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BedeHistory731 said:

I find it funny how the compositing error survived the 2004/11 SE and 2012/19 SE, given how much attention was paid to recompositing shots in ROTJ.

There are only a handful of space shots recomposited for any RotJ SE. I’ll spare the whole list, but overall they seem pleased with most of the VFX in RotJ.

I’m good with the idea that the shuttle is coming from the opposite side of the DS2.

Telion said:

doubleofive said:

I can’t believe I didn’t cover the dead end/hanger in my Wired article. In short, they had a hanger in 1976, they had stormtroopers, they could have done this if that was the plan. The same two troopers wearing the wrong helmet copy and pasted a hundred times was just proving that they could to this for the prequels if they wanted to for clones. Cutting the existing troopers out without the help of a bluescreen was a test to see if they needed to depend on bluescreens for the prequels. It’s a bad idea poorly executed only added to test prequel technology, just like most of the other SE changes.

OMG thats sooooo cool, haha it would be so funny to imagine hundreds of clones just coping 2 or three peoples actions over and over. Your link doesn’t work btw

Fixed the link.

I can’t believe I didn’t cover the dead end/hanger in my Wired article. In short, they had a hanger in 1976, they had stormtroopers, they could have done this if that was the plan. The same two troopers wearing the wrong helmet copy and pasted a hundred times was just proving that they could to this for the prequels if they wanted to for clones. Cutting the existing troopers out without the help of a bluescreen was a test to see if they needed to depend on bluescreens for the prequels. It’s a bad idea poorly executed only added to test prequel technology, just like most of the other SE changes.

timdiggerm said:

doubleofive said:

G&G-Fan said:

Is there a visual comparisons for ESB:R? There are so many changes that it’s almost hard to spot them all.

Ady said he was going to do one because he didn’t think anyone but him could do it. So I was leaving it to him!

Maybe we (“the community”) should start on one anyway. Wouldn’t want to slow his progress down on the other films!

Maybe I will, as is my custom.

G&G-Fan said:

Is there a visual comparisons for ESB:R? There are so many changes that it’s almost hard to spot them all.

Ady said he was going to do one because he didn’t think anyone but him could do it. So I was leaving it to him!

I do not understand what is happening here. So you got full film scans (from the Team Negative One forums?), and then you color corrected them, then un-color corrected them, they compressed them to DVD resolution?

Advertising costs money. And the hashtag is #ReleaseTheOriginalTrilogy. It’s in the title of this thread. It’s been in use for years. I sell merch with the text on it.

You’re not inventing anything new or trying something the rest of us haven’t. Literally half of this thread is Jason describing what people should do.

You can use whatever hashtag you want, but don’t harass people with it, and don’t think it’ll make a difference. I had a popular Twitter account and wrote a 20 page article for Wired.com establishing the #ReleaseTheOriginalTrilogy hashtag and very few people but me EVER used it.

Hashtags aren’t the answer. It’s convincing a company to go against the wishes of its founder, which no tweet is going to fix. Most people who work for the company agree with us, but it doesn’t change the fact that ultimately they don’t want to go against Lucas.

I just don’t want you or anyone else to re-invent the wheel and think we’ll end up somewhere different.

I tried for years to get the hashtag trending. Twitter is not the answer, please don’t spend money on your hashtag. We just have to wait and hope.

Please read the first several posts of this thread to find out the strategy.

The point of the thread is to establish a hashtag. It’s in the title.

My feeling after years of study is that Lucas doesn’t want to be reminded of work he wasn’t happy with at the time and only reminds him of what he lost. Every movie he swore it was the last and that he and Marcia could settle down after, but by the time RotJ was done, she was gone.

Doesn’t change the fact that it’s film history and should be preserved, but I get his hesitation now.

It’s not spite, it’s regret.

Even so, I feel that “getting rid of the garbage mattes” in the most recent releases is “brightness balancing properly”, not “recompositing the original elements”. Is that accurate, Harmy?

Harmy said:

Actually, having recently seen a 35mm screening of the 97SE, I can confirm the matte boxes were totally still there and very visible in the theater.

Oh wow. That’s extraordinary!

JadedSkywalker said:

Can you clear something up for me did they remove all the garbage mattes in the 2020 UHD or not, and the matte lines. Because Lucas claimed in the 1997 restoration they did.

They recomposited a handful of shots for 97SE, another handful for 04SE, but mostly the garbage mattes were visible due to early home video being too bright. So mostly they’re just not visible because we’re finally being presented the movies at the right brightness.

I have a whole website! StarWarsVisComp.com

All that work ILM did to prove to Lucas that they could indeed shove random things into shots without planning on the day of shooting, for you to just erase it like it didn’t add to the story and didn’t need to be there! Some nerve! 😉

GMatias said:

From October 2023

adywan said:

A long overdue update…

Things are progressing really well with ANH:RHD. There’s only about 40 shots left to do. It may sound like a lot of shots but it’s not. Most of the film is complete. The remaining shots are mainly the CG work for the Yavin battle with a few shots here and there in other places. It’s looking very likely that it’s going to be a 2024 release now, hopefully mid year. The one thing that could hold things up is shooting the replacement Sandtroopers. I was hoping to get the shots i need filmed this year but we have had such a shite summer it became impossible. So that’s going to have to wait until next year when hopefully we’ll have some sunny days.

[snip]

There’s no way i can do any serious work on the video side of things for ROTJ:R until ANH:RHD is complete and released because ANH has almost filled up all of the new internal drives and most of the external ones i purchased because they are the backups. One 8tb external developed a fault that couldn’t be fixed but luckily i was able to replace that and recover all but one of the files that were on it. So once ANH is done and dusted i can start to empty the internal drives to continue work on ROTJ:R. So, at the moment, i have just enough space to complete ANH:R and render out the master file. Then it’s on to the audio mix.

But i will be starting to build the models etc for ROTJ:R early next year so i’ll keep you updated about those.

So ‘hopefully mid year’ is where we’re getting summer from…

Sure, I suppose. But those of us who have been around for a while know that it’s done when it’s done.

That guy with no name said:

darthsidi said:

Thanks, Man With No Name. That’s wonderful to hear!

no problem man.

When has Adywan promised a release date?

I prefer the current retcon where it just looks like he’s trolling R2. LOL

Jedi122 said:

doubleofive said:

Jedi122 said:

There’s one little background change that was made to TESB when it hit 4K that the Revisited version doesn’t have. On the 2011 Blu-Ray, in the three close-up shots where Luke’s X-Wing is sinking in the water, there’s a black section that’s cast over the top right corner. The 4K version fixed that by replacing the black section with more haze. You can see the differences here: https://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=137645

Is this change even worth applying to TESB:R when you get to working on the Blu-Ray?

To be clear, that’s not so much a “fix” as “the 4K version didn’t ruin the scan of the film in that particular way”.

So, it’s not really worth it?

I’m just saying it’s not a “fix”, it’s a choice of what scan he wants to use.

Jedi122 said:

There’s one little background change that was made to TESB when it hit 4K that the Revisited version doesn’t have. On the 2011 Blu-Ray, in the three close-up shots where Luke’s X-Wing is sinking in the water, there’s a black section that’s cast over the top right corner. The 4K version fixed that by replacing the black section with more haze. You can see the differences here: https://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=137645

Is this change even worth applying to TESB:R when you get to working on the Blu-Ray?

To be clear, that’s not so much a “fix” as “the 4K version didn’t ruin the scan of the film in that particular way”.

The 19SE shot is worse, in my studies. If anything he should redo it from scratch.

Thanks, I’ll take a look at these!

ArcherEdits said:

I’m curious about the amount of grain and colour saturation left - with these kinds of projects, is it usually quite negligible in the final product?

It depends on if they remove the grain and color saturation. Every project is different.