darklordoftech

Freedon Nadd. Created a Sith dynasty.

Forgetting the mythology. The dark side is evil, not something that should be balanced with the light side.

I'm hope that Luke ditches the marriage rule and the intertwinement with the Republic. In fact, how about all the Jedi being independent instead of there being a Jedi Order?

DuracellEnergizer said:

pablumatic said:

The sequels need to bring back the tension of the originals, but I don't exactly know how they'll do that given that the antagonists were soundly defeated in Return of the Jedi.

That's only true for the SE. The theatrical version leaves it up to the individual to decide for him/herself if the entire Empire was defeated in the Battle of Endor if it merely was the battle that spelled the beginning of the end for the Empire.

It's been confirmed that as far as the state of the Empire is concerned, what we saw in 1997 was always the intent (even if intent isn't canon). Of course, they could change their mind, but I don't find that very likely.

Anyway, something that went wrong is that lightsaber duels became all about "epicness" wih no emotion and disconnected characters.

corellian77 said:

Huh... I wonder where IGN got that screen grab from.  It's certainly not from any official source (BD, GOUT), is it?

It's not a screenshot of any VHS, DVD, or Blu-Ray, but it is a picture that I've seen in many places.

Palpatine telling Vader that he didn't need his saber either of the two times he used it in ROTS.

Speaking of which, Stover and Luceno are the two best things to happen to the prequels.

TheBoost said: The Krath, who weren't Sith.

I think they became Sith when Ulic became Exar's apprentice. The combined forces of Exar and Ulic were called the Brotherhood of the Sith.

TheBoost said:

My most common beef with the Sith is

• I have a philosophy based on evil, selfishness, and breaking rules.
• I place myself under the authority of this philosophy's rules, even to my own detriment.

It just has never worked for me. 

The truth is that the Sith as we know them are a retcon to explain Palpatine being 100% selfish and Vader's master at the same time. Early drafts of Star Wars give the Sith a code of honor.

DuracellEnergizer said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

What I liked:

 

Ewan McGregor

Liam Neeson (for the most part)

Ian McDiarmid (until his transformation scene in ROTS, anyway ...)

John William's score

The idea that the Jedi order isn't an order of perfect, pristine monks but an order of corrupt, dogmatic fools.

Darth Maul

Darth Maul's lightsaber

The duel in TPM (though it does get a bit too flashy after Qui-Gon leaves the fray)

Mace Windu's lightsaber (his purple blade almost makes up for the monotony of the other lightsabers)

That Anakin's lightsaber was blue in his duel with Obi-Wan on Mustafar (this is the only and only thing I expected to see in the prequels that actually came to pass)

Watto

Dexter Jettster (bad CG aside, I like his design and personality)

The aesthetic design of the Kaminoans

The aesthetic design of Padmé's silver starship in TPM (the other ones in the other prequels, not so much)

The aesthetic design of Grevious

That Grevious's sabers are blue and green

 

That's about it, unfortunately.

Fixed.

 truly fixed

DuracellEnergizer said:

^I got that impression myself from the few episodes I watched them in.

It sucks how the Sith have gone from intriguing sorcerers to earth-three Jedi.

Is it just me or are the Nightsisters from TCW in some ways more like the TOTJ Sith than the prequel Sith are?

DuracellEnergizer said: I'm glad this game was cancelled.

Me too.

TheBoost said:

darklordoftech said:

TheBoost said:

darklordoftech said:

TheBoost said:

OK. Without resorting to Wookieepedia, here's my understanding of the huge number of Sith organizations in the EU. 

• The Sith Race
• The Sith Empire (The Revan made)
• The Sith Triumvirate (KOTOR 2)
• The Other Older Sith Empire (TOR MMORPG) 
• The Brotherhood of Sithness (that Darth Bane killed?) 
• Darth Bane's Pair o' Siths, leading to Darth Vader
• Lost Tribe of the Sith
• Jacen Solo aka Darth Caedus... a Sith of one.
• The Krath, who weren't Sith.
• Darth Krayt and the Tattooed Sith of the Future

Am I missing any?

-Naddists

-Exar Kun

 I remember Exar Kun's badass coat from the comics.

Who the heck are Naddists? 

The Naddists are those who want Freedon Nadd's family to rule Onderon.

 It's been a few years, and not resorting to Wookieepedia has become the official unofficial rule of this thread, were they the Krath? With their Sithy-witchcraft? Or am I confusing things? 

The Naddists and the Krath were both led by Freedon Nadd's spirit, but otherwise you are confusing things. The Krath lived in the Empress Teta system and used "Sithy witchcraft" while the Naddists lived on Onderon and used an army.

The New Sith Empire (the Sith organization that the TPM novelization says was founded "almost 2000 years ago")

TheBoost said:

darklordoftech said:

TheBoost said:

OK. Without resorting to Wookieepedia, here's my understanding of the huge number of Sith organizations in the EU. 

• The Sith Race
• The Sith Empire (The Revan made)
• The Sith Triumvirate (KOTOR 2)
• The Other Older Sith Empire (TOR MMORPG) 
• The Brotherhood of Sithness (that Darth Bane killed?) 
• Darth Bane's Pair o' Siths, leading to Darth Vader
• Lost Tribe of the Sith
• Jacen Solo aka Darth Caedus... a Sith of one.
• The Krath, who weren't Sith.
• Darth Krayt and the Tattooed Sith of the Future

Am I missing any?

-Naddists

-Exar Kun

 I remember Exar Kun's badass coat from the comics.

Who the heck are Naddists? 

The Naddists are those who want Freedon Nadd's family to rule Onderon.

RicOlie_2 said: And what relevance did your comment have to J. J. Abrams directing Episode VII?

It's the director's job to put things in a movie.

TheBoost said:

OK. Without resorting to Wookieepedia, here's my understanding of the huge number of Sith organizations in the EU. 

• The Sith Race
• The Sith Empire (The Revan made)
• The Sith Triumvirate (KOTOR 2)
• The Other Older Sith Empire (TOR MMORPG) 
• The Brotherhood of Sithness (that Darth Bane killed?) 
• Darth Bane's Pair o' Siths, leading to Darth Vader
• Lost Tribe of the Sith
• Jacen Solo aka Darth Caedus... a Sith of one.
• The Krath, who weren't Sith.
• Darth Krayt and the Tattooed Sith of the Future

Am I missing any?

-Naddists

-Exar Kun

TV's Frink said:

The title of this thread has no question in it.

The title of the thread is a topic. Posting a topic is saying, "If you have any thoughts on this topic, post them here."

TV's Frink said: The answer to a question no one asked.

The title of the thread is asking exactly that question.

The Karpyshan novels mischaracterized Bane and misunderstood his backstory and the logic behind the Rule of Two.

- Darths before Bane and after Vader (and yes, I know that the prequels are at fault for Darths other than Vader).

- How Karpyshan totally ruined Bane.

Show the bad guys being bad. Don't just label one side "good" and the other "evil".

DuracellEnergizer said:

I brought this topic up on TFN once, and largely to make an argument that such a small number of Jedi couldn't possibly have contributed much to the Clone Wars, and pretty much got silly replies that went along the lines of "The Jedi have Force powers, so thats makes them able to perform feats regular people can't".

I guess in their minds, each Jedi is as powerful as the Silver Age Superman. How they square this with the Jedi's pathetic demise at the hands of mundane clone troopers I'll never know (Maybe their blasters were powered by "Sithite". *rollseyes*).

I too have observed TFN's hard-on for Force-users. They think being a Force-user makes you a god. I'd like them to explain the fact that Jango had no problem dueling Obi-Wan. 

hairy_hen said:

Nobody 'forgot' about the Force.  As presented in the original film, it is clear we are supposed to think that it was never widely known in the first place, and that the people who have heard of it probably always thought it was mythical rubbish anyway.

Exactly my point.

DuracellEnergizer said:

At any rate, I think everyone here can agree that the portrayal of the Jedi as big, huge, prominent superheroes was a huge mistake.

This is true as well.

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