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#621449
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Deleted, altered, and alternate material project (Released)
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In answer to your first question, I don't know.  Maybe.  I'm no pro at pretty much anything.  Anyone else who knows better could answer.  In answer to the second question, the thought has occurred to me, but it already takes so long to copy and paste and crop the images that it's almost not worthwhile to do it piece by piece...at least, not without help *wink wink*.

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#621397
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you meen hes a....mormon?
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Adam Sandler has that song about how all these famous people are Jewish and you probably didn’t know about some of them. Well, I won’t compose a tune to go with it, but I thought it’d be fun to list from time to time some prominent members of society who are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Orson Scott Card – Author of Ender’s Game series and numerous other sci-fi/fantasy works

Mitt Romney – Former governor of Massachusetts, former presidential candidate

Jon Huntsman – Former ambassador to China, former presidential candidate

Jon Heder – Actor best known for his role as Napoleon Dynamite

Glen A. Larsen – Producer of original Battlestar Galactica

Stephanie Meyer – Author of Twilight series

Harry Reid – former Senate Democrat Majority Leader

Glenn Beck – Conservative political pundit

And the man who may surprise and please you all most…Gary Kurtz – producer of Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back

I’ll post more from time to time, and anyone is welcome to contribute. Yes, there are sites that list every conceivable Mormon of prominence, but I think it’d be more fun if every time you learn about someone in some casual manner, only then do you post it.

Update: Steve Young (descendant of Brigham Young) - Former NFL Star

Tracy Hickman - Popular fantasy author

Wilford Brimley - Actor who played in movies like Cocoon, or more importantly Ewoks: The Battle for Endor

Christian Jacobs and Chad Larson - Members of a band named the Aquabats_(often described as new wave, but also as rock, punk, ska, and synthpop; perhaps best summarized as a super-hero music group)_

Scott Schultz - creator of Yo Gabba Gabba!, along with the aforementioned Chad Larson.

Rulon Gardner - Olympic wrestler, Biggest Loser contestant

Ken Jennings - Longest running Jeopardy! champion, second highest Jeopardy! prize winner, and number one prize winner of all game shows

Amy Adams - Actress of rising popularity, getting her big break in Disney’s Enchanted, raised LDS, though no longer practicing

Aaron Eckhart - Popular actor, perhaps best known for his role as Two-Face in The Dark Knight, raised LDS, though no longer practicing

Elaine Bradley - drummer for the Neon Trees. In reality, I believe the entire band is Mormon, aside from the singer who has since left the faith.

Dan Reynolds - lead singer for Imagine Dragons.

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#621388
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Ask the member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints AKA Interrogate the Mormon
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^
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Ask-the-member-of-the-Church-of-Jesus-Christ-of-Latter-day-Saints-AKA-Interrogate-the-Mormon/post/567073/#TopicPost567073

If you click on this link, you find another than will give you a nice view on the subject. My understanding is that many leaders have expressed different views on the subject. Certainly the more forceful have been against it. Certainly the majority of members do not believe in it. But I am unaware of any actual binding statement that forbids believing in it or declares it true or untrue. It's really left pretty ambiguous. Actually, while people tend to feel more comfortable with definite boundaries and prescriptions, in reality much of what my church teaches is not ironclad; there is room for interpretation on a number of subjects. But don't let me mischaracterize us either. There are of course other things that are set in stone. Anyway, the subject at hand is evolution, and I am providing another link for you which includes quotes of leaders that tend to go both ways on the topic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_views_on_evolution

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#621387
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Deleted, altered, and alternate material project (Released)
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So this project is no where near dead. Though I haven't posted here for a month, I still have been collecting pictures in my spare time. Here's the thing: I haven't found any new pictures from deleted scenes for a long time. However, when I started collecting pictures, it occurred to me that there are a number of interesting alternate angles and shots that could be included. And aren't alternate takes, in a sense, deleted material? From there I started expanding my collection. Then it occurred to me that all the changes throughout the various incarnations of the films are in a sense, deletions and replacements. So my deleted project has expanded greatly.

Well, now I find myself at the point where I'm ready to stop. I have located sources with hundreds of pictures, often not well organized, and it takes a great deal of time to download them all. I've been reorganizing things, and ultimately the clips I had already created are now dreadfully obsolete. I've really found some cool stuff.

I wish I could get some help (hint hint). Most particularly, I'm struggling with starwarsarchives.com. Tyrphanax has offered to help, but I know he's plenty busy. That dude has some unique material, and even though much is watermarked, I'd still like to get ahold of it. But as far as I can tell, since it's a flash site, there is only one way to get those pictures: printscreen, paste to Paint, save. And I can only do this with the smaller pictures because once you enlarge most of them, they always take up more than your screen, no matter what efforts you use to try to shrink them to simply fill your screen. I've settled with the smaller pics, but it's still so time consuming. I'd love some generous souls who were willing to even help with just a few. That way I could finish with the downloading and work on the organizing and converting to video files.

Also, I still need help capturing stuff from the BDs (mentioned in the above message). If you need to know specifically where to find it, PM me. I can't get those on my own, but I think they'd be worth having. And really, if anyone can help in any way at all, please let me know. I can suggest areas of focus.

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#621383
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The Armchair Movie Critic thread
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Ah, I'm glad you commented :) I admit that I'm not an expert on all these things. But based on my novice understanding, it seems hard to swallow. I actually have read something agreeing with you completely--that if our sun magically turned into a black hole, the system wouldn't budge because the mass would remain the same. But that's what I find hard to believe. Our sun won't ever magically turn into a black hole because it lacks the mass to do so. If it magically attained the mass to turn into a black hole, then it would indeed swallow our system.

And that's why I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the red matter black holes. The only explanation for a black hole is incredibly massive amounts of gravity. The only creator of gravity that I'm aware of is mass. Where does the mass come from that consumes Vulcan? And if that mass were present, why was it not enough to consume Delta Vega as well? Am I still missing something? It makes sense in my little noggin.

As for the gamma rays, I agree--they could be dangerous to Romulus if close enough, but certainly wouldn't be enough to destroy the planet Death Star-style.

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#621380
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The thread where we make enemies out of friends, aka the abortion debate thread
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I appreciate the personal stories, as they show that the waters are not as crystal clear as one would hope (at least, I see why it's not clear to others). And I really am sorry for your sister, Bingo. But to me, the value of a human life does not depend on how much someone has bonded with it. That value is innate, in my opinion. People often treat mammals much more kindly than they do to reptiles. I suppose this is because we can better detect the emotions in mammals, can relate more closely to their nature, and maybe even their appearance. But I, and I imagine you Bingo, are deeply hurt when someone mistreats a reptile or an amphibian. I remember when I was young, I found a horned toad. I showed it to a friend of mine, who started picking it up and throwing it around. I don't believe he had thrown it hard enough or from high enough to do any serious damage, but I was horrified, and when he wasn't looking, I took it and hid it where he couldn't find it. I felt that its value didn't depend on how much my friend had grown attached to it. It was a living creature that deserved further life.

I may sound like a hypocrite as I much on my pasta with meat sauce, but I favor the humane treatment of animals, even if they are to be killed. But a human life, even an undeveloped one, is even infinitely more valuable than an animal to me.

Again, thank you for sharing your story. I mean that genuinely.

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#621376
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The Enderverse (WAS: Finally! Ender's Game emerges from Development Hell!)
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There are no more Enderverse books left to read. This summer, another will come along in the prequel trilogy, but for now I have to read something else. I just finished Earth Unaware, the first in said prequel trilogy about the first alien invasion. It was the first of the Enderverse to be coauthored, so if I were to give my suspicions, the concepts were Orson Scott Card's, but the story was put into words by Aaron Johnston.

What to say, I finished a couple of weeks ago, so some of it is escaping me. The story starts with a family of "freeminers" mining for ore in the Kuiper belt. It sets up an interesting culture of clans who travel and remain in space their entire lives, given the difficulty in covering such vast distances with our relatively slow speeds (near light-travel is not yet attainable). One clan discovers an alien vessel approaching the Sol system, and as they prepare to get a message to earth, a corporate mining ship with its own (unrelated) agenda damages them. As a result, it becomes drastically more difficult to sound the alarm, and the good guys have to figure out an alternative while also attempting to interfere with the aliens' approach.

I won't provide any real spoilers in this one. I'll just say that the book pulls no punches. You grow to care about these new characters, and the authors feel little guilt killing off some of those you hope most to live, while allowing scumbags to survive. The brutal realities of the dangers of space travel are made quite apparent. In fact, I'd say this book is the most scientifically in-depth and accurate and descriptive (with believable technobabble) I've read in all the Enderverse's stories; I suspect this was a major contribution from Johnston. For those who enjoyed Ender's Game but felt all subsequent books were too cerebral and lacking in excitement, this one might better appeal to you--it really is action-packed and frightening at times. I recommend it.

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#621371
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The Armchair Movie Critic thread
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So after hearing the news about Abrams directing Star Wars, I decided to watch ST09 to sort of get a feel of his style. I know everyone else already did this in the General Star Wars forum, but I wanted to list my problems with the film; I actually have several gripes with it, and hopefully I can list them all here.

First, let me acknowledge that I understand that this is science-fiction with a certain amount of escapism expected and several natural laws, such as sound in space, are simply ignored for enjoyment purposes. However, several things really stood out to me as implausible and distracting. So while many of my reviews in this thread are tongue-in-cheek, this one is more serious.

1. I understand the purpose of the convenient plot device/MacGuffin in red matter. However, this is truly a distracting element to me. Aside from the fact that we aren’t even graced with any technobabble explanation of what red matter is or how it’s contained, why does “igniting” this tiny bit of magical substance create a black hole? They don’t call black holes singularities because they couldn’t think of a cooler name. A black hole is comprised of such heavy mass that it collapses on itself, creating a “single” dimensionless point in space comprised of truly tremendous amounts of mass and energy. So how does this red matter create enough gravitational pull to do this? Where does the additional mass come from?

2. There seems to be some confusion as to how a black hole works. Yes, theoretically black holes affect the space/time continuum to the point that time travel can take place, but that is before you actually reach the black hole. If you fall into the hole, you contributing to the growing mass of this gravitational pit in space, you don't simply travel through some space tunnel.

3. The strength of a black hole's gravity is enough to prevent even light from escaping its grasp. The Enterprise's engines are supposed to take it to speeds far past the speed of light. Yet, with the warp engines going full power they still couldn't escape, meaning they were past the event horizon and should have been doomed. But no, they eject several small canisters filled with antimatter that surely would create a tremendous explosion here on earth, but would amount to nothing compared to the gravitational pull of the black hole. Yet, the explosion is more powerful than the Enterprise's warp drive, and it blasts them to safety...and it doesn't destroy them in the process. Oh, and the Enterprise was only maintaining its distance from the black hole because their warp engines were running, engines that are powered by the jettisonned warp cores--why didn't they get sucked in the moment they released the cores?

4. Okay, I understand that people receive field commissions. But Pike elevating cadet Kirk to first mate while he was being tried and stowed away on the ship is sloppy. I can't imagine the crew would stand for that promotion. It clearly was borne out of favoritism. Then Kirk's cruel means of proving Spock was emotionally compromised--yeah, that would win him brownie points with the crew that is supposed to follow him. Field commands are only temporary, and I find it unlikely that, in spite of his amazing last minute save, he would receive a permanent promotion to captain once he got back to earth.

5. Why would anyone in the crew accept Kirk’s command anyway, given his clear disrespect for the authority of others, his means of attaining that authority, and his clear and dangerous impulsivity? I can imagine he would be arrested a second time for his own violations and relieved of his illegitimately obtained position.

6. What kind of moronic admiralty would send an entire fleet except for five about-to-be-manned-for-the-first-time-and-almost-entirely-with-new-recruits vessels in defense of its headquarters world? It must have been a rather small fleet or an extremely large engagement to have tied up Starfleet in the Laurentian System.

7. It’s amazing how all the original crew members find their way to their intended positions/roles despite a completely different set of events leading up to their assignment to the Enterprise. The butterfly effect would dictate that a number of events would have gone differently, including and perhaps most obviously the conception of anyone younger than Jim Kirk (considering that was the day the timeline was altered). Yet all posts are filled by their respective crew members (including Chekov, who didn't join the crew till, what, the second season?) in a few days time.

8. If xhonzi hates little “wink-wink” lines in The Hobbit and The Dark Knight Rises, he must have really hated the plethora of dumb nods in this film, like Spock's line about eliminating the impossible, etc., etc.

9. A transporter can beam through atmospheric disturbances across massive distances and even traveling at very high speeds, but apparently an energy drill provides enough interference to completely prevent teleportation, and only as an incidental byproduct. Perhaps if the Romulans had developed a device devoted specifically devoted to interfering with transporting, then I could believe such was taking place.  But I guess then it would have been harder to justify an orbital skydive to take out a single device and attempt to kill two birds with one stone.

10. What is the point of even having a separate, descending drill? If this drill is powerful and cohesive enough to cut into the crust of a planet, I can’t imagine that it would suffer much from atmospheric interference. But instead the Romulan ship lowers this scrawny little device with a powerful beam miles deep into a planet's atmosphere where it could much more easily be damaged or even destroyed.

11. And in a combination of the drill and the red matter/black hole weirdness, why would a drill even be needed? A black hole right next to the planet would be more than enough to completely destroy it.

12. A supernova can send out massive amounts of radiation and can destroy any existing life in “nearby” systems (nearby of course being a relative term, approximately 100 lightyears) in the same way that the Chernobyl reactor in Ukraine threatened anyone who lived near it when it exploded. However, I’ve never read of a supernova threatening an entire galaxy (ours being 100,000 lightyears across) as old Spock states, or that its mere explosive force could even reach into other systems and destroy planets (only the radiation should be able to reach that far). But even imagining that such a supernova were so powerful, it would take years and years to reach the next planet, as such an explosion would be traveling significantly slower than the speed of light. A warp capable ship would be able to get where it needed to easily in time to utilize whatever crazy plan folks had. And you’d think that Starfleet would have the technology to detect that a star is becoming critically unstable and develop that plan in advance. And again, that silly black hole idea…considering that this supernova is blowing up in all directions. One would have to get this black hole in the middle of the supernova to successfully suck it all back up, and then make it strong enough that it’s gravity would pull the massive and ever expanding explosion in and thus stop it from spreading any further. But wait, if the gravity is so strong, it would also pull in all planets, stars, and ships in the same radius! That means the Vulcan plan to save Romulus would have killed it anyway! Wow, I should have divided that into like 4 or 5 different points. Oh well.

13. Okay, so Vulcan gets destroyed.  Spock Prime is apparently on a planet close by called Delta Vega. Again, I can’t help but wonder how the black hole consumed Vulcan and didn’t harm a planet that must have been about as close and the earth and the moon, judging by the size of Vulcan when Spock watched it get destroyed.

14. Who would build a massive ship filled with a bunch of spaced apart catwalks and no railing? Sure, it’s fun, makes for some nifty Mario-style jumps and slow-mo shots, but in reality there has to be some sort of Romulan builder’s code or safety standards that disallow this.

15. I understand that this is a different version of events, but obviously some things must have remained consistent between the two timelines of Star Trek for so many similar events to take place. Let’s look at the Kobayashi Maru scenario. For story purposes, I can buy that events were not changed enough to forgo the existence of this scenario (though one cannot truly even guess the extent of the butterfly effect were history ever altered in even the slightest manner), but clearly Spock Prime was not ever involved in the original programming of the Kobayashi Maru in the classic timeline, yet he is intimately involved, to the point that we get hints at hurt pride in the Vulcan in this new timeline. If this were a change, you'd think the scenario would have been drastically different than described in The Wrath of Khan.

16. The concept of rebooting, yet maintaining the original continuity in Star Trek is a clever way to appeal to two different sorts of fan, IMO. However, what was it that drove Spock to be so much more emotional and identify so much more closely with his human side, at least prior to the loss of the planet Vulcan? Perhaps following its destruction I could see the timeline leading to a more human Spock falling in love with Uhura, being more emotionally driven, etc. After all, his father confessed his love of his mother, earth is the closest thing he has to a home now, etc. But really, the pre-Vulcan holocaust Spock should have been as in control of his emotions as Leonard Nimoy.

Alright, that was pretty harsh. So let me say what I liked about it. It's fun. It's different. I did like the concept of a reboot that doesn't erase what "old-school" fans love about Trek. I like that they travel to other worlds, that there is good old-fashioned fisticuffs, and so on. I don't really have too much of a problem with the lens flares. I would watch it again without shame, and I look forward to its sequel. But it is certainly a very flawed movie.

BTW, I won't bother posting in the other thread because I'm only making a few cameos, but I think Abrams can do a great respect to Star Wars. He's flexible, innovative, and recognizes what makes a particular film work. I think he can stay true to the style of Star Wars and especially the OT.

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#621365
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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So I had a thought, likely something that won't even end up in Adywan's revamp, but something that is nevertheless worth considering in my opinion. I've been rereading the original Star Wars novel, and I still love it. It's a good book with its own unique traits and insight into Star Wars.

Now, as is well known, there were 30 ships involved in the assault on the Death Star ("We count 30 ships, Lord Vader, but they're so small they're evading our turbolasers," both in the novel and film). Additionally, we see unique pilots with different helmets during the takeoff from Yavin, pilots and helmets we never see again. In the end, we see two X-wings (obviously Luke and Wedge) and a mysterious Y-wing return to Yavin. According to the novel, there were four squadrons involved in the attack, as evidenced by, Dodonna saying during the briefing, "Yellow squadron will cover for Red on the first run. Green will cover Blue in the second." As is well known, Luke was part of a 12 man X-wing squadron assigned the Blue designation (changed to Red for the film), and the Y-wings who made the first trench run were part of Red squadron (changed to Gold for the film). But we see none of the interference run by the other two squadrons.

I can't help but wonder what it would have been like to see more of the other two groups' involvement. It wouldn't have to be much, but it sure would be nice to see a slightly extended battle as we already have in ANH:R, but with newly filmed pilots (with helmets like those in the Yavin hangar) in cockpits engaging and distracting the TIE fighters, taking part in radio chatter, perhaps every now and then even making encouraging comments to Red and Gold squadrons. I feel this could be done without destroying the pacing of the battle if worked in carefully. But it would involve a great deal of unique visuals and building at least one cockpit for filming.

I just looked this up: according to EU sources, Blue and Green would have distracted Imperials by attacking the superlaser. Though I'm sure most here are not fans of the EU (and my fandom does not extend particularly far), this would be an interesting way to interpret it, as such an attack could not afford to be ignored by the Imperials and really could provide some freedom for the more important but less threatening (in appearance) trench run. I understand that dragging out the battle could potentially damage the tension felt by the audience, but I wonder if it could be pulled off without such problems. I know I'd really like to see something like this.

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#621364
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Ask the member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints AKA Interrogate the Mormon
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I gave the answer to TheBoost in a PM, but I figured I would repost it here for the benefit of others who wanted to know the answer.

First, let me give you a link to an article by your favorite ;) LDS author, addressing critics to his recommendation that others see The Passion of the Christ.

http://www.nauvoo.com/library/card-r-rated-movie.html

The important quotes are as follows:


Orson Scott Card said:

"Only one President of the Church has made an official statement that mentioned R-rated movies. On three occasions, President Ezra Taft Benson, when speaking specifically to the youth of the Church, mentioned films so rated....Remember, President Benson is speaking to the young men of the Church when he says: 'Consider carefully the words of the prophet Alma to his errant son, Corianton, "Forsake your sins, and go no more after the lusts of your eyes." (Alma 39:9.)

'"The lusts of your eyes." In our day, what does that expression mean?

'Movies, television programs, and video recordings that are both suggestive and lewd.

'Magazines and books that are obscene and pornographic.

'We counsel you, young men, not to pollute your minds with such degrading matter, for the mind through which this filth passes is never the same afterwards. Don't see R-rated movies or vulgar videos or participate in any entertainment that is immoral, suggestive, or pornographic. Don't listen to music that is degrading' (Ensign, May 1986, p 43).'

"The mention of R-rated movies is clearly linked to a specific goal -- keeping one's mind free of entertainment that is 'immoral, suggestive, or pornographic.' The purpose of the Prophet's wise counsel is to keep us from entertainment that will excite sexual lust in an inappropriate context....But what does any of this have to do with a beautiful, faith-based film like The Passion of the Christ? How does President Benson's counsel even remotely apply to this work of Christian art? There is nothing in this film that appeals to the 'lusts of your eyes'; there is nothing 'lewd' or 'obscene' or 'immoral, suggestive, or pornographic.'

Quite the contrary. This film inspires you to feel gratitude to the Savior and love for those that he loved and who loved him. It inspires you with a dread of and revulsion for Satan and all his ways. It leaves you with a broken heart and a contrite spirit."


Orson Scott Card has other good quotes from Church leaders in there that are useful, but perhaps this will serve best:

Elder H. Burke Peterson said:

"Again I say, leave it alone. Turn it off, walk away from it, burn it, erase it, destroy it. I know it is hard counsel we give when we say movies that are R-rated, and many with PG-13 ratings, are produced by satanic influences. Our standards should not be dictated by the rating system. I repeat, because of what they really represent, these types of movies, music, tapes, etc. serve the purposes of the author of all darkness."

Source: http://www.lds.org/ensign/1993/11/touch-not-the-evil-gift-nor-the-unclean-thing


In other words, like you said, there is no binding commandment not to watch R-rated films, but there is a strong suggestion. There is an equally strong suggestion to avoid PG-13 films that may be inappropriate. In reality, members of my Church are generally ascribing something like a rabbinical oral law to what is God's actual law: that we use our own judgment to determine what we watch, that we don't go by the determinations of others' vague ratings, but just as very general guidance we should avoid R-rated films. To me this means we can watch R-rated movies, but should be EXTREMELY selective. This also means we can watch PG-13 movies, but should be more selective than many of us are.

Further reading for your enjoyment:

http://www.lds.org/ensign/1977/11/rated-a

https://www.lds.org/ensign/1981/04/i-have-a-question?lang=eng

In answer to your question, have I seen R-rated films: yes. Some have been rather inappropriate, but I was not so judicious or trying to live as righteously as I have since. But generally I've been selective. I haven't seen an R-rated film for at least two years. I do purchase edited movies and prefer to watch those, and generally I don't notice much difference. Perhaps some would roll their eyes while others might question their legality (a common criticism leveled towards CleanFlix and its clones). In response to the latter, if one purchases the original film, I don't see a problem (sort of like what we do with Star Wars fan edits here at this site). But in reply to the former, I just like a cleaner product, and if anyone disagrees, they are free to watch whatever they wish.

I should go finish watching my edited version of Band of Brothers :)

Hope this helps :)

[forgive the formatting, as I'm using a proxy server that won't let me format correctly]

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#618280
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OA (OT.comoholics Anonymous) for darth_ender AKA darth_ender's self-imposed rules for managing his time
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This is just getting worse.  I really have wasted so much time here today and other days.  I think my Internet addiction is affecting my work and school and family life.  It pains me to see what I'm doing.  I know I'm usually sarcastic and silly, but I'm writing this in all seriousness.  I cannot write here anymore.  I don't mean ever, because a while back I had things better under control.  But I have wasted so much time, it makes me sick to think about it.

Here's my commitment.  Starting now, I will not post anything for one month.  That way I will be less inclined to check for replies.  I will not post elsewhere either, such as at the Jedi Council Forums.  Too much wasted time.

I have some correspondence going on.  I will continue to reply to PMs, at least for now.  But I will try to stay away for a while, and when I come back, I will set a new goal.  Thanks for hearing me out and for helping to hold me accountable, just by being here and reading this thread.  A public commitment is more likely to be followed through on.

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#618273
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The Empire Strikes Back - Wampa Attack - New Stop Motion Shots - Edit
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Well, in a sense it is used in films completely done in that style, such as Wallace & Gromit.  But to see it incorporated into live movies again would be wonderful.  It's sad to see such an art go the way of the dinosaur.

(That last line is a very subtle joke--so subtle that I better explain it.  Jurassic Park was originally going to use go motion, and would have been the last or second to last to do so; then Spielberg realized that CGI had developed enough that they revamped their special effects.  So yeah, bad joke.)

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#618256
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Les Miserables
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What version of the play/film have you been watching, Warbler?  TheBoost is exactly right.  It's the song that Susan Boyle sang on UK's Got Talent.  It's numbered among the other songs from the work, such as "Ugly Prostitutes" and "My Husband Has Bad Teeth and Can't Perform, but At Least He Thinks He Runs the Joint While I Really Pull the Strings."

I thought it was really cute when I heard the little girl sing, "There's a Place Where I Don't Have to Do Chores for these Ugly People Anymore."

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#618236
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Les Miserables
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I attended a rather musical two year college and was in their concert and dance choirs as well as the men's quartet for a time (not all three at the same time).  I truly enjoyed it and miss those days.  Man I wish someone would upload one of our songs.  Maybe I'll do it myself one of these days.  Frankly, I was disappointed with our quartet, mostly because our lead would always go flat and bring us down in pitch.  I remember we were going to sing a four part arrangement of "This is the Moment" from Jeckyll and Hyde, but we only performed it twice in small settings rather than in the big concerts because we couldn't keep pitch.  I sang the tenor part and had to hit some wonderfully high notes in falsetto.  I loved it, but I could always hear him dragging us down and therefore my notes weren't quite so high.  I was really disappointed.  But we had some decent pieces.

Sorry to hear about your church choir, Warb.  Always sad when those things dwindle.  Traditional choirs are an amazing thing.