darklordoftech

TV's Frink said: ninetysevensetrilogy.com

let's create that

How would I have done the special editions?

Better lightsabers, no ronto, none of the universally hated changes, keep original colors.

imperialscum said:

TV's Frink said:

You who prefer the 97 SE are in the extreme minority.  There's no reason for Disney to release it because no one will buy it.  Hell, they probably don't even know about it.

I am aware of that. It would be for the sake of completeness.

However making that kind of argument also goes against the release of theatrical versions. Yes there are more people who want the theatrical versions, but still not that many. Looking purely from a financial benefit, it would be more profitable for Disney to spend the money required for restoration into making some stand-alone film or series and get way more money out of it.

Also, aren't the negatives the '97 versions? This means that if anything, the '97 versions would be the easiest to release. Furthermore, unlike with the OOT, there's no variations within the '97 versions.

Hal 9000 said:

There would be fan edits a-plenty

But obtaining fan edits is illegal and requires lots of technical knowledge.

I like that there's no Sith army.

Nihilus is too powerful for my liking. He does things that should require a superweapon.

Maybe there should be a tv show taking place before TPM that shows that while Qui-Gon was with Obi-Wan in TPM, it was Yoda who Obi-Wan recieved most of his training from.

If we don't get the OOT, I'm sure that at least we'll get a version without the most hated changes. Disney has nothing to gain from shoving Hayden, Han shooting second, Jedi Rocks, Vader saying no, etc. down our throats and everything to gain from not doing so.

I wonder what the recent rumors mean for the 1997 versions.

I also wonder if we'll get the OPT (original prequel trilogy).

I wonder which special edition(s) will be available going forward. 97? 04? 11? A new edition?

Carthage said:

Is IG88 really an EU character?

IG-88 being a droid bounty hunter is in ESB. IG-88 killing its creators and plotting a droid revolution is EU.

Harmy said:

darklordoftech said:

Harmy said:

Yeah, that's my biggest concern as well.

I'll be happy if the colors are reasonable and the sunset close-up has a red sky.

 So, are you saying that if the film is DVNRed to shit, you won't mind as long as the colors are reasonable and the sunset close-up has a red sky?

If the colors are bad, we can fix that, quite easily, probably even just with a script that everyone can apply themselves, so as not to infringe copyright unnecessarily. But if the detail is scrubbed by DVNR, there's no getting it back.

Although, I must say that the excessive DVNR in Disney catalog releases seems to be mostly limited to animated films - Mary Poppins for example looks great on BD.

I guess years of color problems and not-red sunsets have worn me down. 

Harmy said:

Yeah, that's my biggest concern as well.

I'll be happy if the colors are reasonable and the sunset close-up has a red sky.

skyjedi2005 said:

Am i the only one who hates the terms youngling, padawan etc.

Nope. Not at all. I always hear "youngling" get made fun of.

Protocol Droid said:

Furthermore, ESB and ROTJ it seem like the Rebellion doesn't know who Yoda is. As Senators in the Republic, the Rebel leaders would know about any Jedi who were prominant in the war.

How could you get this from the two film you mentioned?  What Senators or rebel leaders or anyone in the rebellion mentioned knowing or not knowing Yoda?

At what point in TESB or ROTJ did Yoda present himself to anyone other than Luke, Ben, or R2-D2 for someone to not know whom he was?

If any of the Rebellion leaders knew Yoda, they would have mentioned to Luke that he's a little green creature who talks backwards. Luke wouldn't have been fooled by Yoda's "I'm not Yoda" act on Dagobah.

Nick66 said:

darklordoftech said:

You say that you wouldn't loose sleep over the matte lines'/boxes' absence, but it sure seems like you would loose sleep over their presence.

Actually, I said I'd be fine either way. Same with the crawl.

I guess I misinterpreted you. My bad.

hairy_hen said:

ESB also shows Yoda being a hermit, who meditates and lives peacefully away from civilization.  The prequels show him as essentially a public school teacher for young children, living in the big city.  It's a jarring inconsistency, and it just doesn't feel right.

Furthermore, ESB and ROTJ imply that the Rebellion doesn't know who Yoda is. As Senators in the Republic, the Rebel leaders would know about any Jedi who were prominant in the war.

Nick66 said:  That's apples & oranges. You can't compare the home video market pre-97 to now. People's expectations with regards to home video presentations are much higher.

I doubt that people's expectations include the absence of matte lines/boxes. Matte lines/boxes are part of the movie itself, not part of the home video presentation.

Nick66 said: Not quite sure what you're so angry about? Merely said I wouldn't lose any sleep over them cleaning up the matte lines/boxes.

You say that you wouldn't loose sleep over the matte lines'/boxes' absence, but it sure seems like you would loose sleep over their presence.

Nick66 said:

Trust me, Star Trek fans are. All the time.

Give me one example of a Star Trek fan complaining about a Star Trek movie having matte lines.

Nick66 said:

Fang Zei said:

The same goes for matte lines, which they would not be cleaning up if we're talking a strict restoration here. That was a technological limitation of the time. It's not about making "the vast majority of fans" happy, it's about preserving the films as they were originally presented. 

 I hear you about the matte lines, but assuming they do a complete restoration, the original film will be "preserved" no matter what.  The issue here is making the original versions of the films suitable for home video release. I do think there has to be a balance between what the die hard fans want (and for the record, I'm fine with the matte lines) and what people who just want to watch the film in HD in its original version at home...but with premium home video presentation.  Like with the crawl, I think if we'd just had an HD of the OUT all along but with the matte lines removed, 99% of us would be OK with that.

Again, I'm not necessarily disagreeing with anyone who wants them to just leave well enough alone, but I also understand that Disney might have other considerations when putting this out on home video, and it is a bit of a balancing act.

What is there to gain from removing the matte lines? Nobody complained about them before 97, and if they did, there's always the SE for them to watch.

One thing I do demand is that one of the 1977 sound mixes is included. 

SilverWook said:

That would be like "preserving" the Beatles' catalog as MP3's. Seriously, is there something in the water at Skywalker Ranch?

Skywalker Ranch: Something in the water since 1997.

moviefreakedmind said:

Again, my thinking is that, if they do this, they'll make the blu rays EXACTLY like all the video tapes of the movies, which I'm pretty sure never changed, and most (or all?) of the minor changes before 97 were done before the tapes, or just between the prints in cinemas. That would be the smartest decision, so that way if there's complaining they can just say, "these are the movies that you saw on tape up until '97" and honestly, that's what I want them to do. For example, I've heard that originally Empire didn't have as many shots of rebel ships at the end, but we're ALL used to seeing it the way it was on the tapes, and I honestly wouldn't be heart-broken even if they didn't branch something like that (which they could if they wanted to), same with the title crawl. I'm guessing that if we get a blu ray of the OUT, it'll be the exact same (content-wise) as our old tapes and LD's

1. There were three pre-97 VHS versions. One was released in 1982, another was released in 1985, and the last was released in 1995. They might have used different IPs.

2. We don't know what resolutions the VHS versions exist in or the condition of the IPs.

moviefreakedmind said:

I know, but in Empire for example I believe there were a couple of shots of the rebel fleet added in later prints that were also on the tapes. Is it unacceptable if those are included too?

If thoss shots were in some theatrical prints, their inclusion wouldn't be an issue, but if they were only in home video releases, their inclusion would be unacceptable.

moviefreakedmind said:

I'd be surprised if they take out the New Hope crawl, if they do then it'll make the saga less cohesive

The idea of a cohesive saga has always come off to me as Lucas ocd. When ESB came out, nobody besides Lucas complained about ESB having an episode number and subtitle while Star Wars (1977 film) didn't. When AOTC came about, nobody besides Lucas complained about Morrison not sounding like Wingreen.