darth_ender

There were audio dramas made for Dark Empire.  Just listened to the first one last week, and I will not continue.  I already have a hard time with the comic and a resurrected Palpatine (what a clever idea, resurrecting a supposedly dead character!), but the audio drama is even worse.  Only thing I liked was hearing Billy Dee Williams and discovering that I can do a reasonable impersonation.  Hey, I was driving pretty far for work, and found it a truly dull drive with a truly lame story.  "How ya doin' you old pirate!  So good to see ya!"  Hey, that sounded pretty good!

In all seriousness, how palatable would a Thrawn mini-series be to the most hardore group of Star Wars purists I've ever encountered?  I don't think I made it clear that my intention for it would be to elevate its canonicity to a higher level than the novels (where I believe it deserves to be), while still being below the films (which of course are the true canon).

I'm iffy about the action figure SOTE, but if you say it's good, it might be worth checking out.  However, I don't speak Portugese, which would likely present a problem.

I've been considering how one might make these movies.  I've had thoughts, but my thoughts I suspect would be upsetting the 75% of those who frequent this forum.  My thoughts involved a mini-series rather than a movie.  This could allow for greater length and depth, and would also keep the canonicity of the episodes lower so as not to conflict too much with both the OT purists and the EU lovers.  It would be live-action as opposed to CGI, but we are presented with difficulties of old, wrinkly actors.  Well, I just say recast them.  Again, this is a television mini-series, so it could be disregarded by those who don't like anyone touching what seems too precious to them.  I find it interesting that Nathan Hamill, who resembles his father, is about the right age to play Luke Skywalker in the timeframe of the Thrawn trilogy.  I haven't thought of suitable replacements for the other actors, but I humorously think to myself that I once knew a guy whose first name escapes me, but his last name was Norton.  I remember looking through a People magazine showing actors when they were younger and asked the reader to guess who they were.  One picture immediately struck me as 20 year-old Norton, causing me to laugh, as it was truly Harrison Ford.  I wish I could find Norton, as he might pull off a respectable Han Solo :)

I look forward to seeing your end product, even in  an alpha version form.  Keep us posted whenever you feel any inclination, as I feel this has some great promise.

Bingowings said:

Droids are pretty much like washing machines in the Star Wars universe.

Owen's initial rejection of Threepio could be down to having one for a bit and not being that impressed (and then buying him anyway because his wife keeps using Luke as a proxy nag-o-phone).

Obi-Wan's droid fib (and yes he is prone to lying through his teeth thanks to George's many retcons) doesn't make any sense at all.

What does Kenobi hope to gain by either not telling the truth or perhaps being an uber-pedant?

OBI-WAN said :

I don't seem to remember ever owning a droid...very interesting. I was on first name terms with a few, including one that looks exactly like this one...funny little fella we used to call him Artoo but I never actually owned one. 

Someone once said that the burden of meshing the two trilogies together via fan editing should be placed on the PT, but I've thought that such would be far too difficult in some cases.  However, just this morning  I actually thought of a simple idea to correct this little mistake.  A little voice splicing and cutting to Luke's face could resultin a line such as, "I seem to remember a droid like this one...very interesting."  I don't know exactly where to get the "like this one" part, but something along these lines might be doable, simply showing that he vaguely remembers R2, but that 20 years have obscured his memory and he can't be sure.

Interesting points being brought up.  I don't wish to dispute them all; some I agree with, some I do not.  However, it is important to note that his breathing and speaking are not tied together.  Most of his breathing is machine assisted, possibly something like a tracheotomy.  Hearing Sebastian Shaw's lines at the end of ROTJ reveal that he clearly has much difficulty getting sufficient air through his own vocal chords to do much, and his mask takes what little he can produce and turns it into his James Earl Jones voice.  This distinction between his speaking and breathing is not just apparent in this film, but in all others featuring Vader in-suit, as well as in the novelization of Episode III.  This is why Luke was so concerned about taking off his mask: his mask is not merely an air filter, but rather an actual pump.

Think I could get an invite as well?  Thanks in advance.

muddyknees2000 said:

I dont want to have to consult additional material to enjoy a film. If its not enjoyable the way it is, then its a failure.

 I hear you.  Just my perspective.

Well, I certainly respect his wishes and will not try to further sway him.  I was just brainstorming, and after reading others' comments, I can definitely see how out of place the footage would be.  Like I said in the other thread, I don't mind the PT as much and was thinking of how he could possibly do what he stated he would try to do.  Who knows?  I guess we'll have to wait for 20 years and see if he is able to turn the PT into something more people will enjoy :)

I used to feel that way, but surprisingly they've slowly grown on me in recent months.  I think this is partly due to recently reading the novels where I can pretend the acting is great, and they also provide a more serious tone and extrapolate on many of the details that are not explained clearly.  Perhaps that is why I am more willing to integrate the two trilogies better.

And I am not making any further effort to change his mind.  I know many others have offered their input and just wanted to give my two cents.  He didn't like it, so I'm done.

That's fine if he has no interest in including PT elements.  However, he already has done so, as Obi-Wan lights his lightsaber first (and Adywan admitted that was because he lit first in Ep. III), and then the duel uses the PT music.  I know he is trying to preserve as much of George Lucas's original intent as possible, simply making improvements and not wanting to change the story.  However as I know he will ultimately be working on all three episodes of "prequel garbage," trying to improve upon them drastically and integrate them better into the OT, I thought this slight change could help with such an integration.  He doesn't like the idea.  That's fine.  It was just an idea that crossed my mind.  And I happen to like the prequels and would love to see how he does better integrate the two trilogies.

That is certainly fine with me if Adywan and no one else finds the idea appealing.  I just cannot think of any other way to do what Adywan has stated elsewhere that he intends to do, that being the restructuring of the storyline so as to preserve the big surprise.  The only thing I can think of as an alternative would be to turn the PT into a 1 or 2 part movie, removing a great deal of detail, but still hinting at Anakin's potential for falling.  In reality, I think Episode III would have to almost entirely be removed.  But I was just offering an idea, and don't want to get the thread any further off the topic of his current project than necessary.

When ANH "Revisted" becomes "Re-revisited," a change that I think could be valuable in tying things together between trilogies would be relatively minor in its simplicity, but could have significant impact.  As Qui-Gon was the first Jedi to learn how to communicate with the living after becoming one with the force, and even yells at Anakin while he slaughters the Tusken Raiders, I thought it might be valuable to include one or two points where the older Obi-Wan ponders, then hears the voice of Qui-Gon guiding his decision-making.  You could easily gather Liam Neeson's dialogue from other films, such as Ras Al-Ghul telling Bruce Wayne that "You were my greatest student," or other potentially useful lines.  This could help smoothe out the confusion that also arose for so many when they thought Yoda was Obi-Wan's instructor, then learned of Qui-Gon.  Places where this could potentially be useful might include his reflection on once being called "Obi-Wan" instead of Ben, his pauses and pondering on Tatooine after viewing Leia's hologram, as he begins his hunt for the tractor beam terminal on the Death Star, and just as he is about to face Vader.  Just a thought for you to get to when you are 86 and in a straight jacket, able to finally return to working on this edit.

This comment will be a little out of place, as it refers more to your future projects than the present, but I was trying to think of ways to tie things together in the ways that you have outlined elsewhere.  You mentioned that the prequel trilogy would need some major plot restructuring to maintain important surprises when the trilogy is watched from Episodes I-VI, most notably the fact that Darth Vader is Anakin Skywalker.  That would of course require the removal of Palpatine's "anointing" him, as well as his breaking Padme's heart and the subsequent lightsaber duel with Obi-Wan.  What occurs to me is that with these important scenes removed, you lose much of the understanding of how Anakin fell.  However, I agree completely that the PT spoils a lot of the surprises of the OT.  A possible solution would be the insertion of a flashback scene during Obi-Wan's background exposition to Luke on Dagobah in ROTJ.  It would be up to you if you wanted to utilize the whole scene or merely clips of course, and perhaps some Alec Guiness impersonations to expand upon the flashback.  While the scenes spoil the ultimate secret of Vader's relationship to Luke, I don't feel it should be discarded completely.