Some great work on this doubleofive, thank you.
It has been most useful to have a trusted source of information rather than sifting through the more lazy or incomplete / clickbait articles out there.
Thank YOU!
So much clickbait. I hate it because it’s always going to crowd me out.
I’ve been meaning to ask this: are the Falcon cockpit shots in ESB still cropped?
Yep.
Absolutely. Of course it’s slightly different because it’s a new scan, but it was important enough that they had to crop every one of them again.
All I want is a BTS article on the remaking of the Special Edition. Just some explanation of why and how the 04-11-19 changes happened.
Still no reasons from George, Lucasfilm, ILM, or Disney yet?
I suppose the ‘it was always meant to be this way’ or ‘this is the real finished version - not that one which has stood for 20 years’ only works so many times? 😉
There have been no official explanations of any changes since the old “What Has Changed” articles in 2006.
Hell, they made #maclunkey show a Greedo emoji, but no one has explained what it even means.
I forgot to share the site! Oops
You can also get there from http://starwarsviscomp.doubleofive.com, because of course.
The 19SE outside of Disney+ has burned in subtitles.
https://twitter.com/atgreaterthings/status/1195037780218281984?s=21
It was a series of texts, which I only saw because my blind dog had jumped off the bed and got stuck underneath it, but I appreciated the dramatic take.
According to a member on the Blu-ray forums, the new 4KSE is now making its way to Vudu, albeit in 1080p.
Does anyone own A New Hope On Vudu? I went back to look at my copy to compare to Disney + and behold, they changed the Vudu version to match Disney +.
Holy shit, confirmed. Disney’s Movies Anywhere is still 2015, but Vudu is 2019. Trying iTunes.
The colors are actually pretty close to 4K77. As for the scan, I’m not sure the SE can look better.
Right, TPM 3D was 2012, not 2009 like I somehow imagine it.
Is… is this a sign they actually went back to the 97 negative and redid all of the subsequent changes?
That’s exactly what Reliance did, yes. Their restoration started with a new scan of the 1997 negative, and then all the 2011 changes (plus a few more) were applied to it.
I’m becoming convinced through my own brand of research. All of the 04 mistakes are gone. Some weird changes made in 04 are missing (Alderaan slides into position on the DS screen again).
So it’s 2009/10, they were working on the 3D version, presumably in 4K, perhaps hoping to downscale it for the Blu-ray. Maybe recreating all of the 04 effects in 4K was taking longer than expected, so they took the 3D release changes and applied them to the 1080p/2004 master and released it in 2011, finishing the recreated 04 changes in 2012.
This doesn’t explain why they bothered to mess with Greedo for the Blu-ray. Perhaps it’s an earlier draft?
Do we know when Reliance did their scan?
It’s not just the sky that has been changed. The dunes were altered for the SE and they have reverted those back to the '77 version
I noticed this last night too. I didn’t realize it was the original sand though. The sky/sand replacement was 2004.
Is… is this a sign they actually went back to the 97 negative and redid all of the subsequent changes?
I have so much work to do.
JEDIT: this would also explain why it doesn’t have the mistakes introduced in 04 (Ben’s purple lightsaber, the glow added without the core, Ghost Luke).
This is just me scrubbing through. Without a copy I can frame step or screenshot, it won’t be everything. But there’s definitely changes / improvements, even though Greedo is somehow worse.
I noticed that one shot of Obi-Wan’s saber in A New Hope was fixed so that it doesn’t look like a stick anymore.
Is that the shot at the end of the first part of the dual with Vader?? If so that was first corrected in 2004.
No, they’re right, they put a core on the blade in 4K, in 04 they just put the glow layer.
I’ll depend on one of you to judge the color changes. I… I guess I’ll watch them all the way through to make sure there’s not anything else.
Gang, I have bad news.
https://twitter.com/starwarsviscomp/status/1194160489825284097?s=21
Something to consider though, it’s not an altogether unlikely an explanation that the people writing these books are as much a fan as we are, and specifically sought out the Legacy clip to use for the book. You could even say that this is the Occam’s razor explanation - the shot from Legacy is arguably the highest quality clean still of that shot out there, which is why it might have been used.
Important to note as well, the writers do not technically work for LFL, they work for Haynes publishing.
The Authors said:
Because Lucasfilm considers the revised version “canon,” I didn’t know whether they’d allow Haynes to use the earlier still frames, but I’m glad that they did, simply because the original version more clearly illustrates the X-wing’s S-foils in operation.
I suppose it is possible that Haynes got permission to use images they just happened to have found. Hell, maybe the authors themselves found it. However, there is a slight color change in the Death Star, which I was taking to mean that the rough Legacy preview on Vimeo had been further tweaked.
If they’re taking screenshots from Vimeo previews for their books, how is that a sign of anything deeper or more troubling? Deeper or more troubling than what? It’s a tie-in book that probably won’t really sell a whole lot to anyone who isn’t already a superfan. What signs are you seeing in the decision by an editor or graphic designer to use a frame from a Vimeo screencap that are so troubling?
If Lucasfilm continues to have to go to fan restorations they found on YouTube over actually restoring the film, then there’s something wrong there. Film history is being ignored because fans posted clips somewhere? What if they accidentally use Revisited or any of the other fan edits that are right next to it online? Why would they know to reference Legacy if they didn’t have Legacy on hand?
I’m the “irresponsible” one in the Twitter thread. I don’t see how LFL could have even accidentally scanned the exact print in the exact way with the exact damage with the exact cleanup. Even if they have their own better scan, THIS book is using Legacy. I didn’t say it was an official project. They are using it as a resource if nothing else.
And if they’re taking screenshots from a Vimeo preview for their books, they’re a hell of a lot worse off than we ever imagined.
https://twitter.com/starwarsviscomp/status/1192850953747206145?s=21
I have no doubt that LFL is using Legacy.
https://www.starwars.com/news/rebel-starfighters-owners-workshop-manual
These theatrical frames are much closer to Legacy’s than any other source, just slightly different coloring.
I’m 90% sure he’s joking
It does look pretty great.
But so does the original…
I suspect this is probably well known, but something I just read today that the escape pod shot used several times in Spaceballs is actually unused footage shot for Star Wars.
I know there was a bit of talk about the escape pod shot earlier in the thread so thought perhaps this might be worth sharing.
I’ve never heard this before and I’m not sure I believe it. The escape pod shot in ANH is well-known as being the first shot completed, and nothing about the Spaceballs design resembles anything else in Star Wars.
I thought the first completed shot was a Death Star turret firing? Your point stands regardless, of course.
Google says the escape pod was the first shot Lucas actually approved, the rest weren’t good enough. Close enough.
I suspect this is probably well known, but something I just read today that the escape pod shot used several times in Spaceballs is actually unused footage shot for Star Wars.
I know there was a bit of talk about the escape pod shot earlier in the thread so thought perhaps this might be worth sharing.
I’ve never heard this before and I’m not sure I believe it. The escape pod shot in ANH is well-known as being the first shot completed, and nothing about the Spaceballs design resembles anything else in Star Wars.
When the shield generator explodes, a piece of shrapnel flies towards the left side of the screen and then bounces back off from the inside of the wall it was housed in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN3kISlsSCQ&t=0m09s
LOL, it looks like it bounces off the edge of the film frame.
