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- Canon & Legends: The Multi-Split Timeline
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screams in the void said:
…it’s schrödinger’s Sifo-Dyas !
This made me laugh more than it should have!
screams in the void said:
…it’s schrödinger’s Sifo-Dyas !
This made me laugh more than it should have!
Hey! I finally looked at this thread! Thanks for your help!
It is a mobile game after all, for iOS and Android. There is a port for switch, but seeing as it is based in smartphones I would be surprised if it wasn’t flooded with microtransactions, even on the switch version 😦
I understand the links are down, but if there is any chance to get ahold of these from another member of the community that would be incredibly helpful 😃
Does anyone have the Puggo Grande ISOs? I know ZigZig posted them a couple of years back but I missed it then 😕
Thank you! I’ve been working on it slowly, trying to be clear in how the timeline could bob and weave around itself. There are a few things I haven’t figured out yet, like how I am going to deal with the era of the Clone Wars. Do I put the TV-Show into DC and everything else into EU? Too many things to figure out.
Introduction
Star Wars has a long history of media all the way from Splinter of the Mind’s Eye to The High Republic. Many incredible stories, such as Legacy of the Force, Truce at Bakura, Lost Stars, and more are sadly locked in two completely disconnected parallel universes. After watching this fan film I began to think about a way to bridge every single piece of content into one split timeline.
If you are familiar with the Legend of Zelda you are familiar with the nonsense that is the Zelda timeline. Example here if you are not. Essentially, three timelines were created off of one game, pivoting on the hero’s success, failure, and time travel escapades.
My goal with this ongoing project is to draw a completely unnecessary timeline of all Star Wars content, past and present, in a multi-split timeline theory. For now I will just be focused on the Adult Novel timelines and then will work on how everything fits into there.
Prologue, Where are the pivot points?
There are two distinct Star Wars universes. The first is Legends, previously known as the Expanded Universe(EU). The second is Canon, or as some insist on calling it, the Disney Canon(DC). Both universes share a common history in the original Complete Saga, Episode 1-6.
Following these fixed points in time, the quest of this project is to figure out the pivot points that drive time from these films into either EU or DC territory. With that being said, there have to be at least 13 pivot points throughout the Star Wars Timeline.
The Creation of the Star Wars Universe
Pre The Phantom Menace
Post The Phantom Menace
Pre Attack of the Clones
Post Attach of the Clones
Pre Revenge of the Sith
Post Revenge of the Sith
Pre A New Hope
Post A New Hope
Pre The Empire Strikes Back
Post The Empire Strikes Back
Pre Return of the Jedi
Post Return of the Jedi
When dealing with these pivot points the question we must answer is what events, decisions, or circumstances would cause the timeline to diverge and then converge again. If indeed, for the sake of this project, we believe that all of Star Wars takes place in the same universe, just separate timelines, what cosmic happenstances would Force the stream of time to fracture as it does?
Part 1, The Creation of the Star Wars Universe
The start of this universe we all hold near and dear to our hearts is the first of seven fixed points in our timeline. While the DC does not state how the Universe began, we are going to assume it is the same as the EU, A Big Bang. The main point of divergence is as follows…
In the EU the first sentient life form emerges on Goroth Prime
In the DC the first sentient life form emerges on the Planet Crul
Scientifically there can be many many many reasons why the timelines split at this point. Perhaps an asteroid barely missed a proto-planet after The Big Bang, or more mystical, the Force attempted to control the creation of life and inadvertently allowed two timelines to form. The biggest issue with trying to solve this specific divergence is how little information we have about the creation of the universe from either DC or EU. Until new information is available, all that is left to us is speculation.
The two timelines continue to progress, blissfully unaware of each other. As much as things are different, the will of the Force creates some very similar things.
As time travels in through the Old Republic of the EU and the High Republic of the DC, eventually the timelines converge on the second fixed point in time, The Phantom Menace.
Part 2, Pre The Phantom Menace
“The Jedi Order’s problem is Yoda. No being can wield that kind of power for centuries without becoming complacent at best or corrupt at worst. He has no idea that it’s overtaken him; he no longer sees all the little cumulative evils that the Republic tolerates and fosters, from slavery to endless wars, and he never asks, “why are we not acting to stop this?” Live alongside corruption for too long and you no longer notice the stench. The Jedi cannot help the slaves of Tatooine, but they can help the slavemasters.” -Count Dooku (Star Wars: The Clone Wars Novelization, 2008, EU)
While tackling this first converging of the timelines I had to assess what things were different at what things stayed the same. Through my research, I believe that the pivot point in the Pre TPM time in Count Dooku, Son of Serenno.
In the EU Dooku was discovered by the Jedi Order in much the same way most Younglings were found. He grew up in the Temple not caring about his origin, landing himself at the tutelage of Jedi Master Thame Cerulian.
In the DC Dooku was abandoned by his parents and cast off on the Jedi because of his Force abilities. Dooku discovered the truth of his abandonment and it became a huge part of his identity. Dooku was later chosen by Jedi Master Yoda to be his apprentice, which made Dooku very proud.
While there are many differences in events and in dates, what stays the same in either timeline regarding Dooku’s history is his choice to teach Jedi Padawan Qui-Gon Jinn. In the EU this occurs in 66BBY, yet in the DC this occurs in 68BBY. Either way, this occurs, and this is our pivot point that drove the timelines back together: Dooku’s decision to train Qui-Gon.
This is how the events of The Phantom Menace are put into motion. With this decision, Qui-Gon is placed on a path to eventually train Obi-Wan Kenobi, travel to Naboo to discuss a trade dispute, find a vergence in the Force on Tatooine, and die on Naboo to a deadly Zabrak.
Part 3, Post The Phantom Menace
As the events of The Phantom Menace come to a close the timelines once again split. Divergences are much more difficult to pinpoint. What could exactly happen that would cause a timeline to diverge after this fixed event? When did it happen? How long after the events of the film did the timeline split in two? Does the fixed point in time only stretch as far as the film does?
My postulate is that the timeline divergence hinges on Syfo-Dyas. Is he dead or is he alive?
As seen in the image above Syfo-Dyas is alive towards the end of the Clone Wars in the DC timeline, yet Syfo-Dyas was killed in 32BBY (the same year TPM takes place) according to the accounts of the EU timeline. What if, Dooku (yes, him again) was met with a choice in that same year to kill Syfo-Dyas or lock him up, and the timeline splits based on that decision.
If Dooku chooses to spare Syfo-Dyas’ life, then the timeline branches off into the DC material. Specifically, the Comic-Book of Obi-Wan training Anakin.
If Dooku chooses to kill Syfo-Dyas, then the timeline branches off into the EU material. Specifically the Jedi Quest books, Rogue Planet, and The Approaching Storm.
These two timelines continue on. Anakin learns to become a Jedi under the training of Kenobi, yet the specific details of their journeys are different. In the EU timeline, Anakin returns to Pod-Racing. In the DC timeline, Obi-Wan and Anakin embark mission to Dallenor. There are many other differences, yet not much happens between The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones in either timeline. For having 10 years in between them, it’s a history dark zone. We can now move on then to what would make the timelines converge once again.
Part 4, Pre Attack of the Clones
Last: February 17, 2021
“SO DIE ALREADY!!”
Should you update the first post to say Version 5?
FWIW, I think that both lines in question should stay as they are.
“It was I who bridged your minds.”
Snoke bridging their minds could honestly be a jump start of something that was going to happen anyways or a lie. And either is a fine enough explanation.
“I have been every voice you have ever heard inside your head.”
Palpatine has been manipulating Ben Solo from Exegol through Snoke (either as a meat puppet or a servant and it doesn’t matter which) and through the legacy of Vader. Either through Vader’s voice or visions from the helmet or simply through the history that’s there. “It has been I who has manipulated you through my influence with Snoke and Vader.”
I’m thinking of incorporating your light speed skipping sequence into my own edit, do you have a high quality clip of that with lossless audio?
The concept art may not show a broken crystal but the movie clearly shows it in two pieces
Honestly I don’t think we should change Rey’s lightsaber. It’s pretty clear that the prongs just cover the emitter and as she turns the gear it opens allowing the blade to ignite. That’s why her igniting takes an extra second compared to other sabers we’ve seen. The blade doesn’t push the prongs, but they open as the gear turns.
The prongs don’t touch the blade at all so there’s no need for them to be made of Beskar or Unobtainium
Alright, I finally got myself a computer that can edit and FCP. My next big hurdle into the world of fanediting (which I have never done) is how on Earth do I get a copy of TROS with all the audio channels and whatnot intact since my macbook doesn’t have a way to rip blu-rays. Does everyone else have a Blu-ray drive that they rip from, any recommendations?
I think if the TIE Advanced was used, it would be cool to squeeze in a shot of one or two of them somewhere amongst the wreckage of the Death Star.
What if a Tie Advanced was placed behind that one shot of Finn and Janah inside the Death Star wreckage?
I don’t know if it’s just me, but the new effects for the crackle saber are almost too subtle compared to what kewlfish was doing originally.
I like the Ajan Kloss battlefront shot simply because it gives us an idea of the size of the base. In the film the base has no sense of scale, it’s just a bunch of disconnected areas. A simple shot like this one gives us an idea of they bases size and position.
So, are these actually completed files? Could I get a link to them?
One of my biggest sorrows was seeing this DVD during a road trip across the country and not picking it up.
Has someone made DVD art that matches Adywans original ANH:R DVD cover? I couldn’t find one in this thread, most of the images are missing
Amazing work Burbin! It’s incredible what this community can do!
Just remake the entire sequel trilogy by making new scenes, a la Adywan
Not to be a naysayer but after viewing V5 the one changed you made sticks out to me. Rey now teleports into a position where she clearly wasn’t…
Could I get a link as well?
How on earth is the download quota exceeded already! What is it? 2?