darklordoftech

imperialscum said: Why prequels? Although not said on screen, Vader and Palpatine were Sith in OT... long before the prequels came out. Then TOTJ made a story where Sith became red skinned aliens. Someone had to connect the dots then. TOR did it pretty well.

TOTJ and KOTOR connected the same dots much better. Both TOTJ and KOTOR explained that the influence of Freedon Nadd, Exar Kun, Revan, etc. caused the Sith to stop being red-skinned aliens.

On another note, when Lucas said that anybody can use The Force in 1981, it was in response to the question of whether or not Palpatine was ever a Jedi. The implication is that Palpatine isn't a Sith.

I wouldn't be surprised if the reason that Lucas replaced Wingreen's voice with Morrison's is so that people would know that AOTC Boba is ESB Boba.

SilverWook said:

I'm sure a fake one will appear before long either way. ;)

 And JJ will be hated for something in the fake script.

One problem I do have with some prequel bashers is that they'll say to stop bashing the prequels if you bash the prequels for a different reason from them. For example, if you talk about how terrible the Padme-Anakin romance is, everyone will love you, but if you talk how terrible it is that Palpatine is a Sith, those same people will tell you to shut up.

To me, TOTJ is the OT and TOR is the PT.

imperialscum said:

darklordoftech said:

imperialscum said: I am not an expert of pre-KOTOR EU but I am pretty sure you are wrong about Sith being biologically pure Sith at the time of Naga Sadow. Sadow was a mix between original Sith and human... as almost all other Sith at that time. I am not sure about this again, but the EU story goes that some exiled Jedi mingled with them thousands of years before. All this was not established in TOR btw. TOR just followed it by simply saying that there were more humans in the Empire (workers, soldiers) than Sith and that the Sith genes were eventually outweighed, therefore majority of imperial look human at that time. So essentially all the imperial humans still have a percentage of Sith genes. What TOR tried to do was connecting all the previously established EU mess to somehow make sense.

The change in the genetic makeup of the Sith had already been explained by Exar Kun and Revan. TOR's Empire just complicates things further.

Well this might sound arrogant but I think SWTOR warped things up the best. I always felt that pre-KOTOR EU was kind of cheesy, especially in a visual sense (kind of referring to the TOTJ). I love how SWTOR used the good stuff from the established material and made it into something very enjoyable, for me of course.

KOTOR != SWTOR. KOTOR dealt with the "cheesiness" of TOTJ. SWTOR made a bunch of unnecessary changes to both TOTJ and KOTOR.

imperialscum said: I am not an expert of pre-KOTOR EU but I am pretty sure you are wrong about Sith being biologically pure Sith at the time of Naga Sadow. Sadow was a mix between original Sith and human... as almost all other Sith at that time. I am not sure about this again, but the EU story goes that some exiled Jedi mingled with them thousands of years before. All this was not established in TOR btw. TOR just followed it by simply saying that there were more humans in the Empire (workers, soldiers) than Sith and that the Sith genes were eventually outweighed, therefore majority of imperial look human at that time. So essentially all the imperial humans still have a percentage of Sith genes. What TOR tried to do was connecting all the previously established EU mess to somehow make sense.

The change in the genetic makeup of the Sith had already been explained by Exar Kun and Revan. TOR's Empire just complicates things further.

imperialscum said:

darklordoftech said:

The TOR Sith, their Emperor, and their Empire. They undermine the movies, TOTJ, and even KOTOR.

 In what way?

The question is for Sith and Empire, not for the Emperor btw.

Disconnects the Mandalorian Wars from the Great Sith War and without them, there couldn't be an Emperor.

The TOR Sith, their Emperor, and their Empire. They undermine the movies, TOTJ, and even KOTOR.

SilverWook said: it could explain away his lame demise in Jedi. ;)

 Han: I thought you fell into the sarlacc.

 Boba: That was an imposter.

a young hopeless situation named West of all Reaches

SilverWook said:

I think it's safe to say we aren't getting a G rated SW film. ;)

Is it out of the realm of possibility Disney might release this under one of their other labels? (Which they have done in the past, with edgier fare like Who Framed Roger Rabbit?)  Or simply have the Lucasfilm logo at the beginning?

The PG-13 Pirates of the Caribbean movies have gone out under the Disney banner though.

 Good question SilverWook. I'm going to have to think about this.

I like that the TOTJ Sith aren't Darths and don't have red lightsabers.

I wonder what the political themes of episodes 7-9 will be.

"the evil Empire of First Choice"

The Luke-Vader-Emperor scenes in ROTJ are truly underrated. Vader's redemption makes me cry every time.

I also don't want to see any implications of a galaxy that's doomed for all time. Let the poor galaxy have some permanent progress.

I might have stuck with two of Brackett's ideas:

1. That Obi-Wan's claims that lightsabers are better than blasters are nonsense. It makes no sense for a sword to be a better weapon than a gun.

2. That Obi-Wan's claim that The Force has a dark side is also a bunch of nonsense. Do we really need an evil cosmic force for people to be evil?

One thing I don't want to see is, "The Force is out of balance again. Put it back into balance."

If the Sith return, it should be in the form of a secret apprentice of Sidious. All the other ways that I've heard scream "TFN".

Ageism is something I don't want to see. Prejudice is a terrible thing, and ageism is a form of prejudice.

Something to remember: If you have all new characters, it's a different intellectual property in all but name.

I believe Sidious and Vader to be the two most powerful Sith of all time. I don't think any other Sith have a chance against them.

edit: double post

imperialscum said:

darklordoftech, I became extremely curious as to why you dislike Sith, red lightsbares and such?

Because they cheapen a lot of the characters and often feel out-of-place. Palaptine shouldn't be the product of an ancient lineage and the idea of two immortal factions who keep on going through the same motions over and over and yet continuing to believe it won't happen again makes no sense. As for red lightsabers, there's a lack of consistency as to when the Sith started using them. Some places imply that Palpatine started it while others have the Sith using red lightsabers thousands of years earlier.

DuracellEnergizer said:

darklordoftech said:

I hate how KOTOR totally misinterpreted TOTJ. This is supposed to be an era before Darths and red lightsabers.

Let's not forget the technology. Ships and weapons and other various pieces of machinery were very crudely shaped, bulky looking, and dingy in TOTJ, yet only a generation or so later in KOTOR, everything's become streamlined and shiny like in the PT.

 Correct.

hairy_hen said:

It does not say he doesn't know what he's talking about.  It says he's trying to impress them with misinformation.  There's a fairly large difference there.

If Han knew what he was talking about, he would have used an accurate measurement, even for a "stupid attempt to impress them with misinformation".