doubleofive

It bends your mind sometimes, Frink.

xhonzi said:

We have a discussion group at work.  I've been harping the DHARMA/Widmore conncetion for years.  Season 5 seemed to be the proof they all needed to finally tell me I was wrong.  I relented for a week, but then I went back to it.  How else would DHARMA have found the island?

Here's the rest of my theory: The Island has some kind of purpose to prevent the end of the world or something.  The others, lead by Jacob, are there to protect the island so that it can play its part.  However, Widmore began to think that the island wouldn't play this part on its own, so he co-founded or brought DHARMA to the island so that they could figure out how to control the island to MAKE it play its part.  MIB and anyone associated with him would want to prevent it... but the others/DHARMA (Ben/Widmore) are on the same side, they just can't agree on how to go about it.

I agree that everyone is actually on the same side, except Ben seems to be leaning towards the MIB/Esau side now that he betrayed Jacob.

I am on facebook from time to time, but I can't get to it from work.  *blush*  So, sorry.

That's fine.  You may want to read the comments on my status where I link to the blog, as I've got like 35 comments with interesting theories.

Also, it's 2003, right?  The crash was in Sep 2003.  It was Dec 2003 when Keamey and the freighter showed up, and Jan 2004 when the Oceanic Six were resuced?  And then the non6 went back 30 years to 1974 and then lived there for three years until 1977.  The six also lived 3 years off island before returning in 2007?

Crash was September 2004, O6 rescued in December 2004, lived for 3 years until 2007 when they come back except for those thrown back to 1974, where they live for 3 more years until 1977 where they are now thrown back to 2007 (three years older than the people they left in 2007!)

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline

Juliet was already dead, while Sayid was alive (barely).  Can't baptize dead people! ;-)

Paul would disagree with you: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(King_James)/1_Corinthians#15:29

:)

Baptism for the dead (ie, if Jesus died and was never resurrected and people being baptized in his name) is different from baptism of the dead.  Can't say I didn't learn anything from Bible College, eh?

Interesting how erasing the Island from existence since 1977 would change THAT much of random peoples' lives.  Desmond I can understand, but why wouldn't Christian's body be on the plane, who had no contact with the Island previously?  Same with Locke's knives.  How did Hurley win the same lottery if he didn't know The Numbers?  Chance?  Fate? 

If it's "fate" or "Jacob" that brings them to the island (it can't just be cause and effect... there's too much interleaving of their lives for that) then fate will course correct and bring them to the island in some other way. 

Soo... I think I asked this before but I'm going to clarify it this way... is Lost2007 the future of Alt2003?  Could it be that Alt2003 ends up with them coming back to the island under different circumstances?  Probably not- especially given the underwater state of the island in Alt2003.  But then what is Lost2007?   It's not the future of Jack&CoInhabited1977, is it ?  I thought Alt2003 was the future of that 1977, and I've already convinced myself that it's not the future of Alt2003.  Well, it has to be the future of that 1977 to some degree because of the picture that Christian showed Sun.  But would they really still build the Swan Station if the effect of the bomb was as destructive as intended?  Is the whole that Juliet was in the result of the 1977 incident, or Desmond's 2003 implosion of the hatch?

My guess is that everything up to Faraday deciding that time actually can be changed is the history of both Lost2007 and Alt2003.  Everything after that decision is only the history of Alt2003, and the explosion at the Swan kicked the losties back to their original, unmodied 2007 and at the same time created the Alt2003 universe.

Lost2007 would be unmodified, as Sun and Lepidus have never traveled in time after leaving and coming back.  The explosion must have reset the time skippers back to Lost2007 (as they inhabit the same Island that Lepidus made a landing on) while at the same time creating Alt2004.

xhonzi said:

Jack’s dad’s body never got on the plane?  What about the empty casket they found in Season 1?  Where did Jacob get Christian’s body to play with?

Several things are different besides the lack of crash.  In the real timeline, Christian's body was on the plane and it did crash on the island.  In the new one, it got lost with Locke's knives, Hurley is the luckiest guy in the world, Desmond made it to Australia in his sail boat, waited around for 2 or 3 years, and is now flying home on Oceanic.  Shanon didn't leave with Boon, etc...

Interesting how erasing the Island from existence since 1977 would change THAT much of random peoples' lives.  Desmond I can understand, but why wouldn't Christian's body be on the plane, who had no contact with the Island previously?  Same with Locke's knives.  How did Hurley win the same lottery if he didn't know The Numbers?  Chance?  Fate?

Jacob seemed pretty fine for being dead.  Maybe this happens a lot?

 Well, it's happened to Charlie, Eko, Christian, Locke, Ben's Mom, etc...

I meant maybe Jacob dies a lot.  I wrote that before The Others in The Temple freaked out when they heard he was dead several hours after it happened.

Guitar case held an ankh, with a note inside it that says if Sayid dies then “we’re all in a lot of trouble.”  Sayid, really?  What happened to Walt being so important or any of the other people who have supernatural powers or freaking Desmond?  Maybe all of the O6 has to stay alive for some reason?

I agree with your last thought.  I think it was "Jacob's list" (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Lists) and the Japanese guy knows that everyone on the list needs to be there "at the end" or else "they are all screwed."  So it's not so much that the paper says Sayid has to be alive, but that all of them do.

Interesting point.  But why are so many people on this list (besides the fact that they're main characters)?  And how does Sayid dying not freak them out if "we're all in trouble"?

Sayid is back from the dead!  ZombieSayid!

I would say "JesusSayid" is more likely.  Didn't you see the way they pulled him out of the water after his baptism?

ZombieSayid comes from my past recaps, where I called what we thought was resurrected Locke ZombieLocke.  He will henceforth be known as JesusSayid!

MY OWN QUESTIONS:

So the island is underwater in Alt2003??? I guess that makes it less likely that they will be able to return to it (by going forward) without some trouble...

I imagined if they did do the "they never crashed" line, that they would have remembered everything about the Island and want to go back.  However, the characters have been rebooted, so they won't know anything about the Island and if they heard anything about it it would be an Island that disappeared after nuclear testing.

Can they please just give the MIB a name so we don't have to keep using guesses based on Jacob's name?

They came close a few times last night, but it was mostly "YOU" and "HIM".  I called him AntiJacob in my recap of the finale, but a friend of mine pointed out the Jacob/Esau connection which I really liked.

Can Jacob likewise turn into a smoke monster?  If not, what are his mutant powers?  He obviously has some, but we need to know more about them to draw conclusions about what supernatural events have been driven by Jacob, and which by MIB.

Jacob also turning into a SM would explain why The Others were protected by it at times.  But two SMs would be a little much.  It made more sense when we thought it was just a security system.

Christian?  Servant of Jacob?  Is his body in Alt2003 on the island- under the sea?

Spongebob Squarepants?  But seriously, how would it have gotten there if it didn't fall out of the plane while Jack was flying over it?

Why didn't they take Juliet into the temple for healing?  How did she know, "It worked?"  Was she simultaneously talking to Saywer in both Alt2003 and Lost2007?

Juliet was already dead, while Sayid was alive (barely).  Can't baptize dead people! ;-)

Her talking to Alt2004 Sawyer and Lost2007 Sawyer makes sense.  Somehow being in both timelines, she would have known it worked.

And will my undying belief that Widmore brought DHARMA to the island be vindicated this year?  Or silenced forever?

Why would you think he didn't?  Widmore left the Island, found it, brought Dharma, then lost it again after the Purge and turning the wheel, then found it again (but he couldn't come back himself), then lost it again after the wheel was turned again, then it blew up in an alternate timeline where NO ONE can have it. ;-)

Do you have facebook, a lot of this discussion would be easier with all of my other friends:

www.facebook.com/drew.stewart

Here are my thoughts/questions on the premiere.

http://doubleofive.wordpress.com/2010/02/03/lost-thoughts-lax/

Its alright now, but its not the same magic that season 1 had, when EVERYTHING was a mystery.  My friends and I have examined everything so closely that except for the flashes, nothing really came as a surprise.

I'm still going to finish it out, just to see what happens.  Unlike Heroes, which rebooted every season so that there was no overarcing plot anymore, and multiple contradictory answers to the most basic questions (they got their powers during the eclipse, no the eclipse takes away their powers, no there have been mutants for GENERATIONS).  Lost still has some basic mysteries left over from the Pilot.  I'm sure the writer's explanations have changed, but giving it an end date was the best thing the show could have done.

ThiefCobbler4ever said:

LOL! :D

 

Anyway, to answer your question TV's Frink, I grew up watching the SE Star Wars Trilogy back in 2002 (I was 11 or 12 at the time) and didn't realise about the theatrical versions. But now I enjoy looking at the SE as well as the theatrical versions. And the added SE elements you mentioned were kinda fine to me and should've stayed in Revisited. The Jabba scene was my favorite.

Wow, I never thought I'd feel old, but what a difference a few years makes!

Warbler said:

doubleofive said:

Not on topic completely, but Gaff will understand:

http://doubleofive.wordpress.com/2010/01/29/aspect-ratios-a-primer/

The rant I mentioned a post ago has become a reality!

I totally agree with everything you said in your rant.    I remember one time a local tv station was show some three stooges shorts.   As you know, they are all 4:3.    They stretched the image on their HD channel.  But it gets even worse.   We still have some standard TVs in the house.   I turned on the standard version of that station.  Guess what they did? They showed the image they were showing their HD channel but the sides cut off!  That's right,  they took a 4:3 image,  stretched it to 16:9 proportions, and cut the sides off to make it 4:3 again.  That, is the definition of insanity. 

Warb, you mind posting your story on my blog, or can I do it with your permission?

I too have though the name was backwards when I really thought about it, but VINH's explanation also is sensible.

xhonzi said:

I remembered one more: Richard Alpert.  I suppose there's more to come on this guy, but again- I felt the mystery of the guy was really... mysterious.  Not only did he not age, but he seemed to be omniscient and omnipotent as well!  He knew John Locke would come to the island 30 years before it happened!  He made Juliette's ex get hit by a bus!

Turns out he was acting on information from a time traveling John Locke.  Yeah, it makes sense and it gives us the very cool pocket watch loop... but it's kind of a lame handling of Alpert.  He's just not as cool as he used to be.  Throughout most of season 5, he seemed like he was kind of stupid.

Hopefully he gets some back in season 6.

Ah, but you're forgetting that this Locke ISN'T LOCKE AT ALL!  So, Alpert fell for Jacob's Enemy's plan to get Locke to come to the Island and claim leadership of the Others, then leave and get the O6 to come back, then take over his identity to further lead not only the Losties, but the Others astray to kill Jacob and ruin whatever plans he had.

A lot to take in on the last few seconds of a season finale.

TV's Frink said:

Chewtobacca said:

I actually wouldn't mind having a copy of the zoomed version of Star Wars, as I know many people who hate the black bars and would appreciate a zoomed version. 

:-(

Correct AR FTW.

I have to say its better than full-screen stretched to fit 16:9.

Bingowings said:

It might be worth (once Ady's inevitable ROTJ:R thread is full swing and it's pretty clear what he definitely isn't doing) to go through threads like the ANH after Ady, Starkiller Ranch and this one and pick out all the possible changes not covered by Ady or DE and work our way through them as mini projects so the final result is a OT fan-edit identi-kit of sorts.

The process could be duplicated when Ady and hopefully a few more editors have really got under the bonnet of the PT.

Working on mini projects like that could be a great step into getting more people to do ambitious projects DE's and Ady's.

My current sig isn't a snipe at DE at all but more of a rallying cry to not let these fine ideas go to waste.

I've wondered about that sig because you are one of the biggest parts of this thread, and I never read DE's quote as a challenge.

RotJR's thread is going to be a different horse.  Ady and I are going to coordinate so I have second post and I will keep the list of changes Ady is going to try to make right there, based on the Wishlist/ANHR Changes format.  I will continue to strike-through and italic things on the Wishlist that Ady is/isn't doing, leaving the Wishlist as an "unfulfilled" list to do what you suggest!

EDIT: Maybe we could have people read through the Wishlist to make sure that it hasn't already been suggested to Ady before they post something...

vaderios said:

doubleofive said:

SIXTEEN new mockups by Angel in the last few days.  Nice.

Hooray

What i won? :D :D :D

 

-Angel

You win me yelling at people who complain they don't get enough mockups out of you!

Wishlist is being updated/reformatted as this is posted.

vaderios said:

Edit:005 will you update the list with the latest mockups? :)

I'll get to it!  Lots of stuff, how to sort....

SIXTEEN new mockups by Angel in the last few days.  Nice.

Its not like it needs to be tied into RSS, at least at first.  It could be a personal account YOU (Jay) use to let us know whats up!

I became "friends" with a few posters here on Facebook, but never the other way around.

Wow, I've never heard of anything like that, but I have noticed that Fox's SD channel consistently is 4:3, but the programing is obviously cut off on the sides due to the fact that the "FOX in High Definition" watermark that runs on both the SD and HD goes off the edge of the screen on the SD station!

Like I said, all of my HD locals have the right ratios, even The CW!

EDIT: I'm going to start a new thread on this, and stop taking over Gaff's!

EDIT2: I've never had good luck with my own threads, so nevermind!

Not on topic completely, but Gaff will understand:

http://doubleofive.wordpress.com/2010/01/29/aspect-ratios-a-primer/

The rant I mentioned a post ago has become a reality!

You catch on pretty quick!

But seriously, maybe we should call them air brakes?

Ric Olie said:

fishmanlee said:

ric olie is the pilot of the star destroyer that captures leia's blockade runner and the avenger in ESB and the executor in ROTJ and escaped to live on to a ripe old age- he was handsome to the end though.

All wrong except the last bit.  Why would I join the Empire?

Because the Empire's power and corruption was obvious to you!

Gaffer brings another wonderful review to light!  Very well made, like how you used the full 16:9 screen you were given on the YouTube.  I think its funny that you recorded your laptop and little TV/VCR combo side by side, but it worked great for what you were showing!

That reminds me that I need to make a blog post on my biggest pet peeve, improper aspect ratios!

We went from condolences to actually talking about and contributing to ESBR (thanks to snowspeeder additions), but I have no idea what's going on anymore.  Honestly, I've just been skimming the recent posts.

Chewtobacca said:

Finally, I was surprised to find that I actually enjoyed his vocal treatment as well.  Having heard just a bit of it previously, I didn't know if I could take it for 70 minutes.  But for whatever reason, his voice grew on me the more I watched the review.

I experienced the same thing.  The voice makes the review funnier and gives it an almost train-of-thought feel, which I find quite enjoyable.  I'll try to take in more of his reviews, when I have the chance. 

His Trek reviews are great, putting clips of the TNG TV characters next to their contrasting TNG movie characters (ie, the same characters acting completely different).  They made me dislike the TNG movies more, which I view as the Prequel Trilogy of the Treks (though I do like the actual "prequel" Trek, but that's neither here nor there).

Now we've just gone too far!  We're CGI-ing poor baby chickens!

I listen to the Car Talk podcast and Wil Wheaton's Radio Free Burrito while I'm cleaning house or mowing the lawn.  That's about it.

TV's Frink said:

Since this is now the "explain your nick" thread, mine is a combo of TV's Frank from Mystery Science Theater 3000 and Professor Frink from The Simpsons.

And I've been looking for an opportunity to tell you how awesome your screen name is:

Your screen name is awesome.

Mine is from a group my friends made in high school, back when everyone was obsessed with GoldenEye 64.  We all picked numbers, I got 005.  When I wanted to change my lame first.last@juno.com email address (to give you an idea of how long ago this was), it hit me to spell it out.  I've used it for everything ever since.

TV's Frink said:

Finally saw Avatar last night and I really enjoyed it.  It was the first 3D movie I've seen and I was surprised how subtle the effect was once I got used to it (in a good way - i liked that there were very few surprise "jumping out of the screen" moments).  The CG seemed very well done, although I'll be interested to see how it holds up in 2D.  The story and some of the dialogue was simple or silly in places, as expected.  But as both a movie and an experience, it worked for me.

It was my first 3D movie too and I appreciated that most of the 3D was bringing depth to the screen, not poking things out of it (like the 3D of the 80's was).  There were a few instances where things appeared in front of the screen, but most of the time the screen was a window that you could see into.

And no, I never would have expected that Avatar would outpace Titanic to the top.  I mean, sure 3D screenings are more expensive, but the real surprise is that 75% of the tickets were for the 3D version.  That's a big percentage!  I wouldn't mind more movies being in 3D, as long as they don't go overboard and just bring some depth to the image.