darklordoftech

Rogue Squadron

What doesn't make sense to me about the Sith is that the master indoctrinates the apprentice in an ideology that makes them want to kill the master and teaches the apprentice the skills that they need to kill the master. Being a Sith master is suicide.

TV's Frink said:

No but seriously - what you like about the Prequels.

No but seriously - let's not force people to stay on topic.

I'm creating this thread to discuss Star Wars video games as video games rather than as parts of the EU. Feel free to post any thuoghts, experiences, ideas, etc. about Star Wars video games.

To start things off, my favorite Star Wars video games are the Rogue Squadron games. I love playing through the battles of the movies and flying X-Wings is fun. I'd love an Imperial Squadron game.

Burdokva said:

Also, a dictator isn't an evil space wizard. They should have sensed the Force being strong(ly evil) with him. ;)

All they had to do is have Palpatine say "I masked my presence" or "I didn't use The Force when the Jedi were present" to Anakin.

Interestingly,the Jedi not sensing anything about Palpatine was one of the justifications for the Palpatine is a clone of Sidious theory. 

There is one thing that I'll never understand: the idea that the Jedi were stupid for not realizing the truth about Palpatine earlier. Just because someone wants to be a dictator doesn't mean that they're behind everything that they're using as an excuse to increase their power. 

JediZombie said:

darklordoftech said:

TheBoost said:

darklordoftech said:

Darth Bane concept art for The Clone Wars:

http://starwars.com/img/explore/the-clone-wars/slideshow/ep613/conceptart/darth-bane-clone-wars-613.jpg

 Kinda neat, but why doesn't it line up with the other images/toys/covers we've seen of him? 

I wouldn't have cared, but wouldn't a lot of people complain at great length if that had happened?

I guess GL thought the orbalisks looked silly.

 GL made Jar Jar. He forfeited his right to judge what is silly or not.

GL's opinions aside, do you think that EU Bane looked silly?

JediZombie said:

midi-chlorians are horrid

I would say that midichlorians are the worst aspect of the prequels because they change the rules of the Star Wars galaxy. "Do you want to learn how to use The Force?" is replaced with "Are you Force-sensitive?"

JediZombie said:

darklordoftech said:

JediZombie said:

darklordoftech said:

Harmy said:

darklordoftech said:

JediZombie said:

darklordoftech said:

ratpack1961 said:

You can make a good Star Wars story without Vader (KOTR)

How is KOTOR a Star Wars story? Not a single character from any the movies appears and the story doesn't affect the movies in any way.

 Star Wars has become bigger than the original characters for a lot of people. For me, Star Wars is any story that takes place in the GFFA. The original Saga about Vader and Luke will always be the best, but it doesn't have to be the only one. It's a giant universe with endless stories to tell. Why shrink it down to just this one?

That's like calling a Thor movie "Iron Man" because it's set in the Marvel universe.

Not really, none of the Star Wars movies actually had the names Darth Vader or Luke Skywalker in the title. It's like calling a Thor movie a "Marvel Universe" movie.

"Marvel universe" in the title of each of the movies would be... interesting.

Anyway, making "Star Wars" the name of the setting instead of the name of the story is a dangerous precedent. The EU had a good time beating up movie characters and shoehorned Jedi and Sith into each and every place in the name of it "not being Star Wars without Jedi and Sith".

 Where does it say that Star Wars must have Jedi/Sith? A story about a lone smuggler on the run would make it Star Wars as long as it took place in the GFFA. The only requirement to be Star Wars is it must take place in the GFFA. Who the story focuses on is irrelevant. 

I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about certain EU authors and fanboys.

 I see. I do agree that the EU is over saturated with force users. It's just like fantasy authors thinking that every fantasy needs a wizard or an elf. 

Exactly.

JediZombie said:

darklordoftech said:

Harmy said:

darklordoftech said:

JediZombie said:

darklordoftech said:

ratpack1961 said:

You can make a good Star Wars story without Vader (KOTR)

How is KOTOR a Star Wars story? Not a single character from any the movies appears and the story doesn't affect the movies in any way.

 Star Wars has become bigger than the original characters for a lot of people. For me, Star Wars is any story that takes place in the GFFA. The original Saga about Vader and Luke will always be the best, but it doesn't have to be the only one. It's a giant universe with endless stories to tell. Why shrink it down to just this one?

That's like calling a Thor movie "Iron Man" because it's set in the Marvel universe.

Not really, none of the Star Wars movies actually had the names Darth Vader or Luke Skywalker in the title. It's like calling a Thor movie a "Marvel Universe" movie.

"Marvel universe" in the title of each of the movies would be... interesting.

Anyway, making "Star Wars" the name of the setting instead of the name of the story is a dangerous precedent. The EU had a good time beating up movie characters and shoehorned Jedi and Sith into each and every place in the name of it "not being Star Wars without Jedi and Sith".

 Where does it say that Star Wars must have Jedi/Sith? A story about a lone smuggler on the run would make it Star Wars as long as it took place in the GFFA. The only requirement to be Star Wars is it must take place in the GFFA. Who the story focuses on is irrelevant. 

I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about certain EU authors and fanboys.

eiyosus said:

Oh god.  Make it stop.

What needs to stop is zealous KOTOR fanboys who think that Jedi + Sith = Star Wars.

timdiggerm said:

darklordoftech said:

Harmy said:

darklordoftech said:

JediZombie said:

darklordoftech said:

ratpack1961 said:

You can make a good Star Wars story without Vader (KOTR)

How is KOTOR a Star Wars story? Not a single character from any the movies appears and the story doesn't affect the movies in any way.

 Star Wars has become bigger than the original characters for a lot of people. For me, Star Wars is any story that takes place in the GFFA. The original Saga about Vader and Luke will always be the best, but it doesn't have to be the only one. It's a giant universe with endless stories to tell. Why shrink it down to just this one?

That's like calling a Thor movie "Iron Man" because it's set in the Marvel universe.

Not really, none of the Star Wars movies actually had the names Darth Vader or Luke Skywalker in the title. It's like calling a Thor movie a "Marvel Universe" movie.

"Marvel universe" in the title of each of the movies would be... interesting.

Anyway, making "Star Wars" the name of the setting instead of the name of the story is a dangerous precedent. The EU had a good time beating up movie characters and shoehorned Jedi and Sith into each and every place in the name of it "not being Star Wars without Jedi and Sith".

 But the setting doesn't have to include Jedi and/or Sith in every story?

What are you saying?

Harmy said:

darklordoftech said:

JediZombie said:

darklordoftech said:

ratpack1961 said:

You can make a good Star Wars story without Vader (KOTR)

How is KOTOR a Star Wars story? Not a single character from any the movies appears and the story doesn't affect the movies in any way.

 Star Wars has become bigger than the original characters for a lot of people. For me, Star Wars is any story that takes place in the GFFA. The original Saga about Vader and Luke will always be the best, but it doesn't have to be the only one. It's a giant universe with endless stories to tell. Why shrink it down to just this one?

That's like calling a Thor movie "Iron Man" because it's set in the Marvel universe.

Not really, none of the Star Wars movies actually had the names Darth Vader or Luke Skywalker in the title. It's like calling a Thor movie a "Marvel Universe" movie.

"Marvel universe" in the title of each of the movies would be... interesting.

Anyway, making "Star Wars" the name of the setting instead of the name of the story is a dangerous precedent. The EU had a good time beating up movie characters and shoehorned Jedi and Sith into each and every place in the name of it "not being Star Wars without Jedi and Sith".

I hate the Empire isn't evil and Sith aren't evil movements. How is it not evil to create a war so that you'll be given power in the name of peace, blow up inhabited planets, etc.?

Giving Yoda and Palpatine lightsabers and giving Dooku Force Lightning were major no-nos. Yoda and Palpatine shouldn't need lightsabers and Dooku using Force Lightning makes Palpatine's use of it less impressive.

Here's some of the reasons that I hate the Sith:

- makes Palpatine somebody who does bad things "because he's a Sith" instead of somebody who does things because of his own ambitions

- Takes away Palpatine's uniqueness

- An organization devoted to being selfish makes no sense. 

- the EU acts like they're neccesary for the universe to exist. The idea that anything is neccesary for the universe to exist is beyond absurd.

I wonder if Rebels indicates a move away from Sith.

timdiggerm said:

ratpack1961 said:

If ep.7 goes in an entirely new direction then any hopes that there is a coherent story going on is thrown out the window and its just random episodes where stuff happens like some comic book series.

 Yeah, if the Sequel Trilogy was totally unconnected from the OT, you'd be right. But if the ST is about the children of OT characters (Leia's kids, for example) and what they do with the galaxy their parents and grandparents formed, how they handle having Force-abilities, etc, then it's both totally connected and not about Vader.

I agree with this. 

JediZombie said:

darklordoftech said:

ratpack1961 said:

You can make a good Star Wars story without Vader (KOTR)

How is KOTOR a Star Wars story? Not a single character from any the movies appears and the story doesn't affect the movies in any way.

 Star Wars has become bigger than the original characters for a lot of people. For me, Star Wars is any story that takes place in the GFFA. The original Saga about Vader and Luke will always be the best, but it doesn't have to be the only one. It's a giant universe with endless stories to tell. Why shrink it down to just this one?

That's like calling a Thor movie "Iron Man" because it's set in the Marvel universe.

I'm looking forward to the Tarkin novel. Tarkin was strangely missing from the prequels.

To add to my earlier posts, what really drives me crazy is the fans who think that it isn't Star Wars without Sith. I can garantee you that Star Wars would have been just as popular if Vader wasn't part of an organization called the Sith.

http://boards.theforce.net/threads/vader-ish-person-spotted-at-pinewood.50022025/

Most hilarious thread title of all time.

TV's Frink said:

darklordoftech said:

unamochilla2 said:

Abrams wanted them have to larger roles, so their roles were expanded

In that case, thank you Abrams! Star Wars is Luke and Vader, not these random "new" characters who episodes 7-9 plan to introduce.

 But you haven't even met them yet.  After Ep 4, you could have said SW is Luke and Vader, not random characters like Yoda or Lando who Ep 5 plans to introduce.

I'll give you that (assuming that it's not at the expense of the OOT characters).

Tyrphanax said:

darklordoftech said:

Tyrphanax said:

ratpack1961 said:

The question of "Is it Star Wars without Darth Vader or Luke" is a great one when it comes to the Episodic movies.  The first six movies have in some way been about Vader.  That may be Lucas retconning (it was always about Vader) but the truth is the Skywalker and Vader characters have always been a part of those movies.

If we watch all six films together, it sort of makes sense that its the rise and fall of Darth Vader because that's how Lucas structured them in the end.  The OT by itself is about Luke and Vader with the others as side characters.  With ep. 7, where does the series go?  Isn't the main character (according to Lucas) now gone?  Why even have an ep. 7 if the story is done? Both of the main bad guys are done.  If you're supposed to watch all the episodes together, won't 7-9 seemed tacked on without one of the villains from ep. 1-6 showing up?

The one thing I think that's missing from Ep. 1 is Vader.  I like that film but there is a definite absence there that I think caused people to not think of it as a Star Wars film and I don't think it has to do with Han or Luke missing either.  In ep. 2 Vader starts to show up in subtle ways and then in ep. 3 makes his full appearance.  I believe the reason people liked ep. 3 the most out of the prequels (meaning casual audiences) is because of Vader.  He's that huge of a character.  Think of it this way.  You can make a good Star Wars story without Vader (KOTR, some EU) but they will always pale to the ones that have Vader in them since he is so crucial to Star Wars itself.

And with this post, the thread goes full TFN.

What do you mean?

I mean that, come on, are people on on OT.com really considering the infamous TFN stance that without some Darth Vader connection, Star Wars isn't Star Wars? That just because the new trilogy may not fit with Lucas' "Tragedy of Darth Vader" retcon, it's not worthwhile?

Maybe the new film is about trying to live with the shadow of Vader's legacy hanging over them. Maybe Luke is a hermit now, ostracized because of his connection to Vader and the thought that if Jedi can go bad and do what Vader did, the galaxy would be better off without them.

darklordoftech said:

Correct, plus nobody besides hardcore fans knows or cares about characters like Boba and Revan.

At least the former is untrue. I would argue that Boba Fett has become almost as recognizable and popular as Darth Vader is, to the detriment of his character.

Aside from that, I know plenty of Star Wars fans who I wouldn't classify as "hardcore" who know plenty about Boba and Revan.

I agree with you that Star Wars is as much about Luke as it is about Vader, but nobody in my entire family has a clue who Boba is.

I also hate how KOTOR gets praised for bad things. For example, armies of lightsaber-users. Lightsabers work best when they're rare.