doubleofive

Darth Solo said:

DuTwan said:

hey guys, just wondering if anyone has taken a look at this site, it has people submitting the ROTJ movie mistakes. Maybe we could have a look at all these all see whats true wots false and see what we can do, maybe 005 u could add these to the list too.

http://www.moviemistakes.com/film1067

I thought 005 ran that site site in the first place :-p

If I ran it they wouldn't be so vague or say things like "there clothes are on backwards lol" :-P

DF Shadow said:

In terms of dialogue removal........I'd love to see Han's cut a bit in the briefing room.

 

At one point he shouts out "Good luck!"

then....

"You're gonna need it!"......the line delivery on "you're gonna need it" always sounded incredibly corn-ball as hell to me. More importantly, I feel like his lame outburst undercuts the life & death seriousness of the moment. But if it were cut I don't know that leaving the "good luck" still in there would seem odd?

 

There's so much of THAT type of off dialogue in ROTJ unfortunately.

 

Is it possible for someone to cut the line and throw up a quick vid to see how it plays? It'd be appreciated.

I would like to see the video also.  Maybe a whole cut to be a bit more serious.  I was hoping specifically to make it seem like its a suicide mission that Lando takes knowing he's going to die.  But that's just me. ;-)

DuTwan said:

hey guys, just wondering if anyone has taken a look at this site, it has people submitting the ROTJ movie mistakes. Maybe we could have a look at all these all see whats true wots false and see what we can do, maybe 005 u could add these to the list too.

http://www.moviemistakes.com/film1067

I just go by the assumption that that is the first place to look.  "Fixing mistakes" is kind of an obvious wish list entry.  I just add the more rare ones (not flipped shots) or ones corrected by our elite team of mock-up artists.

Angel, that shield generator shot is incredible.  I think if shots like that aren't used in Revisited or other edits, you should at least let them be used as DVD menu screens.

I recreated the image from my childhood:

But what happened to the color on your Special Edition?

You could release it, shrunk down and blurry.

Davnes, you did the Special Edition correctly, deleting the original classic version that I grew up with for the last few minutes so that no one else will understand how I feel about it, flaws and all.

Ric Olie said:

doubleofive said:

...we could go through a whole list of characters who sometimes literally show up to wave at the audience then disappear.

Hmmm, maybe I shouldn't complain about my limited number of lines after all.

My biggest disappointment with the prequels is that they stopped putting you in it.  Ric Olie is the definition of Fan Favorite.  How did we ever get through the rest of the movies without you?

Davnes007 said:

Bingowings said:

Ric if it was doing your job there would be arrows pointing to "Trees" , "Road", "Building".

lol

...

Roc Olie?  Ric, is that your brother there?

Darth Venal said:

Cahoots? That's a shocking accusation. What's next, collusion? Conspiracy?!

Anyone got a thesaurus?

I should have used one.  Didn't want to just go with "cahoots", as I'm not sure Angel's Greek/English dictionary would have it! ;-)

Darth Venal said:

Ganamae, that's exactly what me and Angel have been discussing. When I do a new matte for it (next job I think) I will indeed be lifting it off the sand.

So you two are in cahoots, partnering up, planning stuff.  Awesome.

shanerjedi said:

Yeah, I'm for losing him.

I like how all six films have some of their own characters. This line of thought also makes me tilt towards losing Boba for ROTJ but that's for another thread.

This also makes me think of other unnecessary fan service characters: Jabba in TPM. Jabba in ANH:SE. Boba in ANH:SE, etc.

Boba in AotC, Chewie in RotS, we could go through a whole list of characters who sometimes literally show up to wave at the audience then disappear.

I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to knock mattes, I just wasn't fully aware of their proliferation in films ancient and modern, let alone the number in RotJ.  I never noticed most of them, which I guess is a good sign, eh?  We just need to work on improving the current mattes (Vaderios) or creating all new mattes (Venal) to eliminate some of the lines, static elements, or perspective errors.

I'd love to see more comparisons between what was shot and what was matte.  I'm sure they'll be in the eventual "Making of Return of the Jedi: The Definitive Story", since the one for "Star Wars" had a few, tiny as most of them were.

vaderios said:

Yes!The whole bottom of the boats is matte too.

 

-Angel

OK, I've come to the conclusion that there are way too many mattes in this film.  Either that or I've just never noticed them in other films.

vaderios said:

Replaced Lando matte figure, enhance the landscape added luke's missing saber.

-Angel

Lando matte?  Never noticed.  How did you do the new one, and can it be done in motion?

I think the sky would be more unlimited if Ady could get all the original elements to eliminate the transparency present everywhere.

TMBTM said:

This And the fact that the fans asking for Boba Fett to return ended with... well, Boba Fett kinda return, only shows one thing: Lucas did not have a "grand plan".

He wanted to please himself in TPM without thinking about the fans which I think was a couragous move even if I don't like much the result. But then why try to please the fans by removing Jar Jar and adding Fett? If "the plan" was for Jar Jar to be a better character in EP 2, I think it would have been better than watching Lucas trying to "fix" the story to please everyone, resulting a mess of a movie.

Going back to Qui-Gon not disappearing and Lucas saying he'd explain it in Episode II.  Then all of a sudden, its 5 minutes before the last movie ends:

"George, remember how you said that you'd explain why Qui-Gon didn't disappear and Obi-Wan and Yoda do?"
"How dare you mention what happened in 'those movies' in my presence!  But I suppose I should try...  How about this.  Yoda tells Obi-Wan that Qui-Gon figured out how to keep his individuality and be a ghost.  There, done."
"But sir, how does that explain anything?  Qui-Gon didn't disappear, that's the point.  If Obi-Wan and Yoda had to disappear to become ghosts, why didn't Qui-Gon?  And if Qui-Gon taught Obi-Wan and Yoda to do it after he was dead, how does Anakin show up as a ghost at the end of Return of the Jedi?"
"WHAT DID I JUST TELL YOU ABOUT MENTIONING THOSE MOVIES!  That's it, fine, you know what?  I'm going to replace Anakin in the third movie with Hayden, what do you think of that?!"
"How does that help-- what are you doing?"
"Choking you with the Force!"
"You know what, I quit."
"I'm going to make Chewie and Yoda best friends, what do you think of that quitter?!"

Not quite on topic, but it came to me just now.

Darth Venal said:

 

Doubleofive, why not try doing some stuff yourself? It's really not so hard once you get to grips with the software you're using. Well, if you're artistically inclined, of course. Do you do anything creative?

I need some software with which to get to grips, but I do have a general degree in media communications.  I just don't have the opportunity to use it much.  I do some light logo design, and did design the logo for the company I work at, which is cool to point at and say "I did that."  Wish they would update the website so I could just point you there.

Ric Olie said:

doubleofive said:

I just want to point at my TV and say, "I've had a conversation online with the guy who did that."

You can do that every time you watch TPM.

Only if you'll point back and say the same thing.

Darth Venal said:

Can't believe you remembered the Harry Potter thing. I need to be careful what I reveal around here, it seems ;-).

I just want to point at my TV and say, "I've had a conversation online with the guy who did that."  I guess I'm weird like that and want to live vicariously through you. ;-)

So you could let Adywan or whoever use your "Not Endor" mattes as Endor with your permission and that would be OK?

I remember you mentioning something about working on a Harry Potter movie, I mean, would we know your work, or are you trying to keep your identity a secret?

Bringing back the rearranging of the ending sequence of RotS.  This is from the "'Explanations' of Vader" thread on SW General:

Bingowings said:

Tarkin was a Wayne Pygram in a halloween mask : 

Wow, that's not the best makeup job, and why on earth is he so old 20 years before ANH?!  Here's a picture of Peter Cushing in 1957's The Curse of Frankenstein.

He looks great!  Certainly not ancient like RotS Tarkin.  Maybe it didn't take 20 years to build the new Death Star, maybe the movie should have ended with the construction just like has been suggested!  Perhaps that is what was meant all along?

xhonzi said:

Gaffer Tape said:

But then the prequels came along and gave both Yoda and Palpatine lightsabers, so... yeah.... 

 Some of you are aware of my continued quest to shield my kids from the Prequels.  So it probably doesn't surprise you that we have a Galactic Heroes Yoda floating around the house that has had its lightsabre dremel'd off.

But I agree with you Gaff, (it's so great having a female Star Wars fan that shares my innermost thoughts on the subject (PM sent!)) I was shocked and dismayed to see Yoda and the Emperor with lightsabres.  It seems that they were certainly above or beyond this in the OT.  I thought it was kind of amusing that the Force Unleashed took it upon itself to show Palpatine losing his sabre before you fight him.  They seemed to want an OT style fight between you and the Emperor, but they felt they had to explain why he wasn't using a lightsabre.

LOL, Gaffer needs a new avatar.  Unless he likes this attention.  You should check out his video reviews.

We shouldn't have to "rationalize the idea", it should have been explained or kept consistant!  Darn you, Lucas, why couldn't you make Qui-Gon disappear?!

Oh noes, doublepost!

Darth Venal said:

I use deviantart, but I'm not putting my artwork anywhere at full res, not a chance. I don't mind sending to people privately sometimes when I know them a while, but I can't publish anything for free, whether it's inspired by other material or totally original.

So legally (or contractually), no one could use your mattes unless you were getting paid?  Man, that sucks.  Guess it comes with the "job in the industry" territory.

I confirmed that the settings are the way they are supposed to be got one random message.

Just thought to check my spam filter, which I have hidden on my gmail.  Hello my friends!  How I've missed you!  Odd that they started going to spam, odder still that some would get to my inbox.  Sorry about that.  If someone is using Gmail and having this problem, check out the spams.

EDIT: everything is coming in great now.  Some IT guy I am, huh?