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bkev said:

So what is the deal with that? ;-)

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Sorry about that, I don't know what came over me.

TV's Frink said:

I just move every few days or so.  Stay one step ahead of the criminals, that's what I do.

The van your sister saw?  Frink's.

You all should be ASHAMED of yourselves!  Frink has made it VERY CLEAR that NO ONE is to post in this thread for a given period of time.  By posting here and not allowing this thread to go to at least the second page, you are RUINING his necroposting plans.

Shame on you all.

I too think Clone Wars is what the PT should have been.  I've found that after watching an episode, I care more about the characters than I ever did watching the prequels.  Each one (including/especially the clones) makes you feel for them.  However, they can't seem to do anything with Anakin or Padme.  They do seem to stress the good guy side of Anakin, but since it's not going to contradict Episode III, we still have to deal with the abrupt fall for no real reason.  Just goes to show how completely messed up the base is that Lucas created.

Spoiler:

Obi-wan's relationship with Satine was well executed.  It also shows that Obi-wan wasn't judging Anakin for being in love and never having experienced it, as he had the SAME choice but chose the Jedi and never looked back.  Deepens Obi-wan a whole lot, IMO

More models, tons more from Foundation3D:

TMP Enterprise

TOS Enterprise

Original design (could be used for partial refit)

TMP Drydock

TMP Klingon Cruiser

TOS Klingon Cruiser

These are all meshes for Lightwave done by what my research shows to be the two most popular mesh-ers, Dennis Baily and prologic9.

Looking at all of these models has got me really excited, we do have someone with Lightwave, right? ;-)

Ziz said:

That drydock needs a full vertical section added to it.  Here's the original being restored by FX man Ed Miarecki.

On the guy's full website, he shows how the actual model was modified for Generations to hold the B, which this model is apparently based on judging by the differences.

http://www.ncc1701.us/18.html

Amazing stuff all over his site.  There are no words to express my jealousy of this guy, his skills, and his toys.

Angel mentioned 3D models, so I'm going through and finding ones that may be useful in this edit.

TMP Enterprise (not 100% detailed, I'm sure, but could be used in long shots maybe)

TMP Enterprise Hanger & Cargo Bay (could be re-meshed or used as a base to fix possible angle problems)

Spock's Shuttle (not in this edit as far as I know)

Klingon Cruiser (not bad at all)

Regula 1 (could be flipped for new orbital complex shots)

Travel Pod

V'ger Cloud

Drydock

All this and I can't find the air tram that Angel was originally looking for.

UPDATE: I joined scifi-meshes.com and am putting out a call for models we might be able to use.  We do have someone who can do 3D stuff, right? ;-)

Are you going to be there the whole time they're working?  Because electricians rewiring an apartment is the PERFECT cover for ILM goons to steal all of your stuff! ;-)

But seriously, is it like a fire hazard or something?  I've never heard of anything on this scale happening to somewhere while someone is living there.

A shame, I really wanted to show off my complete lack of baseball knowledge!  The "According to Jims" or "Straight Flush Jacks" or the "Pretty Pretty Pedros" will just have to wait for another time!

Moth3r said:

Biff Tannen = funny

Crane Bros. = not funny (sorry VFP and 005)

Ric Olie = borderline

Quite all right, we figured it wouldn't work out anyway.  Too high of a difficulty level for us.  Thanks for your understanding and not being mad at us.  I was really scared making a sock.  Felt dirty... ;-)

I also appreciate that some people did appreciate them.  Thanks guys. :-D

I really didn't expect him to be for the radical style changes, but I was kind of hoping for him to want to fix the few shots he may not have gotten to do 10 years ago.  Oh well, he didn't disapprove and he said he is interested in what we can do!

I still like the TOS prologue, no matter what.  Reminds us of the characters in their element so the beginning is even more of a drastic change for them.  Especially if we can make the right voiceover to go with it.

In fact, I think I would be happy with this edit if it was ONLY matte line removal and digital matte tweaks plus the new intro.  The possibility of the restructuring is just icing on the cake for me.

Since I buy the first DVDs I can find for use here, I burn at the slowest speed it will let me.  Burnt all of Ady's edits, never had a problem.

I'm so sorry you had to see that,  but you can't help but be offended at what HE said!  He's such a jerk!

Daren's reply:

Well, your ideas are interesting… but I’m gonna have to pass. Much as we’d like to believe we still have our “fan” attitude toward the project, the DE was overseen and crafted by Mr. Wise to be his final cut of the movie… and I’d have to respect his wishes on that. It was not a “fan edit”.

While your thoughts are certainly welcome, and I have nothing against people doing mash and mix-ups for their own fun and learning, I have to say that none of your additions actually contribute much more to the story of the film. Sure, it would be fun to see the Enterprise return to earth after her 5 year mission, but that’s not the story of the film. The story is about seeing our familiar characters out of their element in the beginning of the film, and the journey to bring them back to their rightful states and be the characters we’ve known and loved.

And, just to be a nitpicker, I really dislike the treatment of the main titles. Makes it look like First Contact or Generations… not my cup of tea.

So, thanks, but no thanks on this one. But will be interesting to see what you guys come up with.

I try to help, but it is difficult.

I love how we're fan editing a movie that was already fan edited with the director's involvement.

EDIT: I just posted a link to the "Blueprints" on DarenDoc's blog.  I'm freaking out right now.

DarenDoc posted a link to one of his pages on TMP:DE, where he posted some early mockups of changes that he wanted to make that he didn't have time to do.

http://www.betafive.com/PORTFOLIOSITE/TrekTMP.html

Maybe we could use this for more ideas.

So another San Fransisco location is Kirk's apartment.  The problem?  It's on the same side of the bay as Starfleet Command!  I guess he wasn't coming from home at the beginning of TMP, or he moved. ;-)

http://www.filminamerica.com/Movies/StarTrek/02TheWrathOfKhan/

If my locations are correct, it looks like he just happens to be staring out the window at Starfleet Command in this shot, which is perfect since he is considering his own mortality at the time.

Jaitea said:

'I've been waiting for you Young Skywalker, I've booked three tickets to see Tom Jones, is that alright?'

 

J

"It's not unusual."

Rogue Leader said:

Wow... they're really high... =D

All the more for Palps to fall!

"Evil Incarnate Guy", I'm guessing. ;-)

vote_for_palpatine said:

Apparently Widmore wanted more than to simply return to the island. He and his submarine goons will undoubtedly hook up with EIG and Sawyer.

Good point.  We still don't know enough about Widmore to truly gauge him though.

I've been thinking about this flash-sideways stuff since watching "Dr. Linus" this morning, and I have a theory. Maybe the flash-sideways is showing us WHY people are choosing the sides they way they are. Showing us that under different circumstances, people would me making similar choices to what they are doing on the Island.

For example, given different circumstances, Sayid would still be a killer for Nadia's sake.

Ben, given different circumstances would sacrifice his power for Alex (weird when she's just a student at his school [Side note: Rousseau never crashed on the Island, and is still perfectly sane living in LA. Does anyone else want to see how she would have ended up as much as I do?], and not his adopted daughter). Which is a major shift from his choices on the Island, but justifies why he would want to try to do the right thing currently.

Kate, given different circumstances, would still follow Claire around wanting to take care of her and her baby (that one is a stretch, but she's following the evil people around).

Jack, given different circumstances, would still want to be the best leader he can be.

Locke, if he wasn't dead, would have lost faith (does that even count?).

From that point of view, maybe it makes sense? But it doesn't change that these still aren't our characters. The characters we know were shaped by the Island at every turn, these haven't been.

I'd also like to point out that Ben was still shot and saved by the others, and people were told that he wouldn't be the same after that. AltBen went through that experience, while evidence shows that BenPrime very likely DIDN'T (judging by normal time travel / alternate universe theories).

ADDENDUM: About the AltBen/BenPrime thing, I'm just going by the "normal" "time travelers create an alternate timeline" idea, which the writers deny. But we've got TWO timelines, one where the Losties are displaced in time and set off the bomb, which apparently doesn't happen in the Prime timeline because the Island is still there. However, there is still evidence that the Losties were displaced in time in the Prime timeline (ZombieLocke giving Richard the compass to give to RealLocke, the picture shown to Sun with the Losties in DHARMA, people referring to the "Incident", and so on). I'm just thinking out loud here, so the contradictions are intentional. It's very likely that both Bens forgot getting shot and were "changed forever" and "lost their innocence", and maybe that's part of what the AltLine is showing us. Maybe that Ben can overcome his badness without having to learn from his mistakes that he can't take back...

Is the book better than the movie?

Frink is right, as usual.