darklordoftech

AntcuFaalb said:

JediZombie said:

It's a giant universe with endless stories to tell. Why shrink it down to just this one?

Because many of the "endless stories" that have already been told (e.g., EU, PT, and TCW) aren't as appealing as the one (OT).

The PT isn't a "hero's journey", doesn't feel like "the old west in space", and lacks the "used universe" aesthetic. I gather that most OT fans expect one or all of these qualities when looking for more Star Wars. I know I do.

Correct, plus nobody besides hardcore fans knows or cares about characters like Boba and Revan.

Tyrphanax said:

ratpack1961 said:

The question of "Is it Star Wars without Darth Vader or Luke" is a great one when it comes to the Episodic movies.  The first six movies have in some way been about Vader.  That may be Lucas retconning (it was always about Vader) but the truth is the Skywalker and Vader characters have always been a part of those movies.

If we watch all six films together, it sort of makes sense that its the rise and fall of Darth Vader because that's how Lucas structured them in the end.  The OT by itself is about Luke and Vader with the others as side characters.  With ep. 7, where does the series go?  Isn't the main character (according to Lucas) now gone?  Why even have an ep. 7 if the story is done? Both of the main bad guys are done.  If you're supposed to watch all the episodes together, won't 7-9 seemed tacked on without one of the villains from ep. 1-6 showing up?

The one thing I think that's missing from Ep. 1 is Vader.  I like that film but there is a definite absence there that I think caused people to not think of it as a Star Wars film and I don't think it has to do with Han or Luke missing either.  In ep. 2 Vader starts to show up in subtle ways and then in ep. 3 makes his full appearance.  I believe the reason people liked ep. 3 the most out of the prequels (meaning casual audiences) is because of Vader.  He's that huge of a character.  Think of it this way.  You can make a good Star Wars story without Vader (KOTR, some EU) but they will always pale to the ones that have Vader in them since he is so crucial to Star Wars itself.

And with this post, the thread goes full TFN.

What do you mean?

DuracellEnergizer said: My immediate family aren't even Star Wars fans, so I know they don't know about "Sith".

I was asking about people who aren't fans, so your immediately family is exactly the sort of people who I was asking about.

Anyway, TFN does seem to have delusions about the prequels being as well-known as the OOT. They also called the prequel Jedi robes iconic.

Ryan McAvoy said:

darklordoftech said:

I hate how the prequels made fans think that Star Wars = Jedi vs. Sith.

SW: Jedi trains Jedi to defeat Sith. Sith kills Jedi

ESB: Dead Jedi sends Jedi to see other Jedi so he can battle Sith. Sith spends movie hunting Jedi and has phone call with other Sith

ROTJ: Jedi battles Sith and Sith. Sith dies, Sith becomes Jedi and Jedi waves goodbye to dead Jedi, Jedi and Jedi (And his sister was a Jedi)

A lot of those events weren't the main plot and Obi-Wan trained Luke to destroy the Death Star, not to defeat Vader or Palps, and only in ROTJ is Luke told that he must confront Vader, and althought the screenplays and novelizations called Vader "Dark Lord of the Sith", that was unimportant enough that the word "Sith" is never spoken in the entire OOT.

ratpack1961 said:

You can make a good Star Wars story without Vader (KOTR)

How is KOTOR a Star Wars story? Not a single character from any the movies appears and the story doesn't affect the movies in any way.

I hate how the prequels made fans think that Star Wars = Jedi vs. Sith.

I hate when fans knock down Vader and Palps in order to prop up Revan.

DuracellEnergizer said:

I have virtually no social life off of the Internet, so I can't really comment on the proliferation of "Sith" within the general community.

Ask your relatives and co-workers.

NeverarGreat said:

darklordoftech said:

unamochilla2 said:

Abrams wanted them have to larger roles, so their roles were expanded

In that case, thank you Abrams! Star Wars is Luke and Vader, not these random "new" characters who episodes 7-9 plan to introduce.

Well now that Vader is dead, I guess Star Wars for you is just Luke then?

I'll say this much: KOTOR isn't Star Wars.

skyjedi2005 said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

unamochilla2 said:

New Mark Hamill interview: http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-28475959

Guess he's going to have that Alec Guinness look for the film. :)

 Lizo did well to keep from geeking-out right there, I like that guy. Wow, wow, wow Mark's words were music to me ears "It's really about the new generation of characters... we're just there to lend our support". So hopefully EpVII will just be a little baton pass to a whole new cast of young heroes!

I am hoping Hamill is just saying that to be kind otherwise i will see VII and not the other 2 films.  It seams like a way to trick original fans into thinking the movies will star the original cast in new adventures only to pull the rug out from under them.

The roles for the big 3 but especially for Hamill and Ford better be substantial not walk on cameos like Nimoy Spock.

Exactly how I feel, SkyJedi.

unamochilla2 said:

Abrams wanted them have to larger roles, so their roles were expanded

In that case, thank you Abrams! Star Wars is Luke and Vader, not these random "new" characters who episodes 7-9 plan to introduce.

Tyrphanax said:

darklordoftech said:

Kanan's master is someone who turned to the dark side in the legends EU. Take that, EU!

Eh? Who's his master?

Depa Billaba

Kanan's master is someone who turned to the dark side in the legends EU. Take that, EU!

What I'm looking forward to is finally seeing Vader aquire his ESB rank and learning about the Imperial offiecers in the opening scene of ANH.

KilroyMcFadden said:

Anything but Sith

This can't be repeated enough. In fact, we should create anythingbutsith.com

DuracellEnergizer said:

^I notice they don't call him a Dark Jedi, though, either. I've noticed that with TCW, too, in regard to the non-Sith darksiders on that show.

Frankly, I don't know why the current regime is so reluctant to use the term; they're always going "Well, such-and-such isn't a Sith, but he does use the dark side of the Force and yada yada yada". For God's sake, just say the non-Sith darksiders are Dark Jedi and save yourself the effort of using so many words to say so very little.

Probably because the OT did just fine without any term for darksiders.

Tobar said:

Star Wars Rebels: Meet the Inquisitor, the Empire's Jedi Hunter

So glad that they said that he's not a Sith. Next to the non-release of the OOT, the word "Sith" is perhaps the worst thing to ever happen to Star Wars.

I'm looking forward to the Vader comic. I want to learn about Vader's Stormtrooper legion and the crew of the Star Destroyer from the opening scene of ANH.

moviefreakedmind said: I think with Disney in charge the SE isn't going to disappear, but it's just going to be a bonus feature, maybe even eventually getting phased out and ignored completely.

If Disney does to the SE what Lucas did to the OOT, I would miss the celebrations and music at the end of ROTJ.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Frankly, I wish the powers-that-be would just leave it up to the individual fans to decide for themselves which versions of the films are canon. Forcing "official" versions on everyone is just elitist bullshit that serves only to alienate fans.

As long as which version is canon doesn't affect the spin-offs, episodes 7-9, and the new EU, I agree with you.

If the Sith do appear, I hope that they won't be called "Darth".

I hate how fans gush about EU characters being "new" when in reality they're old characters by another name. How are Revan, Vader, Caedus, and Krayt different besides having different names?

I recall a theory that the Clone Wars were wars fought over the right to clone like the Civil War was fought over slavery.

One thing that the prequels did right is that they didn't have evil clones of good people.

I figured that it was an unimportant conflict besides the fact that Obi-Wan fought in it, the important conflict being the rise of the Empire.