darklordoftech

Easterhay said:

What?

By striking down Vader in anger, you're saying that those means would achieve the end of the Emperor and his empire. And I'm saying you're wrong, based on... well, take your pick, really, from various lines of dialogue throughout the films about striking out in anger and using your powers for attack, not knowledge or defence.

Those means could fail to bring down Palpatine and the Empire, but neither would those means lead to Luke joining Palpatine. 

Easterhay said:

That act alone, striking down Vader, would be an act of darkness. In such a case the end does not justify the means.

 But neither the end nor the means involved joining Palpatine. 

Easterhay said: So, if you hate that concept, chances are it's because you don't understand it, maybe?

What I don't understand is how in the world striking down Vader with all of your hatred = joining Palpatine. If anything, Luke would be striking down Vader in order to bring the Empire and the Sith down.

Bingowings said:

Sate Pestage is a really dumb name, I know it's a ROTJ concept but it sounds like those really dumb EU Sith names.

In that case, they could change his name.

I love how TOTJesque the final episode of TCW ("Sacrifice") is. Sith illusions and spells, Sidious speaking the Sith language that Exar Kun spoke, etc.

Am I the only one who hates how everyone who turns to the dark side joins the Sith? It makes absolutely no sense to me. You don't switch sides upon becoming a bad person.

DuracellEnergizer said:

How about Max von Sydow as a character worthy of his talents that doesn't suck? An anti-Dooku, if you will.

Sate Pestage would be such a character. Plagueis wouldn't be.

The Senate Guards and Republic Star Destroyers.

SilverWook said:

Wouldn't that contradict Heir to the Empire though? Can't have it both ways. ;)

It was just one user who really hates anybody who's not a Jedi or a Sith. The other TFN users set him straight.

Somebody on TFN actually claims that every single Star Destroyer that exists was at Endor because Palpatine said "the fleet". 

Anyway, how about Max Von Sydow as Sate Pestage?

darklighter said:

KilroyMcFadden said:

Did I already say, "Anything but Sith" yet?

 Yin Jedi and Yang Sith, they were once friends but are now mortal enemies.

There is absolutely nothing to suggest that.

Jedi stupidity. Thinking the Sith are extinct when the Sith have faked extinction before is absolutely nonsensical.

I have to say that Metroid intrigues me with its mysterious characters. One wonders about the origin of Ridley, Kraid, the Space Pirates, and Mother Brain.

That TCW made the Fetts non-Mandos and gave characters new fates. The EU deserves it.

We've discussed who the head villain will be, but there's also the issue of who/what the army will be. In the prequels we have Trade Federation/Separatist battle droids and (after Order 66) the Republic clone army and in the OOT we have Stormtroopers. What will we have in the ST?

imperialscum said: Destroying planets like it was something casual is not cool... it is lame.

I meant destroyed naturally, not by a superweapon.

That TPM didn't have a galaxy-wide war.

SilverWook said:

Endor can be seen in the sky in both Ewok movies, which were originally intended to be set after ROTJ though.

I was counting the Ewok movies as EU.

Hate is probably a strong word for this, but I dislike that the planet Endor exists as of ROTJ in the EU. The novelization's statement that the planet Endor had been destroyed at some point long before ROTJ is far cooler in my opinion.

I hate how the fans are convinced that the Thrawn trilogy's take on what became of the Empire after ROTJ is the only logical one and the double standards that these fans will use to support their position. There's so many other possibilities as to what a Palpatine-free Empire would be like. 

DuracellEnergizer said:

It would serve as a more plausible explanation for the Empire falling within a day.

Exactly. The Imperial Palace could take the place of the second Death Star.

Battle of Coruscant instead of Battle of Endor. That way we would see the Empire's death.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Fang Zei said:

You gotta wonder if there's gonna be a huge backlash to all of this. As noted earlier in the thread, a lot of fans on fb, tfn and elsewhere are pretty pissed about this already. I can't say I blame them.

Where was this backlash when Lucas blatantly contradicted the EU with the PT? Why does Abrams and the ST receive so much scorn when Lucas gets off scot-free without so much as a slap on the wrist?

These fans are all double-standardizing, cognitive dissonant @$$#%!&$, and they deserve to have their insular bubble burst.

Exactly, Duracell. This is exactly how I feel. 

https://mobile.twitter.com/DelReyStarWars/status/461541040273764352

The novelizations are canon.

How the Empire's past as the Republic is ignored. For over a thousand generations it was a peaceful democracy with Jedi as its guardians yet now it's doomed to be a Sith-aligned fascist dictatorship for all time?