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Darth Editous said:

 

doubleofive said:

Here I thought whoever edits RotJ and wanted to fix the saber glow would have to do background replacement for every shot.  Now you say you can do it with filters, but you won't tell us HOW?!  This is a discovery of epic proportions!  You must share it, for the good of the Republic!

Yes, how did you remove those GREEN sabres? Those very, very GREEN sabres, which aren't RED or BLUE? ;)

David

 

I figured something to do with chromakeys, but I've not messed with that in the all-powerful CS3.

vaderios said:

Ok im Happy now...

I found one new techique to erase the damn glows and revealing the under detail only with PS filters/ways.

This way leave the footage ready to color correction :D

Here some quick examples of what can this do..

*awesome*

This works removing glows from holos and electricity ;)

It was tested...on captain solo

 

-Angel

Here I thought whoever edits RotJ and wanted to fix the saber glow would have to do background replacement for every shot.  Now you say you can do it with filters, but you won't tell us HOW?!  This is a discovery of epic proportions!  You must share it, for the good of the Republic!

What you want is impossible.  The closest you could get is just using the center channel of the 5.1 sound, but even then they deliberately put some music in there to prevent exactly what you want to do.  I'm sorry, but having just the dialog is one of our greatest dreams, but unless we get access to the original recordings, an impossible one.

Darth Solo said:

Cum again? Side-project? Do tell..

A series of Revisited teaser posters I mentioned to him a few months ago.  Nothing major.

zombie84 said:

That all depends on the assumption that the P&S is NOT a blow-up from the widescreen, which probably isn't the case. In the 80s and 90s the 4x3 transfers were minted straight from a print because this was 99% of the market, but in the DVD era where 4x3 is not liked I think they are more often than not just blow ups from a widescreen master. Even on Fox's "what is widescreen?" feature on the Die Hard 5-star DVD from 2001 they show the fullscreen process as derived from the widescreen master and thus losing resolution.

I've not seen that feature, or knew that they would seriously make the P&S versions from the widescreen scans they already made.  Are the Star Wars 2004 DVDs done like that (not like we don't have the 1080p files floating around to use as sources)?

My rant on Aspect Ratios, with GOUT on the bottom.

"Release the originals!" with the old style logos (no episode numbers).

Angel, as usual, your art is incredible.  Have you had an opportunity to do anything for our little side project?

mrbenja0618 said:

Yeah, I had no clue either.... I guess it happens so fast... I demand that you put Sebastian Shaw in there! =)

Yeah, theres mechanical parts all over the place when he's getting zapped.  Some of it actually matches stuff in RotS if I remember correctly.  I saw a breakdown once...

Since these are supposed to be recreations of the 1997 SE, Naboo will 100% be gone from the celebrations.

xhonzi said:

As a finished product, I agree that fullscreen is terrible.  I was mostly commenting that you get higher resolution image on that part what is still there... assuming that it's pan & scanned from a high resolution source and not the companion widescreen version.  In case that isn't clear, if the pan and scan version comes from the film negative or a 2k or 4k scan of the negative, then you get some higher quality images than the widescreen version.  Not that you'd want to watch it that way, but if you wanted to *ahem* borrow the images for DVD covers, or fan edits, or something like that... they are higher quality than the widescreen of the same since they are made of more pixels.

Furthermore:

There are 345,600 pixels in a 4x3 480p image.  If ~50% of those pixels are black bars and another %25 of those pixels are the sides that are cut off during pan and scanning... then the equivalent pan and scan image is 1/4 of the total resolution: 86,400.  Compared to the resolution of the same box in the P&S version: 345,600.  There are 921,600 pixels in a 16x9 720p image.  The same movie would be about 33% black bar in this movie.  And then the same square would be about half of the remaining image.  Or 304,128 pixels.  So, the resoltion of the P&S square (likely the most important part of the image) is actually higher in the SD P&S image than it is in the HD Widescreen image (at 720p). Of course, the best is the 1080p image.

Again, I'm not advocating watching movies in P&S, but for creative types looking to borrow the images, the value of a P&S release should not be overlooked.  Based on the assumption that the P&S pixel data come from a higher def source than the wideside version itself.

I've always figured that, but never run all the numbers.  P&S is good for maybe taking elements out of for object replacement/sharpening in widescreen video or posters, but only if they pulled from the print to make the P&S, unless the image is in motion across the widescreen image which leaves behind that weird effect I can see all the time now.

Heck, I noticed the pan in an episode of The Clone Wars this morning, its its all digital!

vaderios said:

No more reflections..

The last pic...oh well

-Angel

LOL thats awesome.  However, I'd love to have just the top two pics for the Wishlist. ;-P

I miss Off Topic topics that don't hopelessly go off topic.

;-)

Spielberg, as I believe he still uses sets in his movies.

Although I do think the comparison is a bit unfair.  I mean, Spielberg has made a lot of movies that don't have visual effects at all or a minimal amount, while all we can compare them to on Lucas' side are the SEs and Prequels.

Its just so much fun to speculate and discuss that I have to watch the episodes one at a time.  Watching the first season straight through was great, but I wouldn't give up these discussions for anything.

xhonzi said:

Regarding the differences between the 815 flight in Lost2004 and Alt2004.  It would be my guess that the differences surrounding Locke's knives and Christian's casket etc are part of fate manipulating events to get them back to the island one way or another.

But the Island is underwater.  It throws a monkey wrench into all of my "we have to go back... again/for the first time!" theories.

xhonzi said:

 

Crash was September 2004, O6 rescued in December 2004, lived for 3 years until 2007 when they come back except for those thrown back to 1974, where they live for 3 more years until 1977 where they are now thrown back to 2007 (three years older than the people they left in 2007!)

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline

You are correct.  So was it three full years for both the 6 and the non6?  Is it still December in 2007?  Can it be 2008 yet?

Oh, i forgot who was traveling when.  Jack was thrown into 1977 after everyone else had been living there for 3 years, making up for the time Jack had been living in the present.  It could be 2008 "now" though.

Baptism for the dead (ie, if Jesus died and was never resurrected and people being baptized in his name) is different from baptism of the dead.  Can't say I didn't learn anything from Bible College, eh?

I was mostly teasing.  I know of nobody that actually baptizes the actual dead body.  But my main point (several posts ago) was that the script decided that Juliet would die and Sayid would live.  At the very beginning of the episode, Sayid appears to be much worse off than Juliet, yet they can't get her to the pool fast enough...

Well, Juliet has her own show on the same network, so she HAD to die! ;-)

Lost2007 would be unmodified, as Sun and Lepidus have never traveled in time after leaving and coming back.  The explosion must have reset the time skippers back to Lost2007 (as they inhabit the same Island that Lepidus made a landing on) while at the same time creating Alt2004.

 It's obviously modified to the point that Sun saw a picture of Jin from 1974.  And what of the Swan?  Is the Swan in Lost2007 simply the result of Desmond's actions?  Or of the incident too?

I'm of the opinion that Jin was always in 1974 in the normal timeline, we just didn't know it.

It bends your mind sometimes, Frink.

xhonzi said:

We have a discussion group at work.  I've been harping the DHARMA/Widmore conncetion for years.  Season 5 seemed to be the proof they all needed to finally tell me I was wrong.  I relented for a week, but then I went back to it.  How else would DHARMA have found the island?

Here's the rest of my theory: The Island has some kind of purpose to prevent the end of the world or something.  The others, lead by Jacob, are there to protect the island so that it can play its part.  However, Widmore began to think that the island wouldn't play this part on its own, so he co-founded or brought DHARMA to the island so that they could figure out how to control the island to MAKE it play its part.  MIB and anyone associated with him would want to prevent it... but the others/DHARMA (Ben/Widmore) are on the same side, they just can't agree on how to go about it.

I agree that everyone is actually on the same side, except Ben seems to be leaning towards the MIB/Esau side now that he betrayed Jacob.

I am on facebook from time to time, but I can't get to it from work.  *blush*  So, sorry.

That's fine.  You may want to read the comments on my status where I link to the blog, as I've got like 35 comments with interesting theories.

Also, it's 2003, right?  The crash was in Sep 2003.  It was Dec 2003 when Keamey and the freighter showed up, and Jan 2004 when the Oceanic Six were resuced?  And then the non6 went back 30 years to 1974 and then lived there for three years until 1977.  The six also lived 3 years off island before returning in 2007?

Crash was September 2004, O6 rescued in December 2004, lived for 3 years until 2007 when they come back except for those thrown back to 1974, where they live for 3 more years until 1977 where they are now thrown back to 2007 (three years older than the people they left in 2007!)

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline

Juliet was already dead, while Sayid was alive (barely).  Can't baptize dead people! ;-)

Paul would disagree with you: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(King_James)/1_Corinthians#15:29

:)

Baptism for the dead (ie, if Jesus died and was never resurrected and people being baptized in his name) is different from baptism of the dead.  Can't say I didn't learn anything from Bible College, eh?

Interesting how erasing the Island from existence since 1977 would change THAT much of random peoples' lives.  Desmond I can understand, but why wouldn't Christian's body be on the plane, who had no contact with the Island previously?  Same with Locke's knives.  How did Hurley win the same lottery if he didn't know The Numbers?  Chance?  Fate? 

If it's "fate" or "Jacob" that brings them to the island (it can't just be cause and effect... there's too much interleaving of their lives for that) then fate will course correct and bring them to the island in some other way. 

Soo... I think I asked this before but I'm going to clarify it this way... is Lost2007 the future of Alt2003?  Could it be that Alt2003 ends up with them coming back to the island under different circumstances?  Probably not- especially given the underwater state of the island in Alt2003.  But then what is Lost2007?   It's not the future of Jack&CoInhabited1977, is it ?  I thought Alt2003 was the future of that 1977, and I've already convinced myself that it's not the future of Alt2003.  Well, it has to be the future of that 1977 to some degree because of the picture that Christian showed Sun.  But would they really still build the Swan Station if the effect of the bomb was as destructive as intended?  Is the whole that Juliet was in the result of the 1977 incident, or Desmond's 2003 implosion of the hatch?

My guess is that everything up to Faraday deciding that time actually can be changed is the history of both Lost2007 and Alt2003.  Everything after that decision is only the history of Alt2003, and the explosion at the Swan kicked the losties back to their original, unmodied 2007 and at the same time created the Alt2003 universe.

Lost2007 would be unmodified, as Sun and Lepidus have never traveled in time after leaving and coming back.  The explosion must have reset the time skippers back to Lost2007 (as they inhabit the same Island that Lepidus made a landing on) while at the same time creating Alt2004.

xhonzi said:

Jack’s dad’s body never got on the plane?  What about the empty casket they found in Season 1?  Where did Jacob get Christian’s body to play with?

Several things are different besides the lack of crash.  In the real timeline, Christian's body was on the plane and it did crash on the island.  In the new one, it got lost with Locke's knives, Hurley is the luckiest guy in the world, Desmond made it to Australia in his sail boat, waited around for 2 or 3 years, and is now flying home on Oceanic.  Shanon didn't leave with Boon, etc...

Interesting how erasing the Island from existence since 1977 would change THAT much of random peoples' lives.  Desmond I can understand, but why wouldn't Christian's body be on the plane, who had no contact with the Island previously?  Same with Locke's knives.  How did Hurley win the same lottery if he didn't know The Numbers?  Chance?  Fate?

Jacob seemed pretty fine for being dead.  Maybe this happens a lot?

 Well, it's happened to Charlie, Eko, Christian, Locke, Ben's Mom, etc...

I meant maybe Jacob dies a lot.  I wrote that before The Others in The Temple freaked out when they heard he was dead several hours after it happened.

Guitar case held an ankh, with a note inside it that says if Sayid dies then “we’re all in a lot of trouble.”  Sayid, really?  What happened to Walt being so important or any of the other people who have supernatural powers or freaking Desmond?  Maybe all of the O6 has to stay alive for some reason?

I agree with your last thought.  I think it was "Jacob's list" (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Lists) and the Japanese guy knows that everyone on the list needs to be there "at the end" or else "they are all screwed."  So it's not so much that the paper says Sayid has to be alive, but that all of them do.

Interesting point.  But why are so many people on this list (besides the fact that they're main characters)?  And how does Sayid dying not freak them out if "we're all in trouble"?

Sayid is back from the dead!  ZombieSayid!

I would say "JesusSayid" is more likely.  Didn't you see the way they pulled him out of the water after his baptism?

ZombieSayid comes from my past recaps, where I called what we thought was resurrected Locke ZombieLocke.  He will henceforth be known as JesusSayid!

MY OWN QUESTIONS:

So the island is underwater in Alt2003??? I guess that makes it less likely that they will be able to return to it (by going forward) without some trouble...

I imagined if they did do the "they never crashed" line, that they would have remembered everything about the Island and want to go back.  However, the characters have been rebooted, so they won't know anything about the Island and if they heard anything about it it would be an Island that disappeared after nuclear testing.

Can they please just give the MIB a name so we don't have to keep using guesses based on Jacob's name?

They came close a few times last night, but it was mostly "YOU" and "HIM".  I called him AntiJacob in my recap of the finale, but a friend of mine pointed out the Jacob/Esau connection which I really liked.

Can Jacob likewise turn into a smoke monster?  If not, what are his mutant powers?  He obviously has some, but we need to know more about them to draw conclusions about what supernatural events have been driven by Jacob, and which by MIB.

Jacob also turning into a SM would explain why The Others were protected by it at times.  But two SMs would be a little much.  It made more sense when we thought it was just a security system.

Christian?  Servant of Jacob?  Is his body in Alt2003 on the island- under the sea?

Spongebob Squarepants?  But seriously, how would it have gotten there if it didn't fall out of the plane while Jack was flying over it?

Why didn't they take Juliet into the temple for healing?  How did she know, "It worked?"  Was she simultaneously talking to Saywer in both Alt2003 and Lost2007?

Juliet was already dead, while Sayid was alive (barely).  Can't baptize dead people! ;-)

Her talking to Alt2004 Sawyer and Lost2007 Sawyer makes sense.  Somehow being in both timelines, she would have known it worked.

And will my undying belief that Widmore brought DHARMA to the island be vindicated this year?  Or silenced forever?

Why would you think he didn't?  Widmore left the Island, found it, brought Dharma, then lost it again after the Purge and turning the wheel, then found it again (but he couldn't come back himself), then lost it again after the wheel was turned again, then it blew up in an alternate timeline where NO ONE can have it. ;-)

Do you have facebook, a lot of this discussion would be easier with all of my other friends:

www.facebook.com/drew.stewart

Here are my thoughts/questions on the premiere.

http://doubleofive.wordpress.com/2010/02/03/lost-thoughts-lax/

Its alright now, but its not the same magic that season 1 had, when EVERYTHING was a mystery.  My friends and I have examined everything so closely that except for the flashes, nothing really came as a surprise.

I'm still going to finish it out, just to see what happens.  Unlike Heroes, which rebooted every season so that there was no overarcing plot anymore, and multiple contradictory answers to the most basic questions (they got their powers during the eclipse, no the eclipse takes away their powers, no there have been mutants for GENERATIONS).  Lost still has some basic mysteries left over from the Pilot.  I'm sure the writer's explanations have changed, but giving it an end date was the best thing the show could have done.

ThiefCobbler4ever said:

LOL! :D

 

Anyway, to answer your question TV's Frink, I grew up watching the SE Star Wars Trilogy back in 2002 (I was 11 or 12 at the time) and didn't realise about the theatrical versions. But now I enjoy looking at the SE as well as the theatrical versions. And the added SE elements you mentioned were kinda fine to me and should've stayed in Revisited. The Jabba scene was my favorite.

Wow, I never thought I'd feel old, but what a difference a few years makes!

Warbler said:

doubleofive said:

Not on topic completely, but Gaff will understand:

http://doubleofive.wordpress.com/2010/01/29/aspect-ratios-a-primer/

The rant I mentioned a post ago has become a reality!

I totally agree with everything you said in your rant.    I remember one time a local tv station was show some three stooges shorts.   As you know, they are all 4:3.    They stretched the image on their HD channel.  But it gets even worse.   We still have some standard TVs in the house.   I turned on the standard version of that station.  Guess what they did? They showed the image they were showing their HD channel but the sides cut off!  That's right,  they took a 4:3 image,  stretched it to 16:9 proportions, and cut the sides off to make it 4:3 again.  That, is the definition of insanity. 

Warb, you mind posting your story on my blog, or can I do it with your permission?

I too have though the name was backwards when I really thought about it, but VINH's explanation also is sensible.

xhonzi said:

I remembered one more: Richard Alpert.  I suppose there's more to come on this guy, but again- I felt the mystery of the guy was really... mysterious.  Not only did he not age, but he seemed to be omniscient and omnipotent as well!  He knew John Locke would come to the island 30 years before it happened!  He made Juliette's ex get hit by a bus!

Turns out he was acting on information from a time traveling John Locke.  Yeah, it makes sense and it gives us the very cool pocket watch loop... but it's kind of a lame handling of Alpert.  He's just not as cool as he used to be.  Throughout most of season 5, he seemed like he was kind of stupid.

Hopefully he gets some back in season 6.

Ah, but you're forgetting that this Locke ISN'T LOCKE AT ALL!  So, Alpert fell for Jacob's Enemy's plan to get Locke to come to the Island and claim leadership of the Others, then leave and get the O6 to come back, then take over his identity to further lead not only the Losties, but the Others astray to kill Jacob and ruin whatever plans he had.

A lot to take in on the last few seconds of a season finale.

TV's Frink said:

Chewtobacca said:

I actually wouldn't mind having a copy of the zoomed version of Star Wars, as I know many people who hate the black bars and would appreciate a zoomed version. 

:-(

Correct AR FTW.

I have to say its better than full-screen stretched to fit 16:9.