completely Dark Side of the Moon (sorry, "space station") matte, then this would be perfect!
vaderios said:doubleofive said:
However, something might have to be done to this matte to help it fit this new approach:
Its me or the shuttle element is the same with the one that is in the forest shot?
dont bother to ask about the death star :) I ll try to find a better angle of it and the correct lighting.
-Angel
Ask and it shall be given me. Your name is truly justified. ;-)
If only I had these in HD, they might replace Ady's "Sun Behind Cloud City" I've had as my background since the trailer came out...
Don't let my comment come across as I don't like your work, Venal. I love the matte, its a huge improvement! The only way it could be better is if we got the 501st to pose for a picture.
And Angel, beautiful Endor mattes. I especially like the sunrise arrival picture. However, something might have to be done to this matte to help it fit this new approach:
It's not clear where they are headed, what direction that day/night terminator is headed, or why they have to have the DS lower the shield in the first place.
Seriously, I just remembered how much that's always bothered me. Why do they have to lower the shield to land and spend at least a day approaching the shield generator? Does the shield spread out around the ground so that you can't dive bomb the generator or do exactly what the Rebels try to do? What do the Ewoks think that are trapped on the other side of the shield?
