I was going to suggest you go first. Out of curiosity, what are your impressions of the game? What moves were good, not so good, on either part? I like analyzing the games a bit.
We can have simultaneous game running as well, of course. I'll take another game with you. :)
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Good game. I had fun, and I'm glad you were having fun too. That was pretty cool. Since I have had a hard time keeping up with the pictures, I'll try to recreate the game soon with more pictures for Twister and anyone else who is interested.
Wanna play again? Or does anyone else want to try the game? You don't have to face me. You could go against Ric or someone else.
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You know, sometimes I can't help but feel that you look for opportunities and excuses to get offended. And sometimes your determination to do so interferes with any further reasoning. I've pointed out several reasons for not interpreting things in the light you are, and you still strive to find some other little thing to justify remaining annoyed. I don't say this to be rude, and I'm not feeling defensive or sensitive right now, but sometimes I just am at a loss at how to get you to even address some things. I know you're willing to drop it, but I pointed out there are men in the auxiliary organizations, that it has nothing to do with inferiority of the person, but of the non-priesthood nature of the organization they are supporting. I explained the reasons why priesthood is difficult to interpret as a power-grabbing/clinging opportunity, etc. And that's fine that you called the article a puff piece because I know that's exactly what it is. It's not empirical, it's anecdotal, a woman sharing her opinion of why she doesn't feel any less than her husband even though her husband was the most prominent figure in our church. It's this sort of personal story/emotional reasoning that usually resonates with politically correct folks, but not when it counters their perspective I guess.
Forgive me. I feel like the phrasing sounds harsh and antagonistic, but I really am intending it to sound more observational. Sorry.
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Yeah, that happens. And this time I'm afraid it's going to cost you. Sorry.
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I'll tell you what, it's a lot harder for me to keep track of what potential threats I'm facing in shogi. Drops add so much, so until something drops, I often don't even realize that certain pieces are in danger.
Well, it pleases me to know that you're looking. If no one even checked, I wouldn't bother with pictures. I'll try to post them more frequently in the future. :)
Good :) I'm so glad to hear that. That's cool that your dad owns a set. I don't even own a real one. I had to make a cheesy set on my own in order to play.
I should also say that you are not a bad shogi player. At least, you're not much worse than I am. I'm not particularly good either, but I've got a little more experience behind me. But often you detected my plans and prevented them before I could even try to pull them off. You've done quite well from my point of view :)
Too bad I forgot to mention that I wanted to promote my rook after that last move. Oh well. I'll have to do it next opportunity.
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Time for pictures:
Just so others know what's going on, I gained Ric's bishop earlier, then traded it for his rook. I then dropped his rook in the back ranks, which has allowed me to really infiltrate his position and take more pieces, which then become part of my arsenal.
Out of curiosity for the rest of the folks here, does anyone else check this thread? Is anyone else even interested in this game? Or are my pictures unnecessary?
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Out of curiosity, are you enjoying this game? Is it fun? Would you teach it to someone else or ever even play it again? Go ahead and be honest.
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I think the following thread sort of supplanted this one, but it doesn't really matter. Whatever you prefer.
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-OTcom-J-R-R-Tolkien-Middle-Earth-Discussion-Thread/topic/15054/
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TV's Frink said:
darth_ender said:
TV's Frink said:
Are any of the top leadership women?
Yes.
https://www.lds.org/church/leaders/general-auxiliaries?lang=eng
Though admittedly, they are outnumbered greatly.
If they are part of the top leadership...why aren't they on the same page? Why are they "Auxiliaries" and not "Authorities"?
The definitions of these two words sets the women up as inferior in the organizational structure.
How carefully did you look at that page. There are men in the Auxiliary leadership as well. The reason why they are auxiliaries is because the First Presidency, Apostles, Quorums of 70, and Presiding Bishopric are all priesthood authorities. Women don't hold the priesthood. The auxiliary organizations are not priesthood, and thus the leadership over those aspects are auxiliary leadership. Aren't the women of my church better qualified to determine if they are equal to men than you are? Most feel that they are equal, even if they don't hold the priesthood.
This article might be interesting, about the wife of our previous prophet.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/480033287/Marjorie-Hinckley----Every-bit-his-equal.html?pg=all
On a tangential note, the church formerly known as the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has ordained women to priesthood offices since the 1980s.
Jaitea said:
darth_ender said:
The man essentially said the church doesn't have priestesses because women are too busy with the important job of mother. His wife was the "home manager".
That's his view. The real reason is, well, to put it frinkly, because God said so :P
Now I don't want you to think this is me on my high horse again,......but this type of answer was what I found on the LDS site & the reason why I annoyed you earlier,.....it's the 'don't ask' or 'just because' reasoning.
I have 2 kids, if my son asks me for £10 and I ask him what he wants it for and he answers,...'just' or 'because',..... those aren't proper reasons,.....I'll press him until I find out what it's for, then I'll make a decision whether I give it to him or not.
I hear parents giving reasons to kids why they aren't allowed to do things or have things with, 'because I said so!'....this isn't an answer, it's a don't bother me response....It's better to give a reason why you think that what they want is too expensive or what they want to do is too dangerous etc.
The explanaton why women can't be priests in the Catholic Church has an explanation, which you can reason with, you can question that reason because of the changes in society today,.....but the explanations in the LDS to coffee drinking, women priests etc as 'The Lord says so'......to me......personally......sound half baked.
I have known you and respectected you for a few years _ender, and I know you are a wise and intelligent guy, but what harm would it do if you question.
In the Protestant Church I remember that the Lord encourages people to question, not just to follow.
Again, I'm trying not to push too much, just for you to take a step backwards to look at it from my perspective, I know you love your faith
J
Trying to respond to those threads I was unable to address before.
In my church is probably among the most exploratory of faiths. Many leaders have spoken of evolution as an outright lie, yet at the LDS Church-owned Brigham Young University, evolution is taught in biology classes and other leaders have endorsed the theory. We have many who are very involved in science, politics, etc. We are a well educated people, and we really are involved in research in many different fields. I believe that we are far more prone to questioning and seeking our own answers than most Protestants.
I will also say that I've questioned many things many times in the past two decades. I am a person of both skepticism and faith, which probably sounds like an oxymoron. I have found a point where I can exercise both natures to the degree I feel comfortable with. But let me phrase it this way: believing in God requires faith. If I understand the reasoning for every little thing, where is the faith? If I only believe what I understand, or obey what I can justify, where is the faith? Let's look at other aspects of faith. I believe that man Jesus of Nazareth was more than any other man, that he was and is the anointed one, the Messiah of the Jews, the Christ of all mankind! Why? Because...God said so, and I believe that he has confirmed it in my heart. I don't fully understand why God's plan required the sacrifice of a perfect being (yes, I understand the theology behind it, but that doesn't mean I understand everything). Ultimately, I accept what God has said because I have faith. Such is the nature of everything I believe. Women and the priesthood is no different.
As for Catholic reasoning, I will probably need a link to Ric's post, as I began skimming his thread when things got lengthy and I got behind. I may have even skimmed it if it was here. I don't know why Catholics justify all-male priesthood.
Let me turn the tables a bit as well. How often have you questioned what society has deemed acceptable? How often have you dissented from what is commonly believed to be right? Society is no better a determinant of what's right or wrong than anything else. Societies are varied and differ across the globe. Which society do you choose to follow? The one in which you live? In German society in 1942, it was acceptable to turn in your Jewish neighbors and those harboring them. Would you do the same? I imagine not. Now imagine the world in 50 years. What if your ideals remain the same, yet those of ever changing society are different? What if your grandchildren challenged your ideals? Would you change simply because what you hold to be true is different from what the rest of the nation believes?
My point here is that I'm not so sure you really question society either. And when you do, either now or in the future, maybe you're right to be in the minority. To believe that women are not inferior, yet have a different role to play, perhaps even one that is less prominent but no less important, does not necessarily mean that I am wrong. Millions of brainwashed Mormon women ;) are quite content with what they believe God has in mind for them, and don't see it as a sexist policy. Sometimes God has things set up a certain way that we don't understand. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't follow. Understanding often comes later, and we realize that his reasoning was quite sound. That is faith.
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Yep, if it proved my point. And it would have. Aren't I a terrible person?
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