darth_ender

Yes, I am using uTorrent.  But it's what I used in the past as well.  I just tried unzipping everything, and that still didn't provide a solution.  I'll try your solution.

You are welcome to rip the scenes if you like.  I don't mind PAL, as my project will only be accessible on computers and not on DVD players.  It's up to you though.  I feel like a dork for not being able to figure some of these things out.

Just something for ripping.  I've had success with other DVDs with the software I have, but surprisingly I can't seem to get the deleted scenes from Episodes II and III.

That said, I'm still not able to upload my torrent to MySpleen, and I can't figure out why.  I've done everything I thought I was supposed to, and I've successfully uploaded torrents I believe four times before.  So I don't know why I keep getting "Eek! Upload error."  I'll keep trying, but I'm at work right now.  I know those who are interested are probably pretty anxious, and I do apologize.  I'll keep working on it.  Is it possible there is a size limit?  I haven't taken the time to figure that out, and it might just take some simple reading.  I'll take a look later.

EDIT: I meant to add that, if it takes long enough and you guys find good software for me, I'll go ahead and rip the DVDs and use those instead of the YouTube vids for when I finally succeed with this.

EDIT: I think I've figured out the problem: there are a few zipped files in my project.  I see that you are not supposed to have zipped files.  Perhaps MySpleen detects information in the torrent file regarding the zipped files.  I will take care of this ASAP and see if that fixes the problem.

I am glad you are still here, Olde.  I enjoy the style.  I just am obnoxious with my grammar perfectionism, and I'm pretty familiar with the Shakespearean style's grammar as well.  Keep up the fun style.

Yes, definitely.  For now the size is 21.9 GB, though I'm sure I could prune it substantially smaller if I wanted to take the time.  I think I figured out what the problem is, so I'm fixing it now and I will post it very soon.

Good news and bad: the good is that I am at a point where, in spite of my embarrassment over the incomplete nature of this project, I'm ready to upload it anyway.  The bad news is my upload keeps failing.  Not sure what the problem is, but it will have to wait till morning.  I really will get this up if it's the last thing I do.  I hope you all enjoy it.

What would we do without you, neg man?

Well, what do you guys think?  Should I take a little longer and invest in different commercial software, or should I just release the project as is?  I mean, even today there is much more I could do to better organize it.  Most of what I've done for short clips is just use VLC and recorded appropriate clips from the original source.  But now most of them have not been renamed, and this would take a while.  I have so much going on right now, it makes it really difficult.  Honestly, I just want to delete any irrelevant clips (like when I started recording late or ended too soon), make sure I have enough descriptions present, and just be done with this.  If I had more time, I wouldn't mind taking longer on this, but it feels like more of a burden than I'd like.  I really want to share this and forget about it for a while.  Hopefully others can improve upon it and polish the overall project.  If you guys are up for it, that's cool with me.

So here's the deal.  I know I keep making promises that I keep breaking, but I really am going to try extremely hard to get this posted tonight or tomorrow night.  It will be incomplete, as I've said before, but hopefully in a state of presentability at least.  I would recommend and encourage others to contribute and improve upon the collection.  Hopefully one day, working together, a more complete version of this project could be put together.  I only got about halfway on the slideshows, for instance, as that was an extremely time consuming prospect.  But it would be nice for the whole of the films to have such slideshows completed.

I also don't have the best looking versions of certain things.  For instance, I was having trouble ripping my PT bonus DVDs.  Even though I've got decent software, and even though I can rip other portions of the DVDs, I can't seem to rip the deleted scenes themselves.  Therefore I had to resort to lower quality versions from online for most of them.  I lack the technical expertise to rip them more successfully I guess.

I had ultimately planned to find all clips of even the briefest of deleted material, then trim off any unneeded ends from the beginning and end of where I found them, but at this point I don't care.  I'm just sending them as is.

I know there are still a few things I am probably missing.  I am aware of a couple of Ewoks: The Battle for Endor shots that Jambe Davdar resinserted into ROTJ, but in my rush, I dind't catch which they were.  I'm sure there are other things like this, but I hope others will complete even the minutiae, as this is part of the fun, but I'm just about "funned" out on this project.

So again, I will upload this project, hopefully by tomorrow night, with the disclaimer that it is incomplete and the suggestion that others conplete and refine it, and then I will wash my hands of the collection of all this stuff.  Hang in there guys.

Thanks twist.  I hope you'll consider a three player game in the future.  I've been overwhelmingly busy lately, and I just found that my little free time was becoming a drag when looking at the game boards.  I would like to play a three player game with you and Ric in the near future, if you're ever up for it.

While I enjoy the humor, I must resist the temptation to correct all the poor Shakespearean grammar.  I guess it's not too hard since I'm so tied up at the moment, but the desire is strong.

I'll be done at the thirteenth hour of the thirteenth day of the thirteenth month, so keep your shirt on! ;)

Well, I took your advice and am taking a little longer.  I really am trying to be fast.  I probably should stop trying to set timetables, but believe me, I'm trying to get it done while balancing real life.  I spent a lot of my time gathering in the past, and not enough organizing.  It's really surprisingly time consuming, but it's getting there.  I put in several hours yesterday.

As far as size goes, it's pretty large.  I've got a lot to get rid of, but the final product will probably be about 20 gb.

I just might release it all today!  I'm nearly done organizing what I have as much as I care to.  I am a little sad it's in rough shape, but I'd better get it out there or it will never get done.  I figure once it's released, I can allow others to finish the work I started.  You clearly have a passion for this stuff, so perhaps it might be you :)

In any case, I am not sure of one other thing: do I want motion clips of the changes made to the movies?  I have a few clips comparing the differences, and my plan was to include pictures of most changes (which I have already) and clips of the most substantial changes, but the actual clips are not fully collected and may take a little longer.  So in my limited time today, should I begin gather those clips?  Still not sure.

Also, I need a pretty extensive description of what is present and where to find, including thanks to those who helped and suggestions for continuing the work.  So these are the main holdups.  I've worked on it every day for the past several days, so I really am almost there.  Sorry to everyone who has been holding their breath.

Elaine Bradley (drummer for Neon Trees)

As well as the entire band of Neon Trees.

First post updated.

JEDIT: The lead singer, who came out as gay in recent years, still enjoyed being a member of the Church, but struggled with recent changes in policy and has since denounced his faith. To my knowledge, the rest of the band still considers themselves Mormon.

It's Friday night.  I didn't quite make it.  But I really am close, that I promise, and I'm anxious to be done and share all this crap so I don't have to worry about it anymore.  But please don't fret.  I'm so very near done.  Hang in there.

Bingowings said:

darth_ender said:

TheBoost said:

If the issue is "This Christian school has the right to discriminate" then that's a different question. But let's not do some mental hoop jumping to act like it's not discrimination.

 If TheBoost is telling me that I have the right to join the Muslim Brotherhood and that there should be protests if anyone wishes to infringe on that right, then maybe I'm starting to see his point.

In reality, equality is a goal for all, but it is unachievable in practice, especially since the definition of equality in each circumstance will forever be in a state of flux.

Regardless of the laws of the land, my church will never perform homosexual marriages.  We have the right to discriminate, just like we can discriminate against marriage with animals (with definable personalities, at least).  Such is the nature of freedom.  There must also be freedom to discriminate, even when at times others find that discrimination offensive.  If you thought about the many behaviors you don't approve of, or how many outspoken individuals have lost their jobs due to racist comments, you'd realize that you discriminate, with every legal right to do so.

Every man has the right to join the Muslim Brotherhood as long as he is a Muslim. Just as every gay can get married in a Muslim country...to a member of the opposite sex.

As I pointed out, I meant Nation of Islam, an anti-white Muslim organization which would clearly not grant me entrance.  But still, the Muslim Brother would discriminate against me as well, and have the right to do so.  There has to be some permission in discrimination.

"Never" is a bold term to throw around. I venture that some LDS based church will at some point perform a same sex wedding or blessing.  Other Christian churches already do but not all of them obviously, Some synagogues do too and did this before the civil legislation in the UK legitimised those marriages in a legal context.

I don't know of anyone who wants to force a Church to marry them. It's a different kettle of fish when people run a public business and refuse to serve people because they are gay or of a different ethnicity or creed. Nobody is immune for that sort of error.

 I agree.  Except that I highly doubt my Church's position will change.  Indeed, many do, but considering the nature of my Church's doctrines on marriage, I can't see it happening.

TheBoost said:

darth_ender said:

TheBoost said:

If the issue is "This Christian school has the right to discriminate" then that's a different question. But let's not do some mental hoop jumping to act like it's not discrimination.

 If TheBoost is telling me that I have the right to join the Muslim Brotherhood and that there should be protests if anyone wishes to infringe on that right, then maybe I'm starting to see his point.

 

Regardless of the laws of the land, my church will never perform homosexual marriages.  We have the right to discriminate, just like we can discriminate against marriage with animals (with definable personalities, at least).  Such is the nature of freedom. 

 I think we're in agreement here Endy. 

For example. I would never let my son be a Boy Scout, and I tell them to fuck off when I see their organization at the supermarket, but they have the right as a private organization to be prejudiced, discriminatory assholes. 

(I also believe the government is justified in limiting the right to be discriminatory cunts in certain cases, like job hiring, housing, lunch counters, etc).

But the BSA admits "We don't like no queers, and don't want no queers around. Praise Jesus."  They ADMIT they are discriminatory fucks. 

(Although Ender, when finding common ground, it kinda hurts when in one breath you somehow see a parity between gay marriage and marrying animals. Just an FYI)

TheBoost said:

darth_ender said:

TheBoost said:

If the issue is "This Christian school has the right to discriminate" then that's a different question. But let's not do some mental hoop jumping to act like it's not discrimination.

 If TheBoost is telling me that I have the right to join the Muslim Brotherhood and that there should be protests if anyone wishes to infringe on that right, then maybe I'm starting to see his point.

 

Regardless of the laws of the land, my church will never perform homosexual marriages.  We have the right to discriminate, just like we can discriminate against marriage with animals (with definable personalities, at least).  Such is the nature of freedom. 

 I think we're in agreement here Endy. 

For example. I would never let my son be a Boy Scout, and I tell them to fuck off when I see their organization at the supermarket, but they have the right as a private organization to be prejudiced, discriminatory assholes. 

(I also believe the government is justified in limiting the right to be discriminatory cunts in certain cases, like job hiring, housing, lunch counters, etc).

But the BSA admits "We don't like no queers, and don't want no queers around. Praise Jesus."  They ADMIT they are discriminatory fucks. 

(Although Ender, when finding common ground, it kinda hurts when in one breath you somehow see a parity between gay marriage and marrying animals. Just an FYI)

 I think it's important, and not just for you, to see the difference between an analogy and a parity.  There may come a time when people argue for legal human/animal or human/robot marriages.  And I have a feeling that many "progressives" might find a point that is "too far" for them, thus find themselves on the receiving end of the intolerance label.

You have every right to boycott the Boy Scouts.  It sounds to me that your attitude towards them is pretty harsh and that many of them are not exactly as you describe, but rather that they believe something to be wrong and are afraid of the practice spreading among their members.  The legitimacy of that believe can be argued, but I don't think their reasons are simply because they "don't like no queers, and don't want no queers around."  Oh, and an added, "Praise Jesus," so we get the picture that you, the non-stereotyping, progressive, all-accepting, non-discriminatory fellow that you are, are clearly drawing parallels with uneducated Southern Christians.

I don't mean to be harsh or rude, but rather I am pointing out how often the most vocal proponents of equality and non-discrimination can't see their own faults in the matter.  Tone down your rhetoric and your point will be far stronger, less diluted by your own prejudices.  Less is more.

I could say more, but I don't have time.  I'll just clarify that I meant to say Nation of Islam, not Muslim Brotherhood.  The Brotherhood would likely let me in, were I to convert (though since I haven't, they do discriminate against me).  The Nation of Islam would never let me in, as my religion can be changed, but race cannot.

TheBoost said:

If the issue is "This Christian school has the right to discriminate" then that's a different question. But let's not do some mental hoop jumping to act like it's not discrimination.

 If TheBoost is telling me that I have the right to join the Muslim Brotherhood and that there should be protests if anyone wishes to infringe on that right, then maybe I'm starting to see his point.

In reality, equality is a goal for all, but it is unachievable in practice, especially since the definition of equality in each circumstance will forever be in a state of flux.

Regardless of the laws of the land, my church will never perform homosexual marriages.  We have the right to discriminate, just like we can discriminate against marriage with animals (with definable personalities, at least).  Such is the nature of freedom.  There must also be freedom to discriminate, even when at times others find that discrimination offensive.  If you thought about the many behaviors you don't approve of, or how many outspoken individuals have lost their jobs due to racist comments, you'd realize that you discriminate, with every legal right to do so.

Neglify said:

And 7,186 have signed the OT petitiin. :)

 *gasp!*  He can't even spell.  He really is pat man!

Bingowings said:

In the Old Testament both parties were to put to death and the method of choice was stoning. The act had declared those practising it as dead to the nation. So they were given a violent live burial. The same was true with adultery.

I mentioned this in defense of religion. From my perspective the bigotry is in the text because of the bigotry of it's human authors not because of the a divine bigotry or any institution of bigotry from the religions that maintain the text.

Though removing it from the text would be a step in the right direction if a religious organisation wants to distance itself from the acts violence in the text.

i think there is a mix of the standard disgust response when discovering a group of people indulging a form of sensual pleasure that seems alien, coupled with a scripture led tribalism spread by bigoted clerics (of many religions).

The germ of that clerical led bigotry is the oft misquoted Old Testament prohibitions most of the time. Even the Indian Right Wing take the principle from it's colonial history.

Secular bigots draw from a religious cultural history when they make their proclamations of 'tradition' and 'natural law'. Just as secular charities also pool from a long history of religious good works.

 It must be pointed out that any culture is ultimately derived from a religious cultural history, the good and the bad, the religious and irreligious.  There is good is tradition and natural law, and often "progress" goes backwards or leads to instability.

Honestly, censoring the Bible is a disservice as well.  Did you know that psychologists use data from Nazi experiments on Jews in the present day?  What they did was horrible and wrong, unethical, immoral, purely evil.  But there were things learned that could not be learned through any moral experimentation.  What was done was wrong, but at least we can make positive use of such evil.

To censor the Bible would be trying to eliminate legitimate history.  That was really Mosaic Law, not just the whims of some author.  You can't erase history, even if you don't like it.  It would be like censoring the Code of Hammurabi.  The big difference is that the Bible is used at the present day and is treated as a sacred book.  Better would be education and proper commentary, showing how even the Bible no longer endorses such things, giving historical context, enlightening its readers, and trying to remove fundamentalist extremism.

Sometimes friends are worse than enemies, either as Oklahoma politicians or as fellow forum posters.

Out of curiosity, what scenes were lifted from filming for Return of the Jedi rather than being filmed specifically for Battle for Endor?

EDIT: Nevermind.  I forgot it was implemented into Jambe Davdar's Returning to Jedi.

Ah yes, now I remember.  The line of Kellogg's Unicorn Flakes.  Unicorn on the cob.  Unicorn bread (very popular in the South).  Unicornish hen (I always wondered how that was possible).  All were very good.

You're probably right.  Did you know that as unicorns were nearing extinction, one final female was pregnant with twins.  Then she got an abortion.  Now there are no more :(