Palpatine telling Vader that he didn't need his saber either of the two times he used it in ROTS.
Speaking of which, Stover and Luceno are the two best things to happen to the prequels.
TheBoost said: The Krath, who weren't Sith.
I think they became Sith when Ulic became Exar's apprentice. The combined forces of Exar and Ulic were called the Brotherhood of the Sith.
TheBoost said:
My most common beef with the Sith is
- I have a philosophy based on evil, selfishness, and breaking rules.
- I place myself under the authority of this philosophy's rules, even to my own detriment.
It just has never worked for me.
The truth is that the Sith as we know them are a retcon to explain Palpatine being 100% selfish and Vader's master at the same time. Early drafts of Star Wars give the Sith a code of honor.
DuracellEnergizer said:
DuracellEnergizer said:
What I liked:
Ewan McGregor
Liam Neeson (for the most part)
Ian McDiarmid (until his transformation scene in ROTS, anyway ...)
John William's score
The idea that the Jedi order isn't an order of perfect, pristine monks but an order of corrupt, dogmatic fools.
Darth Maul
Darth Maul's lightsaber
The duel in TPM (though it does get a bit too flashy after Qui-Gon leaves the fray)
Mace Windu's lightsaber (his purple blade almost makes up for the monotony of the other lightsabers)
That Anakin's lightsaber was blue in his duel with Obi-Wan on Mustafar (this is the only and only thing I expected to see in the prequels that actually came to pass)
Watto
Dexter Jettster (bad CG aside, I like his design and personality)
The aesthetic design of the Kaminoans
The aesthetic design of Padmé's silver starship in TPM (the other ones in the other prequels, not so much)
The aesthetic design of Grevious
That Grevious's sabers are blue and green
That's about it, unfortunately.
Fixed.
truly fixed
DuracellEnergizer said:
^I got that impression myself from the few episodes I watched them in.
It sucks how the Sith have gone from intriguing sorcerers to earth-three Jedi.
Is it just me or are the Nightsisters from TCW in some ways more like the TOTJ Sith than the prequel Sith are?
DuracellEnergizer said: I'm glad this game was cancelled.
Me too.
TheBoost said:
darklordoftech said:
TheBoost said:
darklordoftech said:
TheBoost said:
OK. Without resorting to Wookieepedia, here's my understanding of the huge number of Sith organizations in the EU.
- The Sith Race
- The Sith Empire (The Revan made)
- The Sith Triumvirate (KOTOR 2)
- The Other Older Sith Empire (TOR MMORPG)
- The Brotherhood of Sithness (that Darth Bane killed?)
- Darth Bane's Pair o' Siths, leading to Darth Vader
- Lost Tribe of the Sith
- Jacen Solo aka Darth Caedus... a Sith of one.
- The Krath, who weren't Sith.
- Darth Krayt and the Tattooed Sith of the Future
Am I missing any?
-Naddists
-Exar Kun
I remember Exar Kun's badass coat from the comics.
Who the heck are Naddists?
The Naddists are those who want Freedon Nadd's family to rule Onderon.
It's been a few years, and not resorting to Wookieepedia has become the official unofficial rule of this thread, were they the Krath? With their Sithy-witchcraft? Or am I confusing things?
The Naddists and the Krath were both led by Freedon Nadd's spirit, but otherwise you are confusing things. The Krath lived in the Empress Teta system and used "Sithy witchcraft" while the Naddists lived on Onderon and used an army.
The New Sith Empire (the Sith organization that the TPM novelization says was founded "almost 2000 years ago")
TheBoost said:
darklordoftech said:
TheBoost said:
OK. Without resorting to Wookieepedia, here's my understanding of the huge number of Sith organizations in the EU.
- The Sith Race
- The Sith Empire (The Revan made)
- The Sith Triumvirate (KOTOR 2)
- The Other Older Sith Empire (TOR MMORPG)
- The Brotherhood of Sithness (that Darth Bane killed?)
- Darth Bane's Pair o' Siths, leading to Darth Vader
- Lost Tribe of the Sith
- Jacen Solo aka Darth Caedus... a Sith of one.
- The Krath, who weren't Sith.
- Darth Krayt and the Tattooed Sith of the Future
Am I missing any?
-Naddists
-Exar Kun
I remember Exar Kun's badass coat from the comics.
Who the heck are Naddists?
The Naddists are those who want Freedon Nadd's family to rule Onderon.
RicOlie_2 said: And what relevance did your comment have to J. J. Abrams directing Episode VII?
It's the director's job to put things in a movie.
TheBoost said:
OK. Without resorting to Wookieepedia, here's my understanding of the huge number of Sith organizations in the EU.
- The Sith Race
- The Sith Empire (The Revan made)
- The Sith Triumvirate (KOTOR 2)
- The Other Older Sith Empire (TOR MMORPG)
- The Brotherhood of Sithness (that Darth Bane killed?)
- Darth Bane's Pair o' Siths, leading to Darth Vader
- Lost Tribe of the Sith
- Jacen Solo aka Darth Caedus... a Sith of one.
- The Krath, who weren't Sith.
- Darth Krayt and the Tattooed Sith of the Future
Am I missing any?
-Naddists
-Exar Kun
TV's Frink said:
The title of this thread has no question in it.
The title of the thread is a topic. Posting a topic is saying, "If you have any thoughts on this topic, post them here."
TV's Frink said: The answer to a question no one asked.
The title of the thread is asking exactly that question.
The Karpyshan novels mischaracterized Bane and misunderstood his backstory and the logic behind the Rule of Two.
- Darths before Bane and after Vader (and yes, I know that the prequels are at fault for Darths other than Vader).
- How Karpyshan totally ruined Bane.
Show the bad guys being bad. Don't just label one side "good" and the other "evil".
DuracellEnergizer said:
I brought this topic up on TFN once, and largely to make an argument that such a small number of Jedi couldn't possibly have contributed much to the Clone Wars, and pretty much got silly replies that went along the lines of "The Jedi have Force powers, so thats makes them able to perform feats regular people can't".
I guess in their minds, each Jedi is as powerful as the Silver Age Superman. How they square this with the Jedi's pathetic demise at the hands of mundane clone troopers I'll never know (Maybe their blasters were powered by "Sithite". *rollseyes*).
I too have observed TFN's hard-on for Force-users. They think being a Force-user makes you a god. I'd like them to explain the fact that Jango had no problem dueling Obi-Wan.
hairy_hen said:
Nobody 'forgot' about the Force. As presented in the original film, it is clear we are supposed to think that it was never widely known in the first place, and that the people who have heard of it probably always thought it was mythical rubbish anyway.
Exactly my point.
DuracellEnergizer said:
At any rate, I think everyone here can agree that the portrayal of the Jedi as big, huge, prominent superheroes was a huge mistake.
This is true as well.
edit: whatever
Tobar said:
HAN: Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good
blaster at your side, kid.
LUKE: You don't believe in the Force, do you?
HAN: Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other. I've
seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen anything to make me
believe there's one all-powerful force controlling everything. There's
no mystical energy field that controls my destiny.
Ben smiles quietly
HAN: It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.
I don't see anything about Imperial revisionism there.
imperialscum said:
darklordoftech said:
The Empire convincing people to forget about The Force. 20 years won't make people forget!
It is the PT fault because it portrayed the force ability as something widely known and attached a "movie star" like status to Jedi.
True, but two wrongs don't make a right.
The Empire convincing people to forget about The Force. 20 years won't make people forget!
DuracellEnergizer said:
As all of the post-Great Sith War wars dealing with the Sith are virtually indistinguishable from one another, they all could have been set during the New Sith Wars.
Exactly.
KOTOR II. The protagonist seems to be some sort of Chosen One and KOTOR II introduced the "true Sith" nonsense (have mercy on me, Imperialscum) and lots of nonsensical philosophy.
I also hate KOTOR's timeline placement. If you're don't want to connect to TOTJ, don't set the story near TOTJ. KOTOR could have been set during the New Sith Wars.