darklordoftech

FrederikOlsen said:

Peter Cushing to be digitally recreated in new spin-off Rogue One

I'm not sure whether to call BS or not. The plans to digitally recreate Cushing aren't exactly new. George tried doing the same thing for Episode III. But the bit about Tarkin having "created Darth Vader" has me scratching my head.

Either this is a sham, or Disney are actually going to retcon at least parts of the prequels. It's likely to be the former, but boy do I hope it's the latter...

I'm betting "create Darth Vader" was a mistake. They probably meant "command Darth Vader". Tarkin creating Vader would also retcon ESB and ROTJ ("I don't want to loose you to The Emperor the way I lost Vader," "You won't convert me as you did my father.")

Maybe without George, they've stopped caring what versions the media uses.

unamochilla2 said:

I would say the original ending would be more appropriate in this case since it didn't imply a celebration across the entire galaxy as we know it, unlike the SE ending (especially when Jar Jar shouts "Wesa free!").  As mentioned, the death of Vader, the Emperor and the destruction of the DSII doesn't mean the war was won.  The destruction of the DS didn't stop the Empire, it just pissed them off and they came back badder than ever and defeated the Rebellion.  I see the original ROTJ ending like the SW ending, the Rebels won the battle, but the war wasn't over as evidenced by ESB.  They had a small celebration for their achievements, but then it was back to business.

I doubt the viziers, moffs, and admirals just sat back and watched the celebrations. I'm sure the troops came in and stopped the celebrations at some point.

Tobar said:

Eh, I wouldn't get your hopes up. They recently started to expand on Kaiburr crystals in the canon. They've become pretty much just lightsaber crystals. In fact, the Death Stars actually use Kaiburr crystals to generate their blasts.

There's nothing in the canon to suggest that they lack mysticism. In fact, that they're both lightsabers crystals and Death Star beam generators suggests magical properties to me.

ZkinandBonez said: But it's not exactly like Abrams is screwing over the lore by giving Luke a Ben Kenobi-style robe rather than a black uniform.

I never said that no black uniform = screwing over the lore. In fact, I never said anything about the black uniform. I'd be good with the Jedi not having any uniform.

No matter what Luke's ROTJ clothing was or wasn't meant to be, what Obi-Wan wears in Star Wars (1977) definitely wasn't meant to be a Jedi uniform. What Obi-Wan wears in Star Wars (1977) isn't what commoners across the galaxy wear, it's just what Tatooine moisture farmers wear. Look at the commoners on other planets if you don't believe me.

ZkinandBonez said:

unamochilla2 said:

ZkinandBonez said:

unamochilla2 said:

rpvee said:

So is "Ren" the new "Sith"?  I hope that wasn't to avoid using the term Sith, since the name did exist long before the prequels.

Hm...

Kylo Ren isn't his real name, but rather a title. He also isn’t a Sith. He’s a member of an organization known as “The Knights Of Ren" and he is allied with the First Order.  Also, his lightsaber isn't a relic - it is something he put together himself.

While the term "Sith" did exist before the PT, I don't believe it was formally used in the OT.  It seems like TFA is going back to the roots of the series.

Although the word Sith was never specifically used in the actual moved, it was a part of the official canon back when they were making the movies.
    "Two metres tall. Bipedal. Flowing black robes trailing from the figure and a face forever masked by a functional if bizarre black metal breath screen - a Dark Lord of the Sith was an awesome, threatening shape as it strode through the corridors of the rebel ship."
- p. 11 of the SW novelization from 1976.      
    "Towering above them in his black cloak and concealing black headgear, Darth Vader, Dark Lord of the Sith, entered the main control deck, and the men around him fell silent." 
- p. 42 of the ESB novelization from 1980.
    "...and finally Darth Vader, Lord of the Sith, emerged from the void."
- p. 4 of the ROTJ novelization in 1983.

This is how Vader was introduced in all of the three original novelizations. Always a variation of the same phrase; "Dark Lord of the Sith."

 Did the novels ever go into any detail about the Sith?

Not that I can remember, and frankly I'm too lazy to re-read the three novels again just to find out. 
I literally just scanned the first chapters, looking for the word Sith, and wrote them down. It's been a few years since I read them.
However, from what I remember, the answer is no, I can only remember the term being used in relation to Vader and his "dark" ways. The ESB book definitely gave Vader some very dramatic descriptions, always describing him as a "Dark Lord" and even making a reference to him trying to steal Luke's soul during their fight on Bespin.
However scanning through the end of the ROTJ novel I can't find any references to Palpatine being a Sith. He is however referred to as "the evil one," and the novel gives him some pretty funky descriptions, such as; "his dark majesty," talking about his "wizardry," and describing his face as having "death's grin" and being "lined by holocaust." So the book is definitely trying to sell the character as a sort of tyrannical evil wizard.

When the OT movies and their novelizations were released, I figured that "the Sith" was Vader's Stormtrooper legion, and that Vader, being this legion's leader, was its "Dark Lord." Just like a "Grand Moff" was an Imperial Governor, a "Dark Lord" was an Imperial General. I definitely wasn't expecting "the Sith" to be a two-man dark jedi space illuminati organization who's members backstab each other for no reason. I thought that Vader and The Emperor being the only dark side users was because they weren't part of any order of Force-users, not because of some Rule of Two. I thought that Vader and The Emperor plotting against each other was just because of their personalities, not because of some ancient tradition. 

Here's hoping that the Knights of Ren don't backstab each other. 

unamochilla2 said:

I'm surprised they didn't use Boba Fett on the ESB cover.

That there's no Fetts on the covers is the best part. What I'm absolutely baffled by is how in the world Grevious ended up on a cover.

Let's see how well this sells. Are steelbooks really going to make people rebuy 6 movies?

TV's Frink said:

Isn't there a different thread devoted to what you don't want?  We've heard it a million times.

Nope and no you haven't. Practical effects, on the other hand...

I don't want to see Force Lightning in episodes 7-9. Between Palpatine, Dooku, and the EU, I've seen enough Force Lightning for a lifetime.

ben_danger said:

Tobar said:

All you need is the Classic Star Wars collection.

 Maybe its mw just being grown up - but the classic MARVEL and the Daily strips are really enjoyable to read. It might be the throw-away absurdity of some of it, or just how it resonates with the era of the OT.

darklordoftech said:

- Golden Age of the Sith and Fall of the Sith Empire would have been true to what was established in Dark Lords of the Sith

- no Sith poison

- no Sith amulets

- Luke wouldn't turn dark

- Dark Empire would take place immediately after ROTJ

- Dark Empire II and Empire's End wouldn't exist

- Legacy wouldn't exist

 Tales of the Jedi is great - I always loved the idea of a Sith species, that gradually became an secular organisation.

If you were to consider changing the comic adaptations of the films - ie alter some crucial plot elements for a better plotline overall - what would you change? And think Radically - this might be a whole new approach to the story.

Would the Emperor in fact be an ancient Sith survivor, perhaps even be Naga Sadow (or make Naga Sadow Palpatine) - art could easily be recoloured/altered. Would he survive the DSII, and actually die in Dark Empire?

Could Leia NOT be Luke's sister - could you rework another character (perhaps a non-romantic Mara Jade or Lumiya fill this role?)

Perhaps Luke could spend more time with Ben Kenobi? Maybe Anakin's story could be retold?

I've definitely given thought to The Emperor being ancient. He could be the power behind the throne of all the Sith, the Dark Jedi who started the Great Schism, the creator of the Sith species, or all of the above.

Veitch initially wanted to write about the Great Jedi Purge. It would have involved Obi-Wan among a group of Jedi, with the rest of the group getting wiped out throughout series and ending with Obi-Wan moving into his hut. Seeing that concept would be interesting.

- No Force Lightning for Dooku. Dooku using Force Lightning turned a unique ability of The Emperor into a generic dark side power.

- More screentime for Palpatine in AOTC. A lot of time that Anakin spent with Padme he could have spent with Palpatine instead.

- Golden Age of the Sith and Fall of the Sith Empire would have been true to what was established in Dark Lords of the Sith

- no Sith poison

- no Sith amulets

- Luke wouldn't turn dark

- Dark Empire would take place immediately after ROTJ

- Dark Empire II and Empire's End wouldn't exist

- Legacy wouldn't exist

Darth Id said:

George's original conception was that the evil Empire was more or less timeless, and the whole Star Wars universe was based on the for-all-intents eternal struggle of the forces of good against the Empire.

I don't think there is anything in Star Wars, ESB or even ROTJ that necessarily contradicts this.  Ben's yearning reference to a time "before the dark time, before the Empire" could be a reference to something extremely ancient and remote.  There's no reason it wasn't 200 or even a thousand years before the events of SW, and Ben was the last of a long dwindlage of torch-bearers.

In that case, how old was Ben supposed to be? 

Also, according to http://boards.theforce.net/threads/dark-empire-article-series-in-insider.50032523, Veitch initially wanted to write a comic about the Great Jedi Purge, and when Lucas rejected that, Veitch wrote Dark Empire instead.

Hooterdear said:

My main question, I guess, is why they have exclusively chosen fresh faces.

Because they want to try new things, push boundaries, explore new aspects of the universe, take risks, etc. If you want tried and true, watch TFA.

I'd love if the general who chats with Vader on the Tantive is the main villain of this. He seems to be in command of the 501st, who can actually shoot.

I look forward to seeing General Hux. After 38 years of Vader-like characters, Stormtrooper-like soldiers, and Fett-like characters, it's about time that we get a Tarkin-like character.

SilverWook said:

Disney has released edgier fare for decades under other studio labels, Touchstone, Hollywood Pictures, etc. (Who Framed Roger Rabbit? has always been a Touchstone film, even though Roger has a presence in the theme parks.)  They don't have to put the Disney label on the Star Wars films any more than they do Marvel.

However: http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/disney-bans-smoking-in-all-future-films-including-star-wars-and-marvel-comics-10107312.html

NeverarGreat said:

darklordoftech said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

those airtubes which don't seem to serve any purpose

TIE Fighter pilots in the OOT also have airtubes.

The difference being that those airtubes are connected to an airtight spacesuit instead of to...the side of his face? Does he have little auxiliary mouths on either side of his main mouth for air? Is he an aquatic creature with gills? It could work I guess, it just seems kind of awkward.

But Duracell was asking what the purpose of the tubes is, not how Cad inserted them into his face. 

DuracellEnergizer said:

those airtubes which don't seem to serve any purpose

TIE Fighter pilots in the OOT also have airtubes.

The New Republic. The Old Republic became the very Empire that the Rebels are fighting against (ths is implied by Tarkin's "last remnants of the Old Republic" line), so another galactic government should be the last thing that the Rebels want.

http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-shattered-empire/

This will be our first insight into the post-ROTJ galaxy. I like the synopsis.

Harrold Andraste said:

darklordoftech said:

Harrold Andraste said:

I've read the first two issues of Tales of the Jedi (the introductory mini-series is called Golden Age of the Sith).

Pretty good so far. I know Anderson gets a lot of flack, but I'm no sure why yet. Here's rooting for Jori and Gav!

KJA gets a lot of flack for his stuff that's set during the movies and/or after ROTJ, but his ancient galactic history stuff is a different story. He created a lot of the history of the Republic, Jedi, Sith, Mandalorians, etc. Let me know when you're introduced to the Sith in the comics you're reading.

 

Oh, I get it now. Thanks for explaining.

Here ya go! I'm done with GAoTS and The Fall of the Sith Empire.

The drama between Ludo Kressh and Naga Sadow was Sith-like in the usual sense (struggles for dominance through treachery and political coups), while handled more intelligently than I would've predicted.

Both had good points. Ludo wanted to keep the Sith Empire pretty much as it was. Why not? It had worked so well for so long. They had plenty of planets, wealth, slaves, a functioning caste system. Naga thought maybe that could lead to societal stagnation and eventual collapse of the Empire... but he made the mistake of over-reaching when he assaulted the Republic.

On a meta level, their culture is heavily informed by Ancient Egypt. That's fitting, because of the Sith views on superiority, magic, and the afterlife.

I felt like here the Sith and the Republic are both legitimate civilizations, even if the Sith are more barbaric and dishonest. Both have citizens, a culture, etc. In other stories, the Sith are often just a group of people who feel like being evil for no reason.

The Sith Empire does indeed bring ancient Egypt to mind, with the Dark Lords of the Sith being Pharoahs and Korriban being Giza. We see more of this in the Dark Lords of the Sith portion of Tales of the Jedi.

Moraband in TCW is truer to Korriban in TOTJ than the majority of depictions of Korriban. In TOTJ, Korriban is a dangerous place full of traps, monsters, and spirits, but in KOTOR and SWTOR Korriban is just a barren rock. If you ask me, this is far more important than whether it's called Moraband or Korriban.